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WarBot 2006-08-17 10:10 AM

Rule #1 my recip must be with the big boys?
 
I just spent the past few hours looking at the lists that dont list my sites and Ive noticed one rule that seems to be on every one of them. Its the "my recip should be with the "bigger" link lists" rule.

My question is, if a site has sent you zero visitors, do you still put them on a page with sites that send you the most? Is it fair to put them with the sites that have sent you the most before they have even proven that they can or will send you ANY visitors?

Are these sites just PR and traffic leaches?

If Ive submitted 10 sites over the past month, if these sites havent listed me once is it time to remove them from my submit list?

How do you organize your recips?

When do you call it quits with a link list, even if you think they may possibly send a decent amount of traffic?

My thought is that recips should be based on who sends you the most traffic. When I build my sites I start at the top of the referrer list and work my way down until its not relevant anymore.

Thanks in advance
WB

ponygirl 2006-08-17 10:16 AM

Warbot, if I know a LL is going to send me lots of traffic, I'll make allowances for rules like that. If it's a new or small LL, they're dreaming :)

I've taken recips out then put them back in lots of times, don't be afraid to shake it up a bit & experiment with what works.

Also, some really good traffic senders take a long time to list you, I know a couple where it's been like 3-6 months! Then you just have to figure out if the traffic spike is worth it (ie: is it productive) and decide if you want to keep subbing.

I think if you build nice sites that follow the rules and look good, a LL should list you regardless of who's on the recip table (within reason - there are lots of dead lists out there too)

Greenguy 2006-08-17 10:17 AM

Part of that is people being worried about their recip being listed with 5 recips that go to the submitter's various hubs.

I don't care if you link to one of your hubs, but I did throw in the "established link lists" rule to encourage people to submit to other established sites & not just link to their own hubs.

(please note that I said hubs & not link lists - I would not hold it against Cleo if she put her recip next to mine on a free site that she built)

WarBot 2006-08-17 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ponygirl (Post 293856)
Warbot, if I know a LL is going to send me lots of traffic, I'll make allowances for rules like that. If it's a new or small LL, they're dreaming :)

I've taken recips out then put them back in lots of times, don't be afraid to shake it up a bit & experiment with what works.

Also, some really good traffic senders take a long time to list you, I know a couple where it's been like 3-6 months! Then you just have to figure out if the traffic spike is worth it (ie: is it productive) and decide if you want to keep subbing.

I think if you build nice sites that follow the rules and look good, a LL should list you regardless of who's on the recip table (within reason - there are lots of dead lists out there too)

I think I will leave them in for now... or maybe Ill create a list of recips for sites that dont list me and have that rule. Then put them all on the same page ;) lol

WarBot 2006-08-17 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 293857)
I don't care if you link to one of your hubs, but I did throw in the "established link lists" rule to encourage people to submit to other established sites & not just link to their own hubs.

Yeah, I get that rule. But LOR sent me alot of surfers when I was picking the recips randomly (and so did porn movie links). So you put yourself at the top of the list not because you demanded it but because you deserved to be there. I dont know who the big LL's are, or the medium and small ones. I just have my traffic stats to go by.

Preacher 2006-08-17 11:45 AM

Again, it's my opinion that if someone is going to decline a site based the fact that they are not listed with high traffic linklists or require those linklists to have a certain number of backlinks, well then I'd probably just pull them off my submit list.

MrYum 2006-08-17 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacher (Post 293885)
Again, it's my opinion that if someone is going to decline a site based the fact that they are not listed with high traffic linklists or require those linklists to have a certain number of backlinks, well then I'd probably just pull them off my submit list.

I completely agree |thumb

It's ludicrous to insist on being listed with specific sites |banghead|

KG Gary 2006-08-17 02:40 PM

The best advice I can give is to experiment and be flexible. Bend your own set of business rules if you think it's worth it, but always be prepared to make changes if you need to. If you think you are getting declined due to unreasonable demands then don't submit there.

When I started submitting freesites an established link list (that had been listing my sites already) simply asked me to put their recip in a "better" place, so I did. It was definately worth making the change.
Would I have done it for a less established link list? Probably, because it's not always about the traffic, it's about building relationships and trust, and supporting people who have been helpful to you.
:)

Greenguy 2006-08-17 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WarBot (Post 293871)
... I just have my traffic stats to go by.

That is the true guage of things :)

I did forget to mention that I assume some (not all) of that stuff is ego driven.

virgohippy 2006-08-17 03:55 PM

The way I see it, any new list who sends me #1 level traffic knows they'll probably get mixed in with group#1 eventually anyway. (Good submitters know what they're doing and why)

Anyone who's so instent to decline my first site without giving me proof of their value probably frustrates the fuck out of so many other submitters no one submits to them anyway.

And I'm sure you can imagine the value of a LL is that has no submitters. |thumb

virgohippy 2006-08-17 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarBot (Post 293851)
When do you call it quits with a link list, even if you think they may possibly send a decent amount of traffic?

Almost missed this one.

I've been submitting to one place for nearly 3 months now... just started getting listed. But I can see they do update, and they've got good SE listings.

If someone declines my first site I'll ask why and try to accomodate. If they continue to decline and there's just not much I can do about it there's no reason for me to continue submitting.

Btw, I try to make each recip table unique, and new lists sometimes go in my #1 group for a very brief time, just in case ego is an issue. :)

WarBot 2006-08-18 04:58 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I decided to do it like this

81 link lists Ill be submiting to (I need to find 9 more tody actually)
each free site has 15 recips
6 index / warning pages / recip tables

I load up my stats, take the highest referrer and put it on page 1, take the second highest -> page 2, third highest = page 3 and so on until it gets down to where it doesnt seem relevant. Then I just randomly grab recips and fill up the rest of the table slots.

I did this on my last fs and it seems to make everyone happy. I got acceptance emails from quite a few of the lists that werent listing me before. And best of all it keeps things pretty simple for my tired old brain. Another advantage is that when I add a new ll to my submit list, they will automatically be on a page with about a half dozen or more well known and established link lists.


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