What Pisses You Off With Link Lists & Free Sites?
 

It's a simple question that I don't think I've ever asked in public before now. I'm looking into making some changes with my Link Lists - some small, some major, some you'll never even notice. But I need feed back before I go any further.

So, what pisses you off as far as Free Sites & Link Lists?

Post about anything that's upsets you, from small things that annoy you to major problems that have you really pissed off. And, if you're angry with me, call my fat ass out! (but don't call anyone else out because I'm asking for it:))

Too much free porn.

That's the only thing I can think of, besides not making more money off my FS submissions.

I haven't been submitting freesites for a while now. But I am building new freesites and on the way to request some partner account. So, I am not sure if making a comment will do any good for me.

But to be honest, I didn't like the idea of adding new category recips for an ever growing site like yours. I mean, micro-niche pages like Tan Lines are good for Both LOR and freesites to get good seo traffic. But most of the freesite builder find it more time consuming to add recips an submit than building the freesite itself. And most of us have standard recip table ready for our niche.
Noone of us will have a problem for selecting the right category when we are on the submit page. But going back and adding a new recip is bit annoying at times. (And after doing all these if I don't get listed, it is frustrating. LOL )

Other than that, the minimum 12 pics/page rule for LOR was bit odd since most of the other Link Lists are still accepting sites with minimum 10pics/page. And many link lists will blindly follow your rules. So I can see more and more linklists going to ask for that 12 pics/page. The picture size and quality rule is good. |thumb (I know these rules are online for a while now. But I never got a chance to comment. :D )

Some of the webmasters who wants to be in GreenGuys good book may call my comments as rubbish. But I though giving an honest opinion will help both LOR and Submitters. :)

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Neo

In general? Or the number of pics required for a free site?

I want no one in my good book - my goal here is to hopefully find a happy middle ground where everyone is happy :)

as a submitter, there's a couple of small things that annoy me:

- I understand the need for image verification. but pleeeeeze make sure they're legible. I hate having to go back 2 or 3 times to try again, especially if when I go back the stuff I've already filled in is gone :( (although I may just need stronger glasses :D)

- I'd like to see more LLs put on their rules they'd accept longer titles, maybe 4-5 words. Many times I've had great titles with an extra little word & not used it because quite a few of the LLs I sub to specify only 3. I know I may get away with more if they're little words, but I don't try because I'm an LL owner too, and I hate it myself when submitters try to get away with shit, even when it's little shit :D

Most of the basic rules are pretty much across the board and aren't too tough to live with, although I wouldn't mind seeing 4 links out per page allowed.

other than that, I can't say anything else really bothers me. I've adapted to the pic rule by using mostly movies lol, and don't sub to too many LLs that it's that much of a pita to grab a new recip.

Didn't really wanted to elaborate, since it's been discussed in lengths on every adult webmaster board and their owners mothers boards, too.

Free content requirements for LLs and TGPs are the main contributors to overwhelming amount of free adult content. So, it's the same issue (general AND local).

I'm not counting here the forums with stolen pics and movies hosted on free image hosting and rapidshare, P2P networks, fusker sites etc. If we complain about these ruining our biz - we should look at ourselves first.

When I look at your "side", I see that if you reduce content requirements to say 10 pics and 30 secs of movies - you WILL lose bookmarkers and traffic AND income. Thats not acceptable for you and neither for me as someone who gets traffic from your site.

Noting short of all LLs lowering the bar at the same time would remotely work. And I'm not sure that would work either. I remember TGP2.

So, |banghead| and I'm back to making some free sites.

this is something I've been thinking of too, and my thoughts are that with all of the 2nd stuff available out there (p2p, sharing etc) and our little 24 pics or 2 minutes of movies it's a wonder anyone comes to our LLs at all :D

We (freesites & LLs) are such a small drop in the bucket in the free porn market that I really don't think it matters if we have 24 pics or 50. It's all in the sales pitch, not the amount of content. You can get free stuff in so much quantity anywhere, anytime anymore.

that's just my opinion tho :D

edit to add: that's kind of tied into my previous post about having 4 links out - I'd actually like to see more content allowed (not required, mind you ;)) along with more links out per page, it would balance out nicely and I'd be willing to offer more content in exchange for more links. Maybe a ratio would be good, instead of a number. But again, it would have to be more than just one or two LL owners that went with it |loony|

My only complaint is the no mixing of hardcore/softcore content. I like to use softcore pics and then give a few hardcore pics as a teaser, or maybe make gallery 1 pics of the girl and gallery 2 pics of her having sex, but with LOR it's against the rules.

As a submitter it was easier to self softcore/tease when mixed in with hardcore. But as an owner I understand why they get split into two different pages.

I do not mind the 12 pic rule per page. With all the new avenues for surfers holding onto to bookmarks and keeping traffic is difficult. So a little more content honestly does not hurt if you throw in a couple more tease pics.

Maybe cutting back to 10 pics per page but requiring 3 gallery pages, or more, instead may be better. Owners get more content for bookmarks/traffic and subbers have more advertising pages to sell with |couch|

Pony girl hit two nails on the head for my swing of the hammer.
I strongly agree, especially being as it is possible to retain the information that was already placed in the fields if the image verification fails.

Yes, I would kill for five word titles to be generally accepted.

Other issues:
I'd love if sponsors could package content correctly. How hard would it be for them to optimize images correctly before they drop them in a zip file.

It's infuriating to me when sponsors gove out content sets for a niched site with only a handful of images/movies seconds that actually show that niche. I have a sponsor that is anal themed, and they release 5 movies per scene, and only 1 of the movies has anal in it... What the fuck am I going to do with that?

I'm not seeing anywhere near the same SE traffic as I used to, to my freesites. So I'me building 3 more pages than I would have to if I was building galleries, and seeing less traffic -- maybe even in the long run.

As an owner...

Hardcore Partying sites!

Vidcaps.

People who respond in anger when their site gets rejected.

1 template wonders.

My recip being the only fucked up one on the index.

Hey Greenie!

My only complaint for LOR is how strict your site is. I consider myself a decent/trusted freesite builder that follows the rules (most of the time). Yet, I seem to have the hardest damn time getting listed on LOR. So, basically I don't go out of my way to submit that many sites that way.

One thing that really annoys me about other LL's (not LOR) is when I go to submit and they have the submissions closed "temporarily" and it seems to stay that way for months or longer. Thank god for ssi recips... :)

Sites that don't accept AVS sites. Even worse, sites that accept AVS sites and tell the surfer what AVS your using, I don't bother submitting to them.
For free sites, everything Ponygirl said, and LL's that make their sites too hard to find, I don't bother submitting to them either.

Those recip tables with the myriad of categories get to me sometimes. I mean, it doesn't take that long to build a recip table, but with 12-15 different list, all with different categories...after a few hours and a few beers my brain starts to shut down trying to figure out if two blondes screwing a black dude is threesome, interracial, hardcore, blondes...


I do appreciate all the traffic the list owners send and I can't complain too much, still I wish the whole submit process could be streamlined a bit. I've seen newbies get called lazy or whatever, but really for me I would just like to reduce the time I spend submitting so I would have more time to learn and build ..

Keep'em coming |thumb

I just wish there was more variety and options, the standard 4-page freesite can get soooo boring, I understand it would be tough to make rules to accomodate a bunch of new options and changes, but even with different designers and content the sites all start to be the same, I feel for the reviewers :D

Another vote for that one. I hate taking 20 color blind test when I submit and the case sensetive o0OlI stuff. Make em numbers or letters and non case sensetive.

24 hour limit on submits. I hate em. Why not 23 for those of us that have (or had) a regular routine. As it is now I just take a day a week off from subimtting and just submit whenever.

Having a resubmit count as your one submit for the day (if it's something minor) penisbot has a real nice system for handling this. :)

One thing I'd love to see Link Lists do (and TGPs/MGPs, etc for that matter), would be to add a new rule. One that says we'll decline your submission if the contents of your free site or gallery is too likely to allow the surfer to get off.

Yeah, I know that'd be a hard one to judge, since surfers get off to all kinds of things. But seriously, when you see some free sites and galleries, can't you tell just looking at them that for that particular niche, the content is all most surfers are going to need to get off?

I don't have a solution. I just know that every time a surfers gets off looking at the content in a free site (or gallery), that's one surfer who is very unlikely to buy a paysite membership right now.

Thank-you! I get slammed with that one too.

I easily solved that one. I don't send rejection notices.

oh, that's a good one. I never used to find myself being able to submit every day but lately I've streamlined things to the point where it doesn't seem impossible :)

2 subs/day or maybe a preferred submitter list who can sub 2x/day would be cool too.

Same as some others, i hate category links and trying to change them out for each niche.

The 24 hour rule would be awesome if it just was a flat 24 hour window, from midnight to midnight, as opposed to an exact 24 hours from each submit. That way a person can submit anytime during the day. 11:50 one night, then 2 am the next day but have to wait til after midnight the next day to go again.

Strictly as a submitter i hate month long or longer waits to be listed. Some of the large sites is stricty a back log, but on some smaller ones it seems to just be from putting them on the back burner.

The form codes being 8 digits long and being hard to read is a pain as well as sites banning the use of nofollows on sponsor codes.

Brad

I have a few.

First, LL sites that don't understand the content. I have made non-nude/tease types of sites and been rejected for not showing enough nudity. Teasing and not showing nudity the point of the whole site. I have also made voyeur and amateur sites where to quality of the pics/movies wasn't top notch and have gotten rejected for low quality content. The point of many voyeur and amateur sites is that they are supposed to be lower quality to reflect the real/taboo nature of the niche.

Second, like someone else said, the 24 hour rule. I understand it it fully, LL's don't want to get flooded, but what ends up happening is that on Monday I start my submissions at 1pm, I have to wait until 2pm on tues then 3pm on wed and by Friday or Saturday it is 5 or 6pm when I'm submitting and at that hour I should be drinking beer somewhere :). 22 or 23 hours would let me start my submits at 1pm and finish them by 2pm then I could do them at the same time the next day.

Those are my only real complaints. Otherwise I am cool.

It seems to me that the whole LL/freesite model is drifting towards providing the surfer with more and more free porn of better and better quality that is becoming easier and easier to find.

The definition of a freesite is becoming narrower, the list of don'ts is getting longer. For the WM interested in making the most of it, it is becoming harder to make unique designs each and every day. I haven't received a template rejection...yet.

How 'bout loosening up a little on site structure and content requirements? What's wrong with a linear site? What's the harm in a few "semi-blind" links as long as you're not downright tricking the surfer? What about a benign console? Pics on html pages with banners?

It's been said more times then I care to remember on this board that we should tease the surfer just enough to take out the plastic, not enough to get him off. Just recently I was rejected because I didn't have 5 movies on each page (which was fair enough because it was right there in the rules). But still it's ridiculous. 10 movies to a freesite, 1000s of freesites listed. Small wonder conversions are dropping.

The way things are progressing we might as well soon visit the surfers at home and jerk them off ourselves.

Oh yeah, I too hate hardcore party sites, impossible-to-read image verifications and people who don't send rejection e-mails.

The 24 rule bugs be as well. Make it daily. Just list the time at which it resets. Cause it sucks to have to maybe have a slow day getting one out maybe early in the week then every day after that you are having to wait to submit. Until basically you have to go a day with out submitting to one just to get back on a decent schedule.

I wish more people who are on the message boards would use that same nick when submitting.

Just makes sense to me but as always, "what the fuck do I know".

This one really gets to me |banghead|

Category recips - do they still add value from a SEO perspective. I understand the need to filter traffic, but are category recip links not canceled out when calculating PR. What about FS linking to LL index and LL linking from category page to FS - would that not transfer more link juice, plus it involves less work:D , just a thought.

LL who demand to be on the same recip table as the big boys

All the rules/measures designated to combat cheaters - life would be a lot better without all the cheaters