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XPorn 2004-07-15 01:58 PM

Look at this ASS
 
Check out the source code of this site. He appears on yahoo #1 for freesitexxx.com So I took at look at his site......he has all LLs in hidden text and thuis is pimpin yahoo traffic..

http://www.freesexcontents.com/

dickhead.


XPorn

Cleo 2004-07-15 02:13 PM

He sure does right below the counter. :(

Fucking asshole.

Linkster 2004-07-15 04:46 PM

Shouldnt be too hard to get them taken down since theyre on revsharehosting - seems a sponsor might see things like that as not good biz practices - BTW the email for the owner of the domain is vinhdt@ureach.com
Registrant:
Trademark USA
5325 Elkhorn Blvd 8207
Sacramento, California 95842
United States

DangerDave 2004-07-15 04:53 PM

Yeah were are those revsharehosting bosses now!

Report him

here - search your doamin at Yahoo - http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UT...reesitexxx.com - then use the feedback link at the bottom of the page

and here - http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

and maybe some people should review their link policies - http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...tents%2Ecom%2F

I love it when people directly infringe my US trademark... it makes it so easy |angry|

DD

DangerDave 2004-07-15 05:07 PM

Same bullshit here too - http://www.sexporn4free.com/

DangerDave 2004-07-15 05:11 PM

Boardtracker.... do your stuff.. :D

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plateman 2004-07-15 05:26 PM

Quote:

Yeah were are those revsharehosting bosses now!

Yeah They even used my LL - Fucken assholes, some of these people need hunted down and a plain old fashion beat the fuck out of them should be the order..

And those revsharehosting places invite all of the cheaters into this biz with no money to loose because its free and when you fuck up that domain - you just start with another - Now when I go and buy one they are all used up or banned by the SE..

All Of this free shit is going to ruin this biz before I can reap the rewards from it..
And there isn't shit free for me..

DangerDave 2004-07-15 05:30 PM

CLASSIC |pissed|

http://www.revsharehosting.com/index...-contactv2.htm

cheaters@revsharehosting.com - bounces!


:
69.22.129.31 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
Giving up on 69.22.129.31.


Sheesh!

DD

gigi 2004-07-18 01:27 PM

http://www.freesexcontents.com/ isn't resolving for me now.... |jackinthe

Cleo 2004-07-18 01:42 PM

Comes right up for me.

Still the same fucked up stealing page. |raygun|

gigi 2004-07-19 01:50 AM

ah, I see it now.....

Both my Lady X and Pornograffiti are in there.....bastard

Is there something we can do 'together' with our LL's to screw him up some how?

|angry|

CaptainJSparrow 2004-07-19 11:13 AM

Why would linking to us, with hidden text or without, help this guy get to a top spot on Yahoo?

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 03:12 PM

If anyone has a problem with a RevShare Hosting webmaster...there are 50 ways to contact me and bring it to my attention. The reason cheaters@revsharehosting.com doesn't work anymore as there were 500 SPAM emails coming in to that address everyday...and only 1 legitimate email per week, I got tired of wading thru all the bullshit email. Please stop saying that RevShare Hosting = cheating webmasters. We have 1000's of webmasters and only deal with a few problem webmasters each month. As everyone knows, there are cheaters in every crowd in this business...doesn't matter shit where they are hosted.

Now, to the matter at hand...I have disabled/suspended this users account until I have a chance to review it further, however, at first glance it appears this user is not doing RevShare Hosting or the industry any benefit and we will most likely remove his account/domains as soon as we have all information.

See, that wasn't so hard...contacting me is much more productive that pissing and moaning on the boards.

Maestro
webmaster@revsharehosting.com

gigi 2004-07-19 03:54 PM

Maestro,

Good to see you here. It's always refreshing to see a hosting company that takes action. Kudos to you and RSH! |peace|

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 04:08 PM

Gigi,

No problem...that's what I'm here for. I don't want a cheater getting everyone panties all twisted up and getting pissed at RevShare Hosting anymore than all these Link List owners want this guy using them for better SE placement. It used to be easier to keep up on all the dirt on these boards 5 years ago when you only had to watch 2-3 boards...but now there are 500 of them and I certainly have other things to do than surf message boards all day. Anyway, RevShare Hosting has been here for almost 3 years now and we are not going away...the more we work TOGETHER to remove these leeches on our industry the better off we will all be.

Thanks,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

Wild_Unicorn 2004-07-19 04:36 PM

That tosser has some of my domains on there.

Revshare are not as bad as some hosts!
There are alot worse!

I am now using Cybehost and Revshare, I have gone through 3 diferent hosts (not that I'm going to name them) but they were shit.

Cybehost is good, but revshare's system is far more powerful.

On the another side, How many poeple at this board slag revshare hosting off, but either trade links or post at any of my link sites? Coz in all fairness 3 out of my 4 are hosted there.

There are some real tossers on the net and Maestro is right in what he's said. You guys have brought something up and he's working on it... didn't take him long to get on it either.....

Cleo 2004-07-19 04:54 PM

It is not just RevShare that seems to attract idiots.

An example is HQhost which is a paid host that has managed to end up on my shit list as well. Other hosts too, all seem to be free or very inexpensive hosts.

Maybe a lot of the problem is newbies tend use cheap hosting and newbies tend to do stupid things. Maybe it is these hosts make it easy to be a cheater. I don't know why I just know how it affects my business.

Bottom line is this is my business and anything that causes me extra work or interferes with my business needs to be eliminated so when I see a host that attracts lots of undesirable webmasters I shit can the host.

Nothing personal, just business.

DangerDave 2004-07-19 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RevShare Hostin
Now, to the matter at hand...I have disabled/suspended this users account until I have a chance to review it further, however, at first glance it appears this user is not doing RevShare Hosting or the industry any benefit and we will most likely remove his account/domains as soon as we have all information.
What's the hesitation for...?

This person directly infringes my US trademark, Tommy's US trademark.. and multiple others..

Go have a look! http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?...ate=6aanjs.1.1

What more "evidence" do you need.?

Fuk I hate hosts that think income is more important then ethics.. This fool is a THIEF - no questions asked.

Delete his pages, tell him to fuck off and move on

Maybe if a few more hosts took a hard line there wouldn't be so many cheats

DD

plateman 2004-07-19 05:29 PM

Now, to the matter at hand...I have disabled/suspended this users account until I have a chance to review it further, however, at first glance it appears this user is not doing RevShare Hosting or the industry any benefit and we will most likely remove his account/domains as soon as we have all information.

You make it sound like in that statement that if they cheat and Make us money thats ok - But if he cheats and makes us no money then we will look into it..

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 05:36 PM

DangerDave,

Relax just a bit...I have terminated his account and queued his domains up for removal, however, this user has domains on 3 different load balanced clusters with 5-6 servers each...so removing them all is not just a 2 minute task. I'm also traveling and working from an off network/anonymous ip range...for the obvious security reasons I have to get this ip allowed on all server systems before I can even get in to execute any removal scripts...and that is not a quick task either. As soon as we have a chance, we will remove all his domains from our DNS records, so then the domains should be dropping offline as the cache purges.

I do understand the severity of this webmasters trademarks, etc. and we will get it resolved from our end as soon as possible...but removing this user and his 11 domains is a process, not just a click of the mouse.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 05:42 PM

Plateman...don't even go there, you have no basis to make any assumptions about my business practices. Find me one person from the last 3 years that says RevShare Hosting has ever allowed a customer/webmaster to remain on our service after breaking our TOS...and I'll call their lying bullshit in a second.

Now, if everyone will just chill out for a bit...I can actually get this matter resolved.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 06:03 PM

Ok everyone...his domains have been removed from DNS and will be dying off as caches clear.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...nts.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...orn.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...orn.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...orn.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...pic.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...ral.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...sex.com&type=A

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup...ree.com&type=A

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

Tommy 2004-07-19 08:13 PM

hello RevShare Hostin

can i ask you something, what do you tell your webmasters when they find out that they cant get listed on certian tgps because your ip ranges are blacklisted

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 10:15 PM

Tommy,

It's unfortunate that so many in this industry have the power to paint everyone with the same brush and blanket blacklist entire network ip blocks, etc...but basically I tell them that with those few tgp's, a few bad apples have spoiled it for the others. We do have other nameservers and/or ip blocks where we can put special webmasters on special request and we don't have any issues with that...afterall RevShare Hosting is not the only thing we do here and we host a number of other hosts as well. With RevShare Hosting we have quite a few webmasters that do 500k-1million uniques/day...so it really doesn't seem like that much of an issue. We also have quite a few wm's that pay for listing and preferred submit status at many of these tgp's and mgp's...and I haven't met too many tgp owners that won't accept a quality gallery from a quality webmaster if they are paying them some $ to play by their rules.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

Tommy 2004-07-19 10:32 PM

Maestro

after rereading my post it seems it sounds a bit confrontational
my post sounded like i was blaming you. I am sorry it wasnt ment that way. In fact it was very decent of you to remove that user

my point was is that this whole cheater sitation is your problem to,

everytime i ask a hosting company about it I get a bullshit anwser or they act stupid

everytime a tgp blacklists one of your numbers you make less money, your clients make less money

dont you feel that you have a responsibility to keep your ip numbers off the blacklists

hazel 2004-07-19 10:40 PM

Hi All,

Know I'm new, and accept that I know very little about the politics of the industry. However! Being new, and in the position that most newbies find themselves in - some great ideas, some little cash - I've registered and hosted a few [3] domains on revsharehosting.com

It's convenient for me should I get lucky with TGP sites like The Hun. I can't afford 3 or 400 bucks worth of bandwidth right now. So RSH is a stepping stone which I'm pleased to have available

In the future, when my site(s) become as famous as the big noises around here, I'll be able to choose how to host. Now I don't have that option. It's a hard world, and we all need to make the best of what we have at hand.

Just because we new people have to start off at the bottom, just like everyone else who has 'made it', doesn't mean we're all crooked. Maestro isn't perfect, nor is RSH. But how many of us, regardless off 'vintage', reputation and longevity are? He does his best just as you do

Just because YOU haven't f*d up this week doesn't mean you won't. Mistakes are made, solutions are sought. Let's concentrate on getting the a-holes out, and not blaming those who try their best!

Arguements like this just upset people we should try to help, not fight

Hazel - http://www.hazelsharem.com/

Tommy 2004-07-19 10:50 PM

Hello hazel

I am not blaming RevShare Hosting
in fact i always thought free hosts provided a valuable service in this industry, I use to use porncity back in the day

Surfn 2004-07-19 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tommy
I use to use porncity back in the day
I still have several sites there :)

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 11:04 PM

Tommy,

I would love to be able to keep our ip's off blacklists...but it seems that the average tgp owner chooses to work against, rather than with me to help control these problem webmasters. 4-5 years ago...I was submitting everyday and had a GREAT relationship with many of the tgp's. However, now it's been 3 years that I have been running RevShare Hosting and not submitting added with the fact that there are 10 new tgp's every week...and the moral of the story is I can't maintain a personal relationship with everyone which makes it difficult to keep enough of an open dialog with all these tgp owners. I wish there were an easier way to work around the blacklist issues, but until tgp owners are willing to contact me when they have a specific problem instead of just saying 'all RevShare Hosting webmasters are cheaters' then there isn't much I can do. Far too many webmasters in this biz with a serious GOD complex that get much more satisfaction from adding to the eternal blacklist than trying to improve the industry by working to remove/expose the cheating webmasters.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

DangerDave 2004-07-19 11:05 PM

Quote:

Ok everyone...his domains have been removed from DNS and will be dying off as caches clear.
Thank you Maestro

Hazel,

There are "mistakes" and there is out and out stealing.... there is a big difference..

As you said ..we have all made mistakes... but hidden text in the base of a page is not a mistake!

Don't think we all just sit here waiting to ban people for the fun of it... Every person/domain/host banned by me and others, has been so for a reason and that reason is based on investigation and experience... That investigation and experience costs me time, money, and surfers.

Revsharehosting has a bad rep with me... It's plain and simple.... a significant % of scammers that I have encountered are hosted there. If I remove that host from the people I do business with, then my workload, frustration and headaches are decreased. thats is a good thing for ME.

DD

Linkster 2004-07-19 11:25 PM

Actually I hope that this will be the thread where we can start to solve the problem that has come up in the last two years - I have to agree with the other LL owners here in that I have had to do a blanket B/L of some hosts and IPs - it wasnt based on the few good submitters - they always have submitted great sites for my surfers, and are doing what it takes to succeed.

The concern with some hosts is not the hosting company themselves, but the "few" people that take advantage of the arrangement and set up cheating networks that are pretty visible to anyone using a sophisticated script on submits. This led to banning the hosts, instead of going after the individuals (actually in most cases, groups of submitters working for the same consortium in some foreign countries). We chose to do this because it was the easy answer, although it was fueled by some hosts that tend to attract the cheaters and redirectors not responding after calls to take care of the problem on their end (something they probably couldnt do realistically)

Knowing the time factor involved with submit reviews and the time available to reviewers, I know that the most popular answer to a group of submitters from the same IP range and host is to just do a blanket ban - hell I've done it on many occasions and I don't think I will take someone submitting from hqhost off my list. On the other hand, I have to think that while a high percentage of people from revsharehosting tend to redirect or just do an overall drop of their sites, that we just say with certainty that they must be cheating if they're hosting there - Im a little perplexed as to how to handle the percentages :)

I have always supported "newbie WMs" trying to make it in the biz, as anyone that knows me will affirm, and think that rev sharing hosting definitely has its place in this industry - however I think we need to have an open dialog with the owners of the top providors of this type of hosting to figure out a way to accomodate the people that are really trying to get ahead, and blow out the cheaters with ease.

I'm open for ideas :) ???

hazel 2004-07-19 11:28 PM

Right. I just know I'm going to upset some of the 'old guard', but hey! Perhaps a fresh bit of blood will do some good

RSH ISN'T FREE HOSTING. I know because it costs me every time I make sale! If it was free hosting I would be laughing, except most of my sponsor links would belong to somebody else! So let's get free hosting and revenue sharing apart for a start

Even as a newbie I know a bit about what has been going on over the last 15-18 months. I have taken the time to watch, listen and learn from most of the big guns. I've seen what has been happening with a virtual leaning towards a cartel amongst the bigger LLs

If that's not what you want to hear, or want others to hear, I'm sorry. But it's a fact. Yes. You have a position of strength. Yes. You can dictate to some extent how people can come to you with their offerings. Yes. You can say that black is white, and have many believe

I understand that this business is going through a big change, but take care that you don't try to corner it for yourselves alone. Alienating a million webmasters isn't going to make it better. It will simply 'sanitise' your corner. Everyone else will find refuge elsewhere - perhaps suspect or illegal places. Do we want that?

Yes. We know there's a load of crap out there. Yes. We want 'quality' stuff. But it's a fact that a dozen 'old hands' are not going to become a star chamber and survive. A million small WMs will not put up with it in the long run

So telling a newbie that they can't have sites hosted on RSH, for example, isn't going to make it better for you; It will make it worse for us all

Sorry all, I get steamed because I see so many mountains before me. And I haven't even started to climb

Hazel |sad|

hazel 2004-07-19 11:34 PM

DD, Linkster,

Apologies. It took me so long to 'pen' the last that your entries went before.

Appreciate it's easier to blanket ban than talk to the guy who 'can do'. That's life

How many honest people are dead in th water because of the few?

Hazel

Linkster 2004-07-19 11:46 PM

Hazel - I guess my first question to you as I know you have been doin g this a while - how much over a month do you actually give up for hosting this way? I've never seen any real numbers and it is something that needs to be resolved in the back of my mind to make the concept a little clearer (that was clear as mud right? LOL)
I'm interested to know how much you pay from your sales to host with a "rev sharing hoster" :)

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-19 11:57 PM

Linkster...the overall numbers of what it 'costs' a given webmaster are at both extremes. However, in the end our webmasters 'pay' about 15% of their total revenue to host with RevShare Hosting. We have a few programs that are a bit higher...and a few that are a bit lower. The point is that our business model is successful for our webmasters and our approved sponsors, it's unfortunate that it turns into such a hot topic among the tgp owners. We have webmasters that are lucky to make a sale once a month...but they are still excited about that. We have webmasters on 4-5 dedicated servers all of their own...burning up 100mbs of bandwidth...but yes, they are doing 100+ sales/week to justify it. We have established some excellent relationships with many of our RSH webmasters...many have been hosting with us for 2-3 years and continue to be very successful. No webmaster hosting with RevShare Hosting is losing money in a bad week/month because they got 1 too many Hun listings and 10 too few sales...there really is something to be said for having your hosting be a fixed % of your sales.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

hazel 2004-07-19 11:58 PM

Hi Linkster,

It's a fair question, and no real secret. The deal is free, bannerless hosing for an overrid [or referal] on your sale(s), plus RSH has a deal with several sponsors [my main is TopBucks] for an extra $5 per pop

So as rotten as it sounds, but it's my choice until I get better [right?], I basically pay RSH the five bucks per sale for the trouble of hosting.

I know it doesn't sound economical, but I'm brand new and only getting about one sale a fortnight at the moment because nobody wants to 'up' my traffic with trades, submit with such a wee amount of traffic [catch 22]

If I made 3 sales a month that's $15. Not so different to most vitual hosts

Hazel

DangerDave 2004-07-20 12:02 AM

Hazel,

There is a fair bit of history with revsharehosting and many of the linklist owners that post here...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting


Short answer is RevShareHosting is classed as free hosting by most of us as, there is no outlay on the part of the webmaster before they can submit sites to me(us) - that makes it free..

.. and yes we have had the "it costs me a %" argument...

DD

hazel 2004-07-20 12:17 AM

DD,

I'm not about to get into a 'flame' war over it. Appreciate that you are unhappy with the whole setup

Personally I see it as my only way into the whole mix for the time being. If that means you being bitter, and shunning me, even in good faith, I would never hold that against you. I DO understand your point of view

All I'm saying is can't you talk with Maestro? Perhaps he can take a wee bit load from your back if you tell him the problems you're having with his 'charges'

I'll be honest with you, DD, I've watched you become quite bitter on this board over the last 6-7 months. While I can sympathise to an extent, I think you need to get together with those who cause you grief and sort it out - one way or another! Because I'm swavering over whether or not to take you off my links list. The way you feel is putting a lot of good, honest folk off of you

I know it's not my place to dictate, but I'm gonna make this work for me. With or without you 'experts' - Lets try to make the business work for us, not tare us appart

Hugs n Smoochies

Hazel |smooch|

plateman 2004-07-20 12:19 AM

Well I can say that the greenguy and jim board will help and answer anyone that comes in the door but the fact is RSH or free hosts just have a bad rap and its to bad that the cheaters have ruined it because it is a good thing for tgping when your starting out and cant gamble on sales vs BW..

Also as time goes on and most all major LL and tgps go paid submits how are the RSH webmasters going to have a chance at traffic..

The RSHs should have there own traffic pumps down the road..

And this may sound shitty But you cant let every one with a pc do this that can get a web editor for free and hosting for free - Hell there will be more webmasters than porn surfers.. IMHO

RevShare Hostin 2004-07-20 12:27 AM

Plateman...there seems to be this misunderstanding that I'll accept just any webmaster into our program that can send me an email, that is just not true. We have not had an 'open door' policy to join RevShare Hosting for more than 18 months. I accept new webmaster by pre-approval only...and then only after getting the right questions to a half-dozen questions and seeing some examples of their work. I would say that about 75% of the webmasters I allow to join are direct referrals from our current webmasters or our approved sponsors who have a webmaster that they feel would benefit by being with RSH. Our number of webmasters, bandwidth and revenue all grow at about the exact same pace every month...and most is from our current webmasters getting bigger and bigger, I just don't see this cause/effect that you are predicting when I look at our current trends.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting


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