I had fun listening to that podcast (though I only seen a couple episode of Buffy, I know there an ugly vamp in there named Halfreck), aired a bit before Danny Sullivan announced he's leaving Search Engine Watch.
The following podcast featuring Vanessa Fox
(pic) and Matt Cutts caused a stir among some people like Aaron Wall who (apparently in all seriousness) accused Matt of
"equating" SEOs with criminals when Matt said (paraphrasing here) SEOs hacking into other people's servers to inject spam into their websites is crossing the line.