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Originally Posted by RawAlex
Sundiver, about a year ago, a discussion here lead to the revealing of a single host name that was banned. Within hours, certain webmaster chat boards were filled with ways to get around the ban, how to set up other name servers, the host tried to contract out boxes on another host to move people, etc. It wasn't to stop the reasons that they would have been banned for, but instead to help the exact set of cheaters that were banned to work their way around the blocks. They were not going to make their sites better, remove the toolbar downloaders, the geo redirections, or re-install the images that 404ed to console hell, but they were sure going to try to trick us into listing their shit sites again.
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Originally Posted by Linkster
As far as the boards that were plotting how to get around the LL rules - I personally read a few of them - after translating of course  and I can vouch for what Alex posted - and you would be amazed at some things I learned from their posts.
I can tell you that one host went so far as to post here saying they were cleaning up the cheaters - then went and tried to redirect all of the nameservers to different hosting companies - so Alex knows what he is talking about |
I know what I'm talking about too, because I'm pretty sure I know what boards you're talking about. I remember those topics on GG&J and on those boards... btw, I guess I have even more clear idea about topics on those boards as far as I don't need a translation to read them =)
as I remeber that posts they were made by (and for) honest webmasters which were concerned about banning their hosting. as for cheaters all of them know all the easy technologies you're talking about. I wonder that you found something new for you there.
moving to another hosting is not such a good idea for many of Russian webmasters as far as not all of us has credit cards to pay for a us/eu hosting. Russian hosting providers offer more convinient payment ways for Russian webmasters. so whatever you think about it, not everybody who wanted to change their nameservers, ips, etc are cheaters. not all of them or even non of them wanted to redirect your traffic, put consoles on their sites, and so on.
I do not protect those hosting providers and probably you had more than valid grounds to ban them, I just wanna explain you the situation as it is seen from other side.
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Originally Posted by Linkster
I dont know where you are getting your information but I can guarantee you that every link list owner I know of - which is a little over 100 of the top link lists - has a host ban list - and so does just about every large TGP out there - and we do occasionally talk about it with each other. It would be stupid for us to not have a ban list - especially when in the past when we didnt look at hosts - we were spending 5-6 hours a day cleaning up sites that cheaters had submitted - and guess what - they all came from the same hosts
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maybe they have such lists, but maybe they also use some more flexible approach to this, because I know a lot of webmasters who use 3fn, hqhost , etc and get listed on most big link lists.