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Old 2005-07-14, 11:17 AM   #24
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As you may or may not be aware, Toronto is a multi-cultural melting pot. And since I have lived here for the majority of my life, I have made several friends from different nationalities. Some of them are even muslims too. And the way they talk about the situation in the middle east is that they are happy that there is an American presence there. Most of these middle eastern rulers have autocratic and dictatorial tendencies, which involve romantic notions to rule the world. They have no regard for what the Quoran was 'really' all about and they have felt that America has threatened the progression of the "Islamic" movement for a very long time. Apparently, these radical leaders believe that they must make the world muslim and that they don't have much time to do so. Ask any Christian or Jew that used to live in these predominant muslim countries and they will tell you they were mistreated far worse than anyone of us could ever imagine.

I had this Iraqi friend who is Roman Catholic and was quite affluent actually while living there just northwest of Baghdad. In the last 15 years, the government of Iraq had managed to seize all of his land (and not via tax evasion or any other bullshit) but it was just because he wasn't muslim actually, and most of his liquid assets that he had had in various Banks of Iraq; basically they told him to get the fuck out or die. He even went on to say that the Jews of Iraq were not even given time to leave in most cases.

My point is this: dictators and autocrats don't give a fuck about the Western world nor our way of life or various free lifestyles. As a matter of fact, they see our various way of life as a threat to their OWN existence and mandate! And the middle east is not the only extremist society out there that feels this way, by the way.

Why should the US leave the middle east? Why should these assholes be allowed to build momentum for a cause that threatens to shatter YOUR very existence? Let me give an example below of the muslim mandate and what they are capable of doing to a free living society.

When Islamic Turks seized control of Constantinople and the rest of Greece in 1453, they plunged the Greeks into a dark-age period that forced the people of Greece to be Turkish slaves. All the beautiful youth were forced to marry powerful muslim "dictators" or their family members, or suffer death, ridicule, persecution or torture. Any and all wealth or assets had to be transferred over to the Emirs or Effendis of Turkey and essentially for the next 368 years the Greeks had to be ruled by the Turks on their own soil. Over time, the crown jewel city of Constantinople became Istanbul, churches were desecrated, people beheaded, assets seized, and eventually, the complete expulsion of a people from what is now Western Turkey back into mainland Greece, forever lamenting not taking action against the Turks when they were still small enough to be conquered. All this happened because the once powerful Greek Empire chose to ignore an up and coming radical movement and let them build momentum and eventually get overthrown and ruled by these outsiders. This is what happens when a "free" western society chooses to do nothing and allow another more fanatic group to grow, prosper and take pot shots at us.

I, personally, hope that an American presence is never removed from the middle east. America represents freedom, not just here in America, but also for the little people around the globe that are oppressed everyday of their poor little lives. As long as there is still an America, people are safe, everywhere. IF America ever goes down, remember what I told you about what happened to Greece in 1453.
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