Is it me or does TGP traffic suck?
 

I have 2 listings on the hun, several on thumbzilla and other big tgps sites, and yes, I get pounded with traffic but it converts like shit.

I do better than 1 in 100 from every other traffic source so I know it isn't that the site is terrible.

I even stopped using galleries to promote my own site and have galleries now only promoting maxcahs sites, barely legal, iteens, ARS sites and still the same #'s.

Is this a HUGE waste of time? I know tgp surfers are the cheap fucks online looking for free peeks, but is the # of them without credit cards or the willingness to use them multiplying like fucking crazy or what?

Thanks for any feed back or answers to my issues

Yes TGP traffic sucks. :(

I find myself doing less and less of it each month.

Traffic is traffic. It's what you offer and how you offer it that makes a difference. The same surfers who use search engines also use tgps; you just have to wade through more shit to find them. Over the past six months I've averaged 1:179 with tgp traffic. You either have to figure out how to make it work for you, or how to make it work again for you.

I don't think TGP surfers are always "cheap" or non-buyers... I think they buy less often mostly because of the way the content is presented.

Also, for any TGP or links style site... the easier it is to surf, the lower the $$ return per listed gallery/site will always be. A clean site will find it easier to send more traffic volume to offset this of course.

1:100 (or at least good $ returns per gallery) might be achievable from the primo TGP spots.... But regular submitters can't really expect to see great ratios selling the same ARS site a surfer has seen on 5 other galleries before seeing yours... no matter how good your sites are or how many clicks they attract... the top listed sites will still get the majority of all the sales per day.

I imagine the biggest reason for diminishing returns is more people working TGPs than ever before... and more TGPs having hosted galleries and private deals filling all of their most productive link positions.

Depends on type of TGP too
 

I've found the quality of TGP traffic varies. For me, traffic from indexed and even searchable TGP's converts better than when all the categories are mixed together in a big list.
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I think it all depends on what your promoting at your galleries, have something they have never seen will convert better then something they see all day. i had last week 3 galleries at the hun they did good but i dont promoot the normal niches.

I agree. Tight niches like shemales, hairy, etc. convert alot better at any of the TGP's including the Hun or similar ones.

Funny you should mention shemales. I get about 200 shemale galleries a day. Quite a few hairy as well. Scary a fuck!!

It doesn't matter what niche you push though. It's how you package the niche and how you sell it.

I don't get a lot of hairy shemales, but I do get a lot of the shaven ones.

I'm am drowning in mature versus young and pantyhose.

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That's interesting. I wonder if LL & TGP owners can shift the tide of submissions by posting a few "Busty Asians Convert Best!" threads.

LOL Thing is, it's even worse reviewing this shit when you're a guy. I'm looking at chicks with baby arms clutching ripe apples all day. I don't care who you are, that totally screws your ego. I keep telling myself, well it's only the first 4 inches inside that are supposed to be sensitive...then I get worried wondering how the fuck I'm gonna get those last 2 inches |conehead|

Yep mature and guy in pantyhose i see most of the days submitted at my lls, where are the babes, the asians, ebony etc etc.|sad|

asians . . . humana humana sexiest women on earth

A long time friend of mine who happens to be a shemale bought a house just 3 miles north of where I live so now after a long day of building web sites and reviewing nasty galleries I can go relax at her pool and interact with a whole herd of trannies. :D

What is normal… Anyone who is decent to hang out with and is a nice person, but I still have a hard time getting use to see a beautiful woman in a bikini who's bottom half has a large package that keeps on popping out of her bikini. ;)

Cams are being installed in her house and affiliate program is forth coming. :D

You're the only webmaster I know who's life offline is crazier than on! LOL No offence, I've just never been to a shemale pool party before :D

FYI...these are available :

www.cleostrannys.com
www.cleoknowsachickwithadick.com
www.cleosshemales.com
and my personals favorite,
www.cleosfriend.tv

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How about just www.foxyangel.com Don't join the affiliate program that is there now as something better will be online in a few weeks. :D

WTF! I thought you were kidding about the aff! She's hotttttttttttt. God does that mean I'm gay? Bi? I wouldn't suck her dick, but no tellin what I else I might do :D

Let us know when the aff proggy is ready. I like the personal sites, they always convert best.

I would do her, but after all these years she still says that she doesn't like fish. :D

Luna is going to start doing her web work and Urb is designing a new tour for her. I'm going biking this afternoon so maybe I'll bike over to her place and shoot some teaser pics…

I'm just adding that picture to the active desktop in my brain . . . :D

Tell her Kristian says hi and that he'll send 100 signups a week if she gets it on with you and Luna! . . . and it's properly documented of course!

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I;ve got to get some new friends. All your friends are hot...well, except urb :D

TGP traffic sucks if you're using oversaturated sponsors.

Just to be clear....
 

I don't use their galleries at all. I use my own content or bought content from people whom I know don't sell much of. I just use their banners or my own text links.

I am not using saturated content at all.

I am converting hun traffic to barely legal at 1 in 900 which isn't bad but it was 1 in 30,000 until i got a flurry of joins last night and this morning.

Thanks for the feedback and I am planning on making some niche galleries.

again, thanks

http://mariahxxx.net

MARIAH|zzzzzzzzz

what like nasty dollars? :D

Re: Just to be clear....
 

I notice you got some good advice on gfy with this question as well. Yeah niche galleries are good :)

Yes, they suk. Leave them for me. :D

Re: Is it me or does TGP traffic suck?
 

1 in 100? Good results. But in almost all cases you will see close to 10x the short term traffic to your galleries then you will to your free sites. If you have the server/bw you should be able to see good results without it costing you much more.

If you submit to a large number of tgps, say 50 using a mix of big and medium sites plus the niche sites too which is important I'd bet if you made 30 galleries and you made 30 free sites they would be failrly close in sales with TGP sales being higher but using more bandwidth. Of course the ratios wouldn't even be close but isn't making money the bottom line and not ratios?

Of course there are so many variables nowadays with TGPs too on saturation of the paysite you promote and the gallery design.

I would say that too much free content is also hurting conversions. The surfer has no incentive to buy when you give them everything they want before they get to whip out their cc.

a new reality
 

well, today there is a new reality the golden days are almost over. i submit on tons of tgps very few generate regular sign ups.
you have to know what is converting on wich tgp. the work is a little bit diufferent than before. before even a crappy gallery convert on almost every tgp, now you have to work harder and have your head in your stats, study the traffic/conversion of every tgp you submit in buy spots etc.
but the fact is that the most traffic you get, the most chances you have to convert.

Re: a new reality
 

Very true.
And also true that the overall traffic is bad as more tgps open daily offering free stuff. Gotta know what is converting and what is not. It's a touch thing to do daily!

i generally convert tgp traffic between 1:150 and 1:400. i always make at least 5 sales from the hun on day one, but usually more. on some revshare programs where sales don't start out golden, the money with rebills makes up for it. also permanant galleries continue to send sales forever.

one thing i notice is that tgp advertising is in constant evolution. change to what you do is neccesary on a regular basis. another thing is if you are advertising a well-known site, that ratio will get a LOT worse. i never advertise a site unless it either offers exclusive content or a nice design - not full of flash, but just a design that represents its niche. and i won't promote a site that doesn't have text accurately representing the niche.

so no fat girl with food all over it sites. no mature sites with 30 year old women on them. no twink sites with obviously queenie or hairy guys. and so on.

and last, i use good quality content where at least 12 out of 15 pics clearly represent what i am selling. for example, if i'm selling a big dick solo site, i make sure that dick is showing AND looking big in a minimum of 12 pics. some people use 10 dressed pics and 5 naked for stuff like this, but for hairy pussy, uncut cock, big dick, etc, i show what the surfer wanted to see. they click an average of two pics and then click a link.

I got three galleries listed at the hun. But just 2 sales. I think its because of my poor selling skills.|sad|
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Don't be so quick to knock yourself. One thing no one has mentioned here is how to effictively convert hun traffic. It's not like a normal tgp or mass traffic coming from multiple tgp sources. His surfers are very experienced porn surfers. To do really well, you should be promoting something new (preferably), using decent content, and go for a basic design that's quick loading, nothing flashy. It's content that sells, especially on the hun. :)

i have a friend whose galleries don't sell shit as a rule, but his last gallery on the hun did 5 sales.

over a three day period, mine do anywhere from 8 to 12, generally. i know people who do 20 or more sales on the hun, but i post micro niches.

It's a total bitch that the hun's closing submissions in august. Guess all good things must come to an end though. Wonder how much he'll make off his own hosted galleries, huh?? :(

REALLY ? But he's closing forever ?
what a shamee :(

Nah, not really. Just kidding :D

Damn these jokes :) I was kinda freaked out , then i made a search on "thehun closing submissions" found nothing, went to his page found nothing ...

btw. you're changing your avatars pretty fast , I liked your last one better though :)

LOLZ Damn, I'm sorry about that! I was going to let it carry on all day, then I thought that kind of thing might happen. |couch|

Thanks for noticing the av :) It kinda depends on my mood what I like to use. This ones a bit freaky, but I think I need something truly offensive. Maybe I'll use BUSH next :D Better yet, Tony Blair!

RE : "Better yet, Tony Blair!" Naa, despite his efforts to be loved everywhere, Blair would not be recognized by most non-British surfers.


(P.S. - What is the difference between God and Tony Blair

Answer - God is everywhere, but Blair is everywhere except Britain)

Thats the key to sales on tgps in my opinion - have a micro niche, know everything there is to know about it so you can sell it, and don't waste time submitting it to TGPs that send babe traffic is you have a micro niche that has nothing to do with babes :)

The Hun is fantastic with those niches - agreed - the other TGPs are great for other purposes - of course the root benefit is getting targetted traffic into your system - and then presenting targets for them.

In marz i had an gallerie at the hun which gave me 22 sales in one day, it was squirting gallery, i use humor and good pics, if i get on the hun i get sales, could be from one to 25 it all depends which niche and how you set up your gallery, i am not a tgp expert, i started the net with free sites and now i got alot of other stuff , what i have notice is i am good in strange things and strange things people like that, so i just try.....and others should do the same, lately i do more tgp then free sites, why, because tgp is easy made then free sites, i can nag days on the colors and text fot free sites, and i dont have much time to build free sites.