Sponsors shouldnt redirect hosted sites
 

Noticed this morning that Digibucks hosted free sites are redirecting to UltraPornPass - thats not real good for LL owners to send their surfers to - I could see it out of newbie free site cheaters who dont know any better - but not a sponsor :(

Yeah I agree :(

I've found three ( 3 ) sponsors in the last two weeks doing that shit. Needless to say I deleted them all and banned their programs for life! |angry|

Surfn - could you please post the other ones so that we all can get them off our listings - there are a bunch that I havent added hosted free sites for yet but would rather just ban them from the start then going through and adding them and then finding them redirecting :)

Sorry, I deleted their signup emails and such too. I remember one was an early sponsor that had a ton of lookalike sites. The other two were newer ones. None of them were performing well which is why I "guess" they felt the need to redirect. I would recognize their names if I saw them again. ICQ me with a list of the ones you are thinking about. In the future I will post them on the board for everyone to see. :D

The digibucks sites and galleries have been redirecting for awhile. Ultra Porn Pass is a new program where you get paid on sales sent to their AVS style link list.

But, on their gallery redirects (the last time I checked), your affiliate code was not carried over. I deleted them and banned them at the time, but they finally announced their new proggie (without any reference to the demise of digibucks) on this board a couple of weeks ago so I have an open (albeit skeptical) mind to the proggie.

whitey - you say they announced this new program here - I dont seem to be able to find (with the search function) any reference to ultrapornpass or ultra porn pass - except for this thread :)
And I checked my email archives as I would certainly expect a sponsor to send out an email but seems that I dont have anything since January this year when I joined their program

I don't use DigiBucks and NEVER would after you guys saying they redirected all their hosted sites. They at least should have sent out an email to tell all affiliates to remove links. Screw them!

As some of you obviously may not know DIGI BUCKS was sold to Mark of PARK YOUR PORN.

The sites have been redirected at this time yes. BUT affiliates sending hits to the the old program STILL get credit fro all sales made thru ULTRA PORN PASS. Affiliates have lost nothing and are still getting paid for any rebills that have been generated by Digibucks.

Unlike sponsors who have just shut down and taken any money owed we have not done that. No affiliate has lost anything.

Im sure once mark gets the system back up on his end he will be posting all over the place about it.

Thank you
Roscoe

Roscoe - don't you think it would have made just a little bit of sense to at least let the affiliates know that the program was being sold and the links redirected? Then LL owners out here would have had the choice in where their bookmarkers were sent. An more importantly - whether they wanted to keep promoting the program if the links were going to a redirect?

You know linkster no matter what we did or how we handle this situation there would be somebody who complained or was upset how as to how we handled it.

I think that we have done better than most programs that just belly up and have the "fuck you" attitude towards their affiliates.

The issue of redirecting is only temperary and once the new owners have things in place all links will go right back to where they are supposed to as far as we understand.

So instead of putting the burdon on the affiliates to change everything or just having 404 pages we sent them to a different site that allows them to still make money and not loose anything they have built up.

If us trying NOT to be like other programs and just keeping peoples money or just going poof is not good enough I don't know what else to say.

Roscoe - I have to agree that it would have been nice to know. I talk to you in public & private about all this & I had no idea what was going on either.

Sometimes it's not a good idea to keep everyone out of the loop.

Personally, I'd have rather been informed by an email or a post as opposed to finding out when I ran my linkbot that the sites were redirecting.

The issue of sponsors just going belly up and disappearing is a completely different issue - this case is one that we've experienced many times in the last two years with the changes in the Visa rules - and in every case I can think of, the affiliate program gave their affiliates a heads up - and the choice (most importantly) to redirect their links or take them down. To feed your new program (which from what I gather from the other thread is where these links have been redirected) with traffic designated for affiliate paysites is just not right when the person you are getting the traffic from thinks their traffic is going to a paysite - not a filter project.
ARS, MaxCash, and many others have redirected links due to changes in their programs and they took the few minutes to compose an email to their affiliates at least a week ahead of time so that their advertisers could change links if desired.

Redirecting links and giving webmasters the credit is good. BUT redirecting free sites that link lists list is not right. Link lists are Telling their surfers here is a free site with a couple fucking (or whatever) and the link redirects to a paysite. Not good.

An email should have been sent once whoever decided to pull all those sites and links.

Ok im sorry i did not send out emails to everybody concerned. Lesson learned.

So i guess now we will just close the redirect and take everybodies money.

The accounts cannot be transfered to the new owners and this was our way of letting everybody continue to get paid.

I guess thats not what everyone wants so..i would say based on the response here its just better for us to pull the plug here and leave it at that.

Am i correct?

I banned your program you can do as you like :D

Maybe thats part of the problem.

ITS NOT MY PROGRAM ANY LONGER !

If you sold the sites to another party & were not able to transfer over the existing members & CC info to them, wouldn't you have to cancel all the members?

How can you still be charging them for access to a site that you do not own?

I'm confused.

No this is not the case.

All the surfers now have access to ultrapornpass which we are populating with all the content that was in the DB program.


The surfers have lost nothing either. Thats how we continue to get all the affiliates their rebills.

When ultrapornpass is fully populated it will have over 1/2 million pics and of course thousands of movies.

Ultraporn pass looks and feels to the surfer like an old style AVS site.

But to meet the visa regs we have taken it on ourselves to build and host all sites. Webmasters no longer have to build sites.

UPP is not 100% completed yet (what site is) we will be adding a rebill option for affiliates to sell upgrades. A dateing service free to members. The ability to add pics to their own collections.
A 3d chat area psurfers can actualy walk thru and have play time the adult way..and alot more....

Ok - that does make a little more sense.

And since Jim & I spoke aobut this on the radio show & because I'm a dumb ass & forgot to hit the record button, I didn't want anyone to come & say I was talking about you behind your back, so here's a brief recap:

I knew you were changing things around with DigiBucks, but I didn't know this was the ultimate plan (I thought the Ultra thing was going to be an add on to the same program) Had I known
you were going to do this, I'd have offered you a little advice :)

Link lists & TGP owners hate to see things get recirected & when we do, we take offense to it & blacklist the parties involved. If we knew ahead of time that the sites were going to be redirecting, things would have not been completely good, but they would have been better.

IMHO you should have let everyone know what was going on, as opposed to people seeing the sites 302ing on their linkbots.

Also, who is "dablonde" and can you ask them to stop posting "Hello" threads every month or so?

You know its funny. For a program that very few seemed to want to really send traffic to it sure is getting alot of stink now.

As far as the radio thing i must say that i am a bit upset also that when i got icq'd about the show and i asked in reply if i should be there nobody responded to my inquiry. So yes i guess i must say that this did seem to be done behind my back.

Its like chicken little..noboday wants to bake the bread but they sure want to eat it when its done.

I have explained several times what has taken place and how we arranged to keep affiliates making money instead of not loosing it and still thats not good enough.

Instead of people being gratefull that they are keeping their money and possibly making more money, or just having it taken from them and saying tuff shit,...they want to complain that they weren't notified of this change.

Ok thats fine... i have learned one hell of a lesson here. It doesn't matter what you do our how you did it, people are just gonna complain no matter what.
When people post like they have been here I don't think any of those, cept a few, should ever wonder why a sponsor just ups and crap on them because when a sponsor makes an effort TO NOT do that they are just slammed for it anyway.

So why should a sponsor tell the LL owners anything they are fucked anyway!

I will take the blame for whatever happend with DB while it was under my ownership but...
I don't own the program any longer and i hope none of you hold this against the new owners.

Oh and dablonde is my wife.

She is a very neubie neubie...but i will ask her not to post here any longer since there seems to be a problem.

Roscoe
All is good. You've been in biz a long time and are not the kind to screw someone. Someone made a mistake by not informing people that those free sites would be redirecting so it was a bad choice (in most people's opinions) and that's it. Your wife is more than welcome here as far as I'm concerned.

Im sorry if my post is stern but i have been in this biz a long time as well.

The affiliate side of it was my first attempt. Granted i made mistakes and prob will make more.

But it really does get my goat when i try and make every effort to NOT screw people out of their money (having it had been done to me by a LARGE namless AVS company) and you still get things rammed at you like your the worst thing on the planet.