LeRoy webmaster@backninewebdesign.com
 

I want to emphasize the word POSSIBLE

But I am now not sure what to think

I honestly believe our friend Leroy is setting up a dummy multi account as at least Ergon...and I admit there may be a valid explanation (I hope so)

I posted in two threads that he would get emails about...and HE CAME TO THE BOARDS

I PM'd him, and he ignored it

When this supposed new submitter EGON posted 2 threads Leroy was there immediately to welcome him.

But amazingly Ergons site is REGISTERED to LEROY!

Now there may be explanations to this, and Leroy had ample time to make a comment...which he deemed not to do...and that is his right

BUT

I honestly believe he may be setting up +rookie+ accounts to get to submit more (fuck he barely submits now)

I may be wrong in this...and hope I am...BUT HE HAS NOT RESPONDED AT ALL...so I banned him

Fuck all 6 of my sites don't generate enough traffic to impact him...but some of yours do...so thus this post

I refer you to the following threads

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=61044

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=61043

Dude. I'm sorry this looks like this,

Egon is not me. He's my friend who I am helping.

PM me your phone # and I'll have him call you direct. I'll call you also to take care of this,

You guys are my friends. I wouldnt cheat you guys.

It's possible so you banned me? I don't check this forum all the time so I missed the posts.

You're right, there is a valid explanation. Leroy is a friend of mine and he is helping me learn the ropes -- as I have said before I am a noob. Leroy is kind enough to show me how all of this works and gave me one of his domains for starters which he is transferring to my name soon. If you want, we can talk on the phone as proof. PM me your number.

He recommended I come to this site as I was still learning the basics of the 4-page freesite format. When I registered here, he saw my post and wrote me a quick welcome.

I think we just need to cool off for a bit. These are heavy and serious accusations, the kind that can erase what traces of chances might be there for a person. This is a business and I would like to think we are all professionals. Like I said, we can talk on the phone if you want proof.

I wish I can understand the logic behind all of this. Assume for one moment that your worst fears (quoted above) were true, did it really warrant sullying our usernames' reputations on the internet without better due diligence?

I hope that if you are wrong, you will go to the threads wherein you insinuated that Leroy and I are colluding somehow and exonerate our names.

And it certainly negatively impacts the reputation of a newbie like myself. I don't want to get into an argument or an altercation. If you want to ban me, as site owner, that is your prerogative. But I hope that you will put an equal or greater amount of effort clearing our names as you have insinuating we are guilty of collusion when we truly are not because this damage is going to be immortalized on the internet.

Egon

Meatpounder,

Why didn't you email me? My email is in my sig. Or even try to AIM/ICQ me? You know that while GG is a great forum, there are others out there wherein I spend most of my time. And if I don't respond to your question for a few days, it's because I am juggling other pressing matters. This thread is now on this forum with my name, and my friend's name whose only crime was to help a friend.

If you were going to ban anyone, ban me. But Leroy has put a long time establishing a reputation of honest integrity, and he has done nothing wrong.

My guess is GG admins won't delete this thread from this forum for any amount of begging. Its title is Possible Cheaters...and the subject is his name and email address. This is downright unprofessional.

Egon

Unprofessional? I think Meatpounder did this in a VERY professional manner.

...and we don't delete threads.

So how do we resolve this?

Obviously I'm not cheating.

I'm only doing what I've been taught here. That's to help people.

Look at the ref codes, look at the designs, looks in your access logs.

I have never hid anything, lied to anyone. Funny how helping someone submit freesites turns into me being thought of as a cheater.

Greenie, with all due respect, can you please tell us how this is VERY professional?

This is unprofessional for these reasons:

1. Meatpounder did not try to contact me even though my sig had my ICQ and email address.
2. What Meatpounder deemed plenty of time to respond to his thread, was only plenty of time for him -- hardly fair, considering my contact information was in plain view the entire time.
3. Meatpounder has made grave accusations of someone who has been nothing but an upstanding netizen of this forum and countless others. Furthermore, it is quite clear Meatpounder is incorrect and have permanently branded us so.
4. Given those three mistakes, this thread will not be deleted thereby tarnishing Leroy's reputation by only trying to help me. I don't know what I can tell you to prove that Leroy and I are two different people. But this post, with its subject, and with the forum's title bands both of us untrustworthy when we simply have not done anything wrong.
5. How about if you were in my shoes? If you were a beginner trying to learn how this whole thing works and suddenly you're wrongfully branded a cheater, and it's not like there's a lot of volume in this forum to wash us away with time... we are the only ones here thus underscoring the graveness of the issue.
6. What does this tell us about GG forums? When something is clearly wrong and harmful to its members it will not be rectified?

So who really got cheated in this exchange? Meatpounder who was only too trigger-happy to write us off as cheaters without giving it an honest try to prove otherwise and in the grand scheme of things lost only time by partially researching internet whois databases but keeps his untarnished reputation? Or an upstanding netizen like Leroy who's good deed true to the old saying never went unpunished will have his record tarnished by actually having done nothing but try to help a novice like me earn a second income for him and his family?

Greenie, I hope you will read this with an open-mind and try to see it from our side. This is unfair and the only people being cheated here are Leroy and me. Where is Meatpounder in all of this?

Egon

This is as professional as cops taking you to jail because someone said you stole a nickel. And after having proved that nothing was stolen at all, they still keep you in jail.

first off I respect everyone in this thread and like/trust/friends and I been sorta watching who was goona say or do next and what

no meat this didnt happen because we all know his submit habits and it doesnt add up, if the tube domain was bought around the same time as egonspengler3 came around...

then we can assume he did 2 things, picked that for his buddy to build on to help the root for se traffic and promote the tube

or maybe he thought having a tube and building free sites off it was dirty on a mostly LL board and us LL people hate tubes and they did help in a big way kill off a chunk of our money and he made up his buddy

or then again he told his buddy I'll buy a domain host it and you start the process of aging it and building links and I get all the sales from the tube and you keep the sales from the free sites

also whats strange is his free sites he posted look like he is learning on building and take the root it has a tube with pages

did he cheat us or do anything wrong?

Actions Taken:
1. I have articulated as best as I could the circumstances behind all of this.
2. My request to delete this thread was vetoed by Greenie before I can even ask.
3. I have replied to the threads begun by Meatpounder asking him for a phone number to prove to him we are two different people.
4. I have emailed Meatpounder and cc'd Leroy directly asking him exactly what proof he wants.

What's the next step from here?

Egon

Egon - you're new, so you don't really know what one of these "cheater" topics looks like. 99.44% of them are vicious.

This was by far the most polite possible cheater thread I've ever seen :D

As far as resolving it, if Meatpounder says he's happy, then everyone else will follow.

PS - Leroy PM'd me asking me to delete this thread, so I wasn't being proactive, I was just stating policy.

Egon, I must say your appearance on this board didn't go by unnoticed. When I joined the board 8 years ago nobody paid any attention to me. You go boy! :D

This thread is fucking bull shit and you know it. Greenie!

I'm not getting any response from Meatpounder. I cant sleep this is way fucked up. I cant fucking believe its gone this far.

Fuck man WTF? I'm nothing but nice to everyone here.

Someone PM their phone # and we'll settle this.

This wasn't a really believable cheater thread to begin with.

I just PM you Meatpounder. my cell

Call me man. Its 24 hours and you need to call me now!!!!

asshole!

I'm not so sure this is a good thing. If no one noticed, this wouldn't have gone this far. But too bad one person noticed too much and it got out of hand fast.

At least the subject should be changed to "Meatpounder Wrongfully Accuses Leroy of Cheating".

Egon

Respectfully, the degrees of vitriol in these topics is irrelevant. The real issue here is Leroy is being wrongfully accused and he's gotten branded with circumstantial intel -- that I hope at this point shows that we are two different people.

Uhm, thank you? So, politely, can we please delete this thread because the title of it along with the forum is deleterious to Leroy's long-standing reputation.

What does that mean? Do you think a casual reader will read through the entire thread everytime? My guess is 99.999999999% of visitors will read only the subject and move on.

Unconditional application of policy, especially when it is causing harm to a person's years of proven track record does not make sense. That's almost like saying, there's a guy wielding a sharp ginsu knife in my face clearly with the intent to kill me, but because my policy is never to kill anyone, I will put down the machine gun in my hand that might save my life.

Greenie, I implore you to consider using the delete button on this entire thread. This is serious damage:

1. To Leroy's reputation.
2. To mine, but who cares about that...
3. To the integrity of this forum as one that knows the difference between right and wrong and its willingness to protect its members. Especially after having determined that Leroy and I are two different people.

If this thread stays, it says about Green Guy and Jim forums that, we don't care about right and wrong. We're all about quantity... who the fuck gives a shit about quality? Furthermore, Meatpounder only gets an unwritten sign of approval, "yes... it's great what you're doing... slander all our members. Even if you're wrong which in this case you are, you still win!"

Egon

Unbelievable! I know Meatpounder is watching this thread. Between last night and now, that jerk off bought privacy for his domains so now the whois database no longer shows his info.

Problem is he's not that slick.

Egon

A little up front disclosure would have prevented this whole mess.

just my 2¢, FWIW.

Sure I'll disclose everything you need to know.

Ask me, call me, email me.

At least give me the decency to reply! There was only a few hours from the email from meat. His email was:

"I cannot believe you just did that"

I didnt even know what he was talking about and I Jokingly replied:

"Sorry bout that Send me the ban hammer"

Now this. jesus fucking christ Meatpounder. I know your'e lurking and you just bought privacy on your domain since yesterday,

Are you hiding from this now?

I think you missed my point. Letting everyone know up front that Egon was a friend that you were helping get started, that you'd set up the domain for him in your name, etc. would have answered all the questions before anyone had a reason to ask.

You had to know that LL owners were going to check the WHOIS, that's standard procedure.

At this point I think everyone is satisfied with the explanation, except for you and Egon, who still have a mad on about being asked about it all.

Toby please understand that Leroy is urging me to cool it and let this go. I'm the only one with a "mad on" now. We are not missing any point here... rather it appears everyone else is.

The problem is the title of this thread, and the title of this forum. Most people will read only those two pieces, and rarely delve into the entire thread. This damages Leroy's reputation which he has built for years.

There was no onus on Leroy to disclose anything ahead of time. Rather, it would have been his if he had been asked. In this case, he was, but wasn't given enough time to respond. I take this very seriously because it almost feels like a friend took a bullet for me, and for what? For nothing.

And that chicken shit meatpounder is watching this whole thing unfold and is choosing to cower in silence. And why suddenly does meatpounder need to hide his info? What is he afraid of? Toby, justice has not been served.

Egon

You have a point Toby.. I hope to bring more people. So i'll shout from the fucking roooftops!

Since he posted we have nothing from him.

So where the hell is Meatpounder?

JMO

Egon: Stop responding for you are doing yourself more damage then good. Attacking the owner of a board on how he runs "his" board is no way to smooth things out.

LeRoy: I don't think you cheated. But its understandable that MeatPounder question this. As Toby pointed out info up front would have been helpful either way.

edit: Once the dust settles you could kindly ask Greenie to move this thread from the cheaters section to the general section. Not sure if he will but you can ask.

Yah I know there was questions that needed to be answered.

Ask me then. I'm here every day! Weekends too.

Yesterday was the one day I was not online for 6 hours.

Now Meatpounder hasnt done anything to contact me or come in her with proof.

Just a "possible"

Dude just let it go.

MeatPounder came here and asked, very politely. Question was answered. Nothing else to discuss.

Are you referring to this politeness?

Surely you jest.

Egon

You are taking stuff out of context. How about these parts.

Now can we all just get along.

Lets just drop this bro. We wasted a whole day now going on two days.

Meatpounder will come in here and make it right.

He has the ball in his court now.

Dont post in this thread anymore. just wasting time and energy.

Hi

I believe the explanation.

By suspicious email address Egon, I specifically mean the open dns masking using ath.cx subdomain

And I did not need to go through the captcha to see your email for as you know I was already emailing back and forth with you about changes to your sites (BTW...just an aside I hate captchas and the only one I ever bother to do is at ticketmaster...and only because I have to)
Not worth any further comment on it's own, but enough to raise a flag in my mind.

Then finding you were submitting from a domain you did not own, but in fact a domain of another submitter....another flag

That other submitter immediately welcoming you but not mentioning he was directly assisiting you (heck that said in advance would actually have helped you)

With the anonminity of the internet it is quite common for people to create multiple identities...heck they even post back and forth to each other as two completely different people in conversations trying to give weight to their supposed individuality (not saying this is the case here...just saying it was a third flag)...heck it has happened multiple times on this board alone.

So I did not start a new thread at first but definately questioned what was going on in your two existing threads where I was sure you both would notice.

So I waited.

I then see Leroy on the board and figure good this will be explained...when no response occured I even posted Leroy was on the boards to bring the thread to the forefront to catch his attention...and even pm'd him my concerns so he would get email notice before the midnite thread digest update.

When there was still no response, I escalated it to a "possible" cheaters thread...and rejected and banned to catch you guys attention.

THEN I got a response.

I will accept both your statements about what happened...Leroy if you choose to continue to submit to me that is fine.

Quite honestly Ergon, do not bother submitting to my sites anymore...sorry but that is how I feel

Meat

I missed the comment about privacy...I do not have privacy on any of my domains



Edit to this...Leroy do not bother to submit to me either going forth

That's fine by me. Although, I would like to request a small favor: if you could edit the title of the first thread so the focus isn't completely on Leroy's name and email address, that would be great. Outside of that, I would be quite delighted if we severed ties here. Thanks for exonerating my friend.

Respectfully,

Egon

Thanks for coming in here. I never avoided you nor ignored you. Your email was so vague and had only one sentence.

I do have to take some of the blame for Egon. Its not his fault that I didnt tell everyone whats up. My bad.

But still putting my name in the the subject line of this forum could have waited until you heard from me.

I hope Greenie gives you a courtesy reach around for this great drama!

BTW I never removed your links but I have been a little upset over the last 12 hours because I have'nt gotten any replies. I hope you understand.

So we cool now?

I cannot edit threads past the (10minute?) threshhold...and again I have never used domain privacy adult or mainstream

Asshole? Nice.

Ask anyone - I have been EXTREMELY polite in this thread compared to other similar situations.

The board has been here for almost 9 years & not once have we deleted a thread (with the exception of those auto-posting spam-bots) This policy should change now?

Hell, people have called me a cheater on here MANY times & those threads are still active for all to see.

Now, I could really give 2 shits about Leroy or Egon - I don't need this fucking aggravation.

Pounding his meat?

I agree. I highly doubt that LeRoy is a cheater, and with today's lightened rules and multiple submission allowances, why would any bother cheating in this manner? Much ado about nothing.

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