I Got An Email From Exmasters
 

A submitter sent me a PM in regards to his sites not being listed. I looked & he's hosted at Exmasters. So, after years of complaining to them about the sites/domains they host & not getting any replies, it looks like we've finally made contact with them :)

Here's the email:
From: "Exmasters Hosting"
To:
Subject: Request

Hello GreenGuy!
We were notified that our hosting is banned on your pages...

Please, may I ask for the reason so we can fix it and get's unblocked? As we
offer also virtual hosting,
not only dedicated servers, we can't control everyone's galleries - but when
we get any complain,
it's always resolved promptly or within 24 hours. So there shouldn't be any
problem, that's why
I'am asking you - to fix if there is any problem of which I'am not aware.

Thank you in advance for your time!

Best Regards,
Milo
General support

I know I'm not the only one that has this host & anything associated with them blacklisted, so I thought I'd bring this out into the open now that they've contacted one of us so that we can all join in the discussion.

Umm, I'm still newbie here, but why were they banned at the first place?

Free Hosts or sponsor hosts are baned because the webmaster has no control over the hosting. At any time the sponsor or free host can decide it is not profitable to be hosting anymore and redirect everything or simply close the hosting down for whatever reason. If the webmaster submitting the free sites does not "control" the hosting then it is considered a "free host" and will not be accepted.

And please no sponsor come in here and say we wouldn't do that as I'm sure you wouldn't but the rules are rules because "some" do and there is no way to know who will. Free hosting or sponsor hosting is an automatic ban.

Well, we never been free or sponsor host (never used any type of advertising in customer's accounts), but as GG replied, the problem is that his emails about his ll abusing wasn't asnwered a few years ago.

We are trying to do the best and fix all similar things within 24hrs, but on the other hand, we are not judges and we can't judge someone's content - if it's legally bought, if 2257 is correct, etc. - simply because we don't want to be spokesman between linklist and the customer. Of course, I don't mean illegal things (they are banned immediately), I mean controversial things. Also we can't be responsible if any webmaster doesn't keep GreeGuy's rules...but this is obvious.

GreenGuy: All we can do now is to start from clear position - ask you for removing from bl and reply to your emails as during today. Thanks in advance.

MrMaryLou asked about a "free host" issue as well.

But I remember YEARS ago realizing that exmasters was one of the places that a slot of scumbag & cheating webmasters had their sites hosted - and I'm not just talking about people that break rules because they are hosted everywhere (but a lot were/are hosted at exmasters) I'm talking more about some of the domain names that you'd see when doing whois & dns lookups - rape, incest, CP, etc.

I also remember letting them know about some of them early on - and I know other Link List owners sent them emails & info about the domains in question as well. When I never saw a reply & the domains were still up & running, I pretty much threw my hands up in the air & blacklisted them.

Like I said - this was YEARS ago - but oddly enough, a lot of the webmasters we have problems with as far as questionable marketing & submitting are hosted at exmasters (as well as a few other un-liked hosting companies) so I've continued to believe that I made the right decision when I blacklisted them many years ago.

Now, if you ask me for examples, I have none :( But like I said, this was a long time ago - I'd guess 2001 or so (maybe earlier)

I NEVER said that!

Here's the EXACT emails I replied to you with:

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From: Greenguy [mailto:blamo@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:02 PM
To: Exmasters Hosting
Subject: Re: Request

WOW! I don't think I've ever seen an email from anyone at exmasters
(I have to admit, I stopped complaining to your company years ago)

I've started a thread on my board, as I'm not the only Link List that
has you blacklisted:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=42049

Greenguy

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At 08:23 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote:

I never visited your board before so if it was there, couldn't reply. I just
wanted to
know the reason - to check account of the user. If someone broke your rules
when
submitting, we can't be responsible for that - only thing we can do is to
check it after
the complain. That's why I contacted you now - never heard about your
blocking from
our customers before. Thanks.
M.

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To: "Exmasters Hosting"
Subject: RE: Request


No, I'm saying that I never recv'd a reply from exmasters when I used to email in complaints about sites/domains that you host.

I gave up about emailing you about 3 or 4 years ago.

I did post this email on my message board because I know that there are MANY people that have anything associated with exmasters blacklisted & I thought you might want to plead your case in public.

If you want to continue this discussion, you can find me on my message board.

Greenguy

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The problem is not so much your users abusing my linklist - I know there's not much you can do if a webmasters hosting with you breaks a Link List's rules. I'm talking about complaining to you about some very questionable domains/sites that you are/were hosting.

well guys...how about any statement, solution...btw does anyone with "same" opinion on Exmasters have any idea ? for example: Majick (uncle thumper, naughtyplace) , Ladydesigner (clix4sex , sexysmuttlinks), Varion (alcoholinks, eroticasearch), Ingrid (stuveltjes porn, analbitch pornlist ) etc., because it's not fair for honest webmasters be banned for a few diletants...

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Okay, thx for clarification - I understand. The problem is was, that control panel didn't have any filter for domain names. Now are questionable domain names in queue and processed manually.

If we may clear it out, will be great. It should happen much less and if so, it will be promptly solved..

Just curious....How is it that you think my LL policies have anything to do with Exmasters hosting?

Ummm.... yes, same here. Why would me banning you have anything to do with Exmasters??

There are a lot of Link Lists that will decline (and blacklist) anything from a number of hosts - exmasters, hqhost, 3fn, est, advanced, sago, etc.

These places seem to be a haven for shady sites/domains - from rule breakers to questionable sites.

So, like so many other things (counters, pop-ups, etc) it's easier to just decline anything you see from those hosts.

Let's face it - you never hear about a rape site on National Net - or a multisubmitter on Colo-cation - or a guy with questionable content on Webair.

I really need some of my old-school LL friends in here before people think I've (completely) lost my mind :D

No, you've not lost your mind Greenie. Well, at least not on this topic anyway :D

Having recently taken over managing a couple old link sites, and having done quite a bit of cleanup on the sites, the theory about those hosts was borne out by what I found. By and large, the vast majority of the cheaters/scammers/redirects/spyware installing fucks were hosted by one of the hosts you mention...and almost all were reg'd with estdomains. Big fucking hairy suprise...NOT! |angry|

|thumb 100% agree.. GG


I have many bans in place that are not written, spoken or posted.

I chose to ban these places or people because of the reasons that GG outlined.. It is far easier to decline them as a group than to investigate and question each individual.

It is unfortunate that some webmasters are caught "in the net", but that has been the way for a long time now..

Additionally, as a group, we often discuss these things and will apply a ban together after much deliberation and discussion.

These bans are and will remain in place until there is some sort of 'proof' that the hosts, dom. registrar, etc have improved their management.

DD

WOW... Thank God I just purchased my new host from Colo-cation:D

See - I knew I wasn't going insane (and besides, my Brain MRI isn't until Friday |thumb)

We used exmasters for about a year and thought they were pretty good. We used them for our hosted galleries actually, I hope that didn't hurt us back when we were with them.

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Ken> It can't hurt you in any way, you got good hosting solution with great uptime/support, there is nothing wrong with exmasters' services at all.

GG> well, all the complains we get are fixed within 24 hrs, not just from LL's, but also from content studios, etc. Really don't know why your weren't... Sometimes we also get fake complains from customer's competitors, so we can't suspend everything on first sight - so even suspending should have some rules. But questionable domain names are checked more detailed than before. May I ask you for removing from the bl, pls? Thx.

I had no issues at all while I was with exmasters, Patty provided great support.

GG: One more thing, I just checked all active dns in the system and found just three domains including "rape". One is empty (no files), second one some fantasy stuff seen many times, third one forwarded to some standard xxx store. I really don't feel that there is currently anything wrong or more questionable domains than elsewhere... :)

In all honesty? Without a shadow of a doubt, I can hand on my heart say: 10 is good for me.

I kid you not.

Question: Did you delete the three domains which included "rape" in the domain name?

who the fuck is Ingrid from stuveltjes porn?:D yep i go with almost the same bans like the other linksites do, reason?, i have reviewed and still review several linksites owned by others or owned by me, i see the same submitters submitting to my linksite and to the others, i learned from the oldies, sure i was stubburn at the beginning but still noticed i had the same problem as them, so yep i blacklist when there is mentioned on the boards or whatever that the host or webmaster is bad (oke i admit i will do it when only some person mention it or i find out myself, but then those persons are long enough in this bizz to be trustfull and i believe them) and rape and all that shit.
Btw Varion (alcohol links and erotica search) thinks the same, because i review those linksites and an other thing, analbitch isnt mine and my name is stuveltje:D

oh i forgot, i do review analbitch so same rules ( and yes it was once my linksite, but i sold it some years ago and i am still the pain in the ass reviewer there), if they are metioned on the board or not...people who submit to linksites, should check the boards also then they wil find out that not only the rules list cound but some other things too....is that unfair, do we have to inform the free site submitters? i dont think so, i see a linksites like housebuyers in holland (you as a buyer have to find out all the hidden and open information about that house yourself), you have to get yourself informed by the rules of the linksite and to get informed about the hidden information not mentioned by the rules page of the linksite (but found on the boards, especially when its and very well known linksite:D) and with that every webmaster has the right to ask their questions on the boards, its only up to you, to just nag or make your life easier (and put your pride apart) and just ask why you didnt got listed:)
Its up to you if you do something with that info or not, so if you have an bad attitude and say fuck it, thats all the right you have, but you also can think further and overlook what you did wrong and fixed it and make your life easier:) This is for sponsors and webmasters:D|boobies|

All this seems like GG is trying to say (sorry if not, but I feel it like that) we were or we are the bad ones, which is not true and which I tried to say. We host many honest webmasters, even big players, many of them is in this biz from beginning. Every complain is solved within 24 hours or less. We are not russians nor the guys from the east with shady sites and we do not "welcome" these sites. We play fair game and trying to do the best for all those people doing serious business. That's why I tried to ask GG for clearing, because there is nothing wrong with us or on our side.

I'm still waiting for the answer to this question.