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grandmascrotum -RE"How do you know these sex acts are real?" - OK, not every single one, but most of them. When I had a "bricks and mortar" business selling videos, lingerie, costumes, and "roll play" items I spent a lot of time with my customers discussing their turn ons (basically, if I did not have other customers waiting, and I found a customer willing to talk about it (surprisingly more would talk about it than refused) I would ask them outright about their sexual turn-ons, it both helped as "customer research" and also made the customers think that I was trying to please them, plus talking made them think of me as a friend, so more liable to come back). Believe me, some of the things the women said they liked were even worse than the things you have read here.

RE : "There's a difference between personally finding something disturbing and saying that it is wrong. It's my right to find things disturbing." Yes but that right does not include the right to cause other's suffering by shouting that belief from the rooftops. For example, you are Australian, and I could have furthered my point about sexism my saying that every Australian women I have spoken to over here on the subject has said that they preferred English men to Australian men because All Australian men are so sexist, but I didn't, because I did not think it was an appropriate thing to say here.

RE : "There's a difference between personally finding something disturbing and saying that it is wrong." My point entirely, but your (and you are not alone in this) earlier posts did the latter.

RE : your comments on my statement "And as to true cruelty to women, mental cruelty is a lot worse than physical cruelty." I was going by articles written by doctors, psychiatrists, and people who run shelters for abused women. All three groups are more qualified in this field than either of us, and yes they do say that mental cruelty is a lot worse than physical cruelty.

RE:"And are you seriously saying that what I've written about this is somehow worse than the shit on that list?" Yes, but don't take my word on it, look up what the experts say

RE: "That me saying that I think our hypothetical woman that enjoys being beaten and raped is somehow going to be offended that I find her behaviour disturbing." It is not offending her that is the problem, it is the fact that you are denigrating her (difficult to explain, again read what the experts say, they can explain it better than me).

Cleo - We were, the non consensual stuff only came up when I used a quote from grandmascrotum and they (understandably) wanted to defend the post.