thanx,! i am doing pretty good and try a lot of different things, and gave up on sleep hehe. part-time in this business seems to be 12 hours a day plus a day job lol. luckly my day job i am basically self-employed and well known for what i do so i can work sometimes later etc, no real set schedule as long as i get my work done. Well, i have only been doing the adult business serious since may of this year and i am moving quick, but the answers are pretty encouraging. i don't even need 20k a month or 5 3k+ would be ok with some side-lines. and overall i convert at least once a day, sometimes none for a few and then a bunch in one day, but it seems to be getting more regular and never a surprise anymore, more like i can predict it and sort of assume a certain amount per month. i guess i am just at the level were i feel stuck and am trying to get to the next level but it hasen't even been a year, so i am definatley in for the long haul. i never saw it as a get rich quick scheme lol. i real did extremely well at yahoo building and promoting my groups which gave me the idea to make money at it and then i started researching and building. it definatley does seem to pay to try new things i have been doing a lot of crazy one-page wonders and capitalizing off the news this past few weeks and sales are much better than the standard 4-page free site routine. but i am gonna build some more of thoose. shit i am going on to long hehe|rasta| anyway thanx for the input!