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What do you guys use?
I am just wondering because I've been hearing a lot of hype about this Ruby on Rails thing and all the big companies seem to use ASP.NET for whatever reason. Personally, I don't like to code anything but learned some Perl back in 2002 because I needed to and that is what I've always used. I think I'll do the next one with PHP though it seems almost the same but better in ways. |
Definitaly php. It was super easy for me to pick up, and the documentation on php.net is amazing.
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I thought those bastards killed kenny?
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Ummmm, where the fuck is Perl? LULZ.
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what? no cobol?
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Perl and Python have magicly appeared. :)
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At the same time my sig has magicly disappeared. :D
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+1 for php
I'm not that bright in php code but I found my ways to change it to fit my needs. php was my first coding encounter and if everything goes well also my last. |
mostly PHP here, anything but ASP! Fuck ASP.
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php is the easiest thing to learn ever...
as a starter ones you get a hang of loops & database connectivity it becomes very very handy oh and if you choose to use it please don't be another idiot that do things the stupid way ;) PHP Code:
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I don't know if all of its easy I've been struggling to grasp this stuff about classes and objects: http://us.php.net/oop I admit I'm new to PHP and I am no real programmer in any language.. but damn it makes no sense. (Looking at it on and off for a couple days when I have time. Perhaps it will click soon enough I'm usually slow to catch on :) ) |
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I do mostly PHP now, since I'm using non-Windows servers for my sites, but I still maintain a few mainstream sites for clients that have ASP based sites. As for other programming languages... I took my first programming course in 1977, so the list is pretty long and includes the usual suspects BASIC, Fortan, COBOL, Pascal, an assortment of assembly languages (each machine specifc). I'm sure there's quite a few I've forgotten. I tried to teach myself PERL a few years ago, but didn't have sufficient motivation to stick with it until it started making sense. I can hack up a simple javascript function when needed, but I detest coding that mess. Then there's all the various template languages. It seems each script has it's own. |
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php baby - just look at all them sexy functions - lol
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Like Toby, I've been programming since the mid 70's and have used maybe +15-20 different languages.
PHP is a handy little script language that I tend to use for server side stuff, and JS for browser side. But, I would prefer a more stable compiled language if only for the performance. |
I've always stuck to PHP, have no real need to use any other programming language for my webs so far...
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language itself, but a module that let's you use other MS languages such as VBScript within Microsoft's web server. It seems that ASP was used by a lot of big companies who already had Windows admins and Windows programmers on staff because that was the only thing the existing employees could do. To use a server operating system like Unix, Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc. would mean hiring all new people to maintain and program those systems. Lately I've seen some big companies abandoning this all Microsoft model and using some PHP or Python. I haven't seen a lot of ASP used for new projects. Tis may have something to do with the sting of Microsoft routinely ceasing to support older version of their programming systems, making maintenance of the first round of ASP systems enormously difficult and expensive. PHP, as mentioned by others, was EASY. The latest release version and the upcoming version are less easy. Prior versions have been easy like Legos are easy - any ten year old can build something with Legos or PHP. That's what everyone will say about PHP - how EASY it is. Professionals don't build business equipment out of legos. It's just as silly to build professional tools from PHP 3 or PHP 4. PHP is as easy to hack as it is to use. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE under PHP 3 or PHP 4 to write a script that doesn't have a HUGE security hole. Every PHP script let's the attacker upload any files they want to the server, and every PHP script I've ever seen has more similar big security holes. As an example, this board software, VBulletin, is one of the best known PHP scripts. As I demonstrated on Netpond, I can get full admin access to VBulletin simply by getting the admin to read a message I posted. BY posting the right message, I get access to the account of anyone who reads it, including the admin. That's not because VBulletin sucks - it's one of the better PHP based systems around, but the language itself is a hackers dream. They made some improvements in PHP 5 and PHP 6 is supposed to be even better, so PHP 6 may actually be worth using IF you can be assured that it's configured properly at the server level (php.ini). Still the "easy" philosophy of PHP isn't likely to change any time soon, so expect them to keep choosing "easy" over "powerful", "fast", or "secure". Still in PHP 6, someone who is pretty much clueless can write a script which seems to work just fine - until it takes down the server two months later. Overall, PHP, like Legos, is perfect for someone who doesn't know who to actually build real things to build a model of something, or for extremely simple tasks. I once built an automatic stirrer using Legos. It took five minutes to snap toghether and I didn't have to stand there stirring the pot for 30 minutes. It wasn't solidly built and didn't need to be. It just needed to be built quickly and easily. A perfect job for Legos or PHP. Perl really does need to release Perl 6 someday, but there's a reason it reigned supreme as THE language for web development until so may scripts started being written by non-programmers using "super easy" PHP. Actually, there are several reasons why it was king for so long, and is still used so much. Perl's stated standard is to "make things as easy as possible, but no easier!" This makes Perl simple, but powerful. You may have seen those cell phones for seniors with just four buttons, so you can call four people. Each button dials one of your four contacts. They are super easy - kind of like PHP. Perl is like a phone with twelve buttons - ten numbers, a contact list, and a select button. Yeah, twelve buttons are SLIGHTLY harder than four, but the Perl phone let's you dial a phone number if you know the number you want to call. Perl may just barely harder to learn, maybe not any harder at all to learn the actual language. When it comes to specific tasks, such as database access, Perl allows you to take five minutes to learn what MySQL actually IS before using it, so you can use it more effectively than you can from PHP and have a more powerful, faster running piece of software. Some Perl programmers who actually know something seem pretty interested in Ruby on Rails, so it certainly may be worth looking at since you have some Perl background. I've looked at it only briefly and didn't see any reason to spend any more time with it, yet. It's not available on all web servers, of course, so any software that you want other people to be able to use pretty much needs to be done in Perl or PHP. |
Voted for PHP :)
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Other - Java, kinda strange it's not on your list...
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perl, php, and some python. Been working in objective-c to code mac and iPhone stuff.
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I love PHP, is the best :)
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since everyone is so php ... I need someone that could do a mod on a directory program like LinkX
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Python all the way. I used to use PHP heavily but after picking up python and building quite a few web based applications with it, I use it for everything now. You can build desktop applications, web applications, command line scripts etc., all with the same programming language. (yes you can do command line ith php etc too, but its just not the same :))
I still support and manage a lot of PHP apps that I have written over the years, but Python is definitely the only way I will go in the future. |
My efforts to learn programming have had the following results
Perl - fail - ugly language, not fun to read so not fun to learn PHP - fail - ugly to read and lots of fluffy syntax C - fail - compiling nonstop for simplist programs not a good starter language Python - success - easy to read easy to learn good starter language Mind you the path to programming all the languages is similar the overall theory involved, loops etc and blah blah. But it's the little things that will determine whats the best language to actually learn how to program with, for me it's python. Its a robust language with an extensive set of tools, which can do everything from scripting servers to creating servers. Its got alot more potential than people give it credit for. And its actively developed. So toot toot for python! |
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