Why can't i get listed 'cos of this?
 

Hi Everyone,

Is it just me or are the rules for LL's getting harder and harder to please everyone all the time?

I have had this site rejected because i haven't kept all the HTML pages in the same folder. I do this to facilitate mirroring of index pages without having to resort to index2423.html etc.

http://www.hellbabe.com/lesbian/40/ap/index.html

What would you guys all have done?

Am i being too sensitive? Is this a usual rule?

Thanks for your ideas,

Cheers

Rayzor
(http://www.rug-munchers.com/)

I think almost all link list require you to have all files, (html and pictures) in the same directory.

So the only way around this is to start making mirror directories, which I think is fair for everyone, and Easy to do!

Most places html in the same folder, pics can be a different folder but same domain.

Wouldn't that mean having to have say 20 directories with an index page, main page, galleries and 30 pics and thumbs in each?

That's a lot of duplication.

Why 20? Most I use is 3, that gives you 33 recips who insist on the default index, and for the ones who dont you use index.htm index.shtml warning.html warning.htm and so on. should be plenty :)

I still don't understand completely.

I use a recip table with 8 recips in. I submit to over 100 LL's.

But even so, are you saying you still duplicate the pics and gallery pages?

Yes, thats 4 pages per folder minimum.
Make a note of which LLs require the true index page. Up your recips to 9.
folder 1 =9 recips
folder 2 = 9 recips
folder 3 = 9 recips
Thats obviously 27, now, that leaves say 81 - with the ones that don't require the default index page:
index.htm
index.shtml
warning.html
warning.htm
warning.shtml
warn.html
warning.htm
warning.shtml
enter.html
enter.htm
enter.shtml
entry.html
entry.htm
entry.shtml
and I'm sure you can think of a few more. Whack all those into folder 1 every time (easier to keep track when you use the same method)
Even with 8 recips the mirror pages will cover it, just depends who on your list requires that default index :)

Thanks Cfnmparty,

That's all clear now. looks like i'm gonna have to redo my whole method now but i reckon it'll be worth it. i had a feeling that a fair few people weren't listing me....

Thanks again.

Rayzor

I think making a master directory should be ok but it seems it is not sometimes?

Personally I think if you were making a tits site you could go domain.com/tits/freesite/ as the main directory putting the index for the big LL in there with the 2 galleries.
Then making more pages like domain.com/tits/cans/, domain.com/tits/jugs/, domain.com/tits/melons/, domain.com/tits/hooters/ ect all linking to the 2 galleries domain.com/tits/freesite/gallery1, domain.com/tits/freesite/gallery2

That should be okay. I would think. I know it is with me.

It's just plain stupid to have to upload 20 pictures 10 times for the same site.

If I see my recip with other big name LLs and I like the site then I'll usually overlook not having everything in the same directory.

As long as the content is on the same domain it works for me :)

Hey look, my recip is up there :)
I was just trying to create a perfect world I guess, where every LL table has it's own directory so the SE would spider it more easely :)

Ah well I must have been in a bad mood because normally I accept your kind of linking structure (I accepted most of your previous sites). :)

Oh yeah, the site mentioned above is listed now :)

I woulda rejected it cause one of the recip designs on there is stolen from another LL owner

I never clicked the link and actually looked at the site.

Yeah cherrypickedlinks.com is a code theft and is an instant decline at my link list.

Code theft!!!!??

That is theft by the LL owner, not by me submitting the site. I'm just doing as i am told by this guy too, who no doubt insists that everyone use his "super new recips" or doesn't get listed.

This is a harsh world :)

On my LL, i let all sites in that have my recip and no dead links or anything illegal as long as they aren't obviously crap.

I get people trawling through my HTML code, and checking WHOIS records. Who the hell has the time for that?

Rayzor, because of the number of people out there who cover the range from "slightly dishonest" to "outright fucking crooks", link site owners truly have to be careful who and what they link to.

None of us would every totally reveal all that we do to prevent shitty listings, but I can assure you reviewing sites (especially from new submitters) isn't a quick job.

Each link site has rules, and it is up to you to follow them or not submit. cherrypickedlinks.com is a particular case, and I won't go further into it, except to say that you can submit to one or the other but not both on the same page. Work it out.

Think of this as a slight logic puzzle. You'll manage.

Alex

Is that little shithead still getting people to use that recip!! Sheesh some people! |angry|

DD

He removed the mouse-over effect after the thread Cleo started a few months ago. The static version still looks pretty much the same.

Rayzor - you are correct - it is theft by that LL owner - and thats why the other LLs decided not to list any sites that have that recip to that LL - very similar to another recip theft that happened recently.
On our LLs we not only think about the surfer, but we consider the effects of letting one person slide with this type of copying - next two people do it - then so on.
As far as who has time for checking all the cheaters - anyone that wants to make a good profit with their LL had better worry about cheats, trawlers, code theft and establish themselves as part of the LL owners community that has some general rules about respect for each other.

Right, that's his recip deleted then!

Do you guys tend to find it's the same 20, 50, 100 submitters all the time then and get used to their sites and build up a picture of who the shits are and who's basically a good guy (or gal)?

Do you also find that there are 1000's of other's who will appear briefly, submit a few crappy sites and then disappear never to be heard of again in this business?

I've been doing this about 3 years now but don't really consider myself to be very well known out there, I should spend more time hanging around these boards but struggle to get the time, what with jobs and parenting etc, i like this place though- you lot seem to speak your minds! :)

Anyway, Ta for the advice and i'll try stay around here a bit more often.

(If anyone wants yet another LL to submit to then try Rug-munchers)

Cheers everyone.

Rayzor

Just wanted to add my 2 cents about mirrors.

Don't copy your sites in to multiple directories. It take a hell of a time and in case you have to change something, you have to do it to all mirrors.

Use apache rewrite modules and use one "directory" in URL as recip file variable. Variable? Yes this means you will have to use PHP with it too. If you don't know PHP it's best you just learn it as it will make your life a lot easier.

Anyway using rewrite modules and PHP you can have 1 directory per site and then use URLs to manipulate which recips will be shown on the site.

Use Google to find mroe about apache rewrite modules. I think the method is called also "URL masking"?

Anyway stop working with multiple directories as that's just obsolete. Use the superior technology that can make your life so much easier.

I personally couldn't make a site without PHP.

Another thing. If you fear of getting rejected because of having .php ending (yes, some reviewers tend to fear that ending, or any scriptiong for that matter) you can add this line to your htaccess:

AddType application/x-httpd-php .html

and it will run .html files as PHP files.

Work smarter, not harder ;)

I understand the need to not list certain sites who have recips to LL owners who are thiefs, but how does the free site submitter keep current with who doesnt want you linking to who? Seems rather complicated for the submitter.

To answer the original question, as long as the pages and content are in the same domain, it's fine with me. Some of the links lists have more restrictive rules, though. I guess the thing to do is to choose the links list on your "must-submit" list with the most restrictive rules and build your sites accordingly.

Who IS the most restrictive these days? Since I don't submit sites, I'm not up on what everyone else's rules are.