[creamxtreme]

DD this was a question jsut a question nothing more. And MrMaryLou came in talking about pissing people off. The thread now took a turn to another subject. "Pissing people off and making friends".

Yes, I understand about hard working webmasters. I am one myself. No I do not have a Biz-model that uses nor requires an AS. I tried to be as clear as possible about the whole thing, when asking if you "that's anyone" would use auto submitters and if given the right one, participate in a new one.

Unlike many here, there are webmasters who do not mind them. And the only way to find out who they are is to ask. And if asking is a problem and it causes someone to get P.O.'d then what happened to the openness and freindliness of the board. You know questions are not asked to "piss people off".

Jaden you are right in many ways. I agree with you on respecting credibility and reputation. And I fully understand your methodology, especially where you want to design your site to pay off handsomely. But no-matter where you are who your site is housed with, you can spend countless hours designing your site and you want it to bring a return for your efforts, certainly no-one wants this to go down in vain.

DrSmut "freinds" are cool especially if you have them all over the world. But we are here to make contacts. Learn the biz and ultimately come to a point in our lives where we live comfortably, making a living out of this business. But to learn and grow, there must be discussions and even if those subjects are contriversial, they still must be discussed.

I can name at least 10 LL's that accept auto submits, so they are not dead in the water. Unfortunately as DD points out, there is a lot of abuse associated with the use of them and many do not accept them. Each of us have our own opinion, and we are entitled to it.

But you know just cause you do not like a subject, go dig up dirt on someone, then start to personally attack them. This is a falicious argument and only steals away from the heart of the subject.

My dirt suppposedly is CreamXtra.com, which incidentally was accepted by many LL's from what I am told here. When I first started submitting I was not aware of the fact that Revshare was a free host. This site got submitted to several LL's. Once I was aware of it, I made every effort to contact those LL's who it was submitted to.

Now to clarify this, for the sake of argument, hosting at Revshare is paid for by the sponsors. In return for this, "hosting of your website", you agree to forfeit some of your earnings the sponsor would normally pay you directly. I seen nothing wrong with this.

Yet, by all accounts Revshare seems to be a Free Host to many LL owners. Once I was aware of this, again, I made every effort to contact the owners of the LL's to discuss this matter with them.

Some answered many did not. The reason for my contacting them was so that my name and my email address along with this site would not get banned. No one is immune from mistakes and mistakes are made sometimes by misinterpretation, or misunderstandings.

But if you look at this site and some of the work I have done there, you will see I put much effort into it. I never finished it cause I took a different route and began different projects, it is still a possibilty that I may finish it, but for larger LL's I see there is no way that their visitors will benefit from it, SADLY, they will not accept Revshare hosted sites.

Now as for the concept of my AS that I was developing is to attrack submitters with this software. Each of us as LL owners, has a return page, offered up, once a submitter finishes his/her submissions. On this return page, we offer the submitter other LL's to submit to. My idea was to allow those submitters an opportunity to autosubmit to friends sites or to sites who have chosen to be part of the AS package.

In most instances, this return or final page after submission is not accessible through anyone's browser without going through a submission. So it reduces the chance of cheats, using it to abuse anyone's site. Additionally, if placed inside a .htaccess protected folder, no-one can access the script outside of each webmasters own site who would use it.

No website submission form within this AS package would be there without permission of the LL owner themselves. It was designed to benefit LL owners and their submitters alike. Not to be detrimental to anyone's system, by having Kooks get their hands on it and pulverize someones' system with endless submits.

My own LL would be included and I would certainly not want to be bombarded by some of the BS I already receive now, nor would I appreciate an increase of this activity. In fact, in my own personal belief, using it in it's proper perspective, it would reduce the incidence of abuse, many of us witness at the present moment.

I hear many of you and your distaste against AS's, but if there are any who agree with the concept of them, I would like to hear from you also.

Nick

P.S. If you received a submission from me which included the websites, creamxtra and creamx, and believe that Revshare is not for you please, purge your database of these sites. I apologize for my Greenness, when I first started submitting.

If however, you do not mind Revshare Hosted Freesites, them please let me know. I have plenty of material to share with you and your visitors.