Extreme John
 

Just thought you might like to know that this join page is screwed up. http://www.pantyhoseandpanties.com/t...ideon/join.htm

-- Gideon

I hope this will work fine because it is going up with the Hun soon..
http://www.bigshoesandboots.com/t1/c...gifan/join.htm

later, can't wait to pick up mom

|bananna| |bananna| |bananna|

Re: Extreme John
 

Thanks for the heads up ( gideon ) it will get fixed asap

hey nathan , where you boyz been hiding out ??
i don't see you guys post anymore |smooch|
say hi to john

Hey webgurl even though I dont post much I stop by all the time just to see whats going on, as far as John goes he working on opening his second tanning salon, so he's had his hands full for the last few months.

I must do something well this time lol but your sites convert like crazy this time and my gallery is not up yet with the Hun..

Total 124 123 2 1:61.. so 1:61 is what I call an excellent conversion rate.

|shake| |waves|

Hey everyone, looks like Nate got it taken care of (knew he would handle it) :).

Whats going on Webgurl, hope everything has been going well.

Digi, very happy to see the excellent conversions keep rockin |bananna|

Well I guess this is an example of why you like only showing second page unique count...

People will post crap like this and other webmasters with no clue are suckered in too

I am sick of sponsor programs that think they can dupe webmasters. There is no reason why an affiliate program should not provide a proper raw hit count imho... unless they want to mislead the webmaster or hide shaving that is.

Is there some other reason than those two that your program does not provide proper count figures John?

Awwww shucks wilber......


1) We are hardly the first, last or ONLY webmaster program that currently counts second page traffic, as a matter of fact I can easily name 4 others right now, however I wont because I dont need to, search around and youll figure it out.

2) As far as "People will post crap like this and other webmasters with no clue are suckered in too", Looks like all this particular person posted was something like this:

Originally posted by Extreme John
Hey everyone, looks like Nate got it taken care of (knew he would handle it) .

Whats going on Webgurl, hope everything has been going well.

Digi, very happy to see the excellent conversions keep rockin

In this particular persons statement, I dont remember refrencing you, or any other "webmasters (except for the 3 particular people I was speaking to), therefor as far as me "Suckering" any "Webmasters", it seems you might be a bit confused and im glad I was able to help straighten that out.

3) "I am sick of sponsor programs that think they can dupe webmasters. There is no reason why an affiliate program should not provide a proper raw hit count imho... unless they want to mislead the webmaster or hide shaving that is." I would like to start off on this one by saying, usually when people are "Sick" they are also "Tired", so it should read "Sick and Tired", either way if your that sick of something perhaps instead of riffeling off with general statments you should do something about it, as for "Duping" webmasters, I would like to correct you, you see if we (or any other program) were "Duping" webmasters it would mean we wouldnt tell you we count second page hits, we would Hide it, sneak around about it, point fingers at those of you that were in fact "Duped", thats not the case here watch:
WE COUNT SECOND PAGE HITS, is that clear? Wouldnt want anyone to feel duped. As for the rest of your statement, ive been around long enough, I wont referance your "Shaving" statement, because I have better things to do.

Opti, last but not least in referance to this:
Is there some other reason than those two that your program does not provide proper count figures John?

We do provide proper count figures, as we count second page hits, one main reason for this is, that our main page tour designs are very agressive with plenty of links to get a surfer to the next or join pages (agressive by most standards) to be honest Opti, I dont know you, or your site personally, im sure you work hard at whatever it is that you do, what I will tell you is, ive used 100's of programs, and still do, the next thing I will tell you is that I NEVER sat around and concerned myself over little details, if the bottom line, cash, and checks coming is was large enough, I continued moving forward, I never sat around working myself into a lather about what sponsors were doing, it's a waste of time and energy, if you dont like how we do something Opti, no disrespect but dont use us, your not the freedom fighter for all webmaster alike, so your assumptions and point's youve tried to make here or may make in the future will probably fall short, webmasters are intelligent, energetic and certainly competent enough to handle their own business affairs and come to their own conclusions.

Let me ask you this, in the case of Digi who I referenced in my initial post... let's assume we counted first page hits what would Digi's ratio be? 1:120??? maybe 1:240, fuck it Ill even go as high as 1:500 (over 5x the actual true number), would she be mad?? pissed??? unhappy???? Probably not thats still a pretty damn good number by all means.

Glad I could help.

Other people do it so it's Ok? Why don't you just show us what you are counting as being sent from us? That was the question.

Oh Shit sorry Mr. Extreme John Sir... I mistook this for a public message board... does everyone need your ok to participate now?

Your MO is to run around skiting about your conversion ratios... This guy posted your figures and you used it as a marketing tool... You are NOT like many others.. you use this deception to your advantage regularly.

And you ARE NOT honest about it... you clearly label the hits column RAW in your stats... why not display the raw count there? Not a good look for your marketing? That is deceptive in my book.

I said what I meant... you are good at twisting things it seems..
YOR STATS SAY THE COUNT IS RAW which is a LIE... is that clear too?

Bullshit away John... those that know me know that shaving is NOT a personal issue of mine.... What you show IS NOT a proper count.. it's not comparable at all from one webmaster to another... You can count how many surefers we send cant you? That is the PROPER figure to fit under your column that says RAW..

What would Digi's ratio be????? It would be correct!

Opti, first off I answered your question, you think since you took the time to quote me you would know what my answer was.

No, not everyone needs my OK to post... BUT my point was that this thread and my response had 1) nothing to do with you, and 2) nothing whatsoever to do with your little mis-fired attack.

As for my "MO" (thats cute), is to run around, talk about being clear you tell me where I run around bosting numbers, show me posts, show me posts that I have been specifically involved in anytime in the last two or three months where I specifically throw my "MO" around and bost conversion numbers, you wont be able to, because if you had your facts straight I havent even personally been on the boards for the last few months (until about a week ago HERE), so your cool MO statement is off base, not to mention even before that, I wasnt the type to bost conversion numbers, I simply congratulated the people that were doing well with the program and offered to help those that werent doing so well with the program.

I use deception to my advantage regularly, I was going to try and be professional about this whole thing, but fuck that, bottom line your pulling shit about me out of your ass, I havent done shit "Regularly" because I havent been around, dont use general statements to try and sound more intelligent, I suggest sticking to your initial point which is in fact that we dont display 1st page raw hits, dont make general statements that are flat out bullshit and than try and call me or my program on bullshit, because it exposes you for what you really are.

As for not a good look for my marketing im going to be honest with you, people develope their very own honest opinions, regardless of one's marketing or not, as you have, and others have right? Bottom line if we arent doing something that you feel is a benefit to you, DONT USE US. How many times do I have to say it?

The fact is this Opti, perhaps if you would have approached this matter in a more proffesional, less self opinionated fashion I would have taken you more seriously, if you wouldnt have made it a blind sided attempt & attack to make a point in a thread that had nothing to do with you or the hit tracking of Extreme Paychecks than perhaps I would even pay more than $.2 worth of attention to you and your plea's or take you somewhat serious, but because of your failure to do that, I wont take you serious, I wont even for one second pay attention to what you say because your statements are full of false accusations about what I have "Recently", or "Regularly" been doing, fact is Junior I havent regularly done shit, with anything on the adult side.

You made your point, you got it out there, you vented, your the man. Now go play.