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Simon · 2010-06-30, 02:42 PM

I do use free sites because they work for me. But I find it takes more than a little work to get a decent return from them. I submit one version of the free site to Link Lists. I use another version for my internal network. I do submit galleries, but not as they are since I use galleries that are designed to work together. I usually combine the two galleries into one, which I then submit to a handful of TGP sites. When I make blog posts featuring that content I either link to the free site's main page or give the readers links to both galleries in the free site.

I use them for direct sales of paysite memberships, pay per view sales, and to drive traffic back to my main sites via one of the links on somewhere between 2 and 4 of the free site pages. I try to use good text, titles, etc and I do get most of the sites and the galleries indexed by Google and other SEs.

The biggest waste of time (for me) is submitting to more than a few Link Lists. I'm down to just 24 LLs from well over 100 that I used to submit to. And I could drop more than half of those without losing more than 2% of the total incoming traffic I get from LLs.

The thing is, I'd really like to submit to 100+ Link List again, but there's no way to justify the time spent submitting for the return gotten. Too many different scripts with different login pages, submission forms, required fields, captchas that expire if you don't submit fast enough (and are too hard to read until you reload the page a few times to get an easier to read one), different amounts of text that can be used for the Title and Description (some only allowing 3 word titles or 60 character descriptions), etc.

I have a very simple suggestion for the hundreds of Link Lists which don't have anywhere near the traffic of the top 6-8 Link Lists. Put your heads together and work out some kind of central submission page where a free site builder can submit to *ALL* of the smaller LLs from one page with one click.

Get cd34/Sparky to help devise the backend needed to dump the submissions into your databases, and have them auto-approved for trusted submitters. Maybe even get MrMaryLou to review the sites put into the central submissions page so you know the free site is a good one since the best reviewer in the biz already reviewed it.

Collect a few dollars from each LL owner to pay Sparky something, and pay MML for reviewing. You'll wind up with lots of new submissions to keep your listings fresh. Then spend all the saved reviewing time working *hard* on building traffic.

Right now it's a losing proposition to spend time making more versions of each site to submit to all the decent but low-traffic LLs out there. But free site builders would build a lot more free sites a lot more often if they knew that once they finished building they could submit to 100 Link Lists with 5-10 minutes of work.

Or don't do anything to make it easier for free site builders to submit and watch the submissions dry up all together on the smaller LLs before long.

Just my opinion of course, so feel free to ignore this idea ... if you have a better one.

2010-06-30, 02:42 PM	#6
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	I do use free sites because they work for me. But I find it takes more than a little work to get a decent return from them. I submit one version of the free site to Link Lists. I use another version for my internal network. I do submit galleries, but not as they are since I use galleries that are designed to work together. I usually combine the two galleries into one, which I then submit to a handful of TGP sites. When I make blog posts featuring that content I either link to the free site's main page or give the readers links to both galleries in the free site. I use them for direct sales of paysite memberships, pay per view sales, and to drive traffic back to my main sites via one of the links on somewhere between 2 and 4 of the free site pages. I try to use good text, titles, etc and I do get most of the sites and the galleries indexed by Google and other SEs. The biggest waste of time (for me) is submitting to more than a few Link Lists. I'm down to just 24 LLs from well over 100 that I used to submit to. And I could drop more than half of those without losing more than 2% of the total incoming traffic I get from LLs. The thing is, I'd really like to submit to 100+ Link List again, but there's no way to justify the time spent submitting for the return gotten. Too many different scripts with different login pages, submission forms, required fields, captchas that expire if you don't submit fast enough (and are too hard to read until you reload the page a few times to get an easier to read one), different amounts of text that can be used for the Title and Description (some only allowing 3 word titles or 60 character descriptions), etc. I have a very simple suggestion for the hundreds of Link Lists which don't have anywhere near the traffic of the top 6-8 Link Lists. Put your heads together and work out some kind of central submission page where a free site builder can submit to ALL of the smaller LLs from one page with one click. Get cd34/Sparky to help devise the backend needed to dump the submissions into your databases, and have them auto-approved for trusted submitters. Maybe even get MrMaryLou to review the sites put into the central submissions page so you know the free site is a good one since the best reviewer in the biz already reviewed it. Collect a few dollars from each LL owner to pay Sparky something, and pay MML for reviewing. You'll wind up with lots of new submissions to keep your listings fresh. Then spend all the saved reviewing time working hard on building traffic. Right now it's a losing proposition to spend time making more versions of each site to submit to all the decent but low-traffic LLs out there. But free site builders would build a lot more free sites a lot more often if they knew that once they finished building they could submit to 100 Link Lists with 5-10 minutes of work. Or don't do anything to make it easier for free site builders to submit and watch the submissions dry up all together on the smaller LLs before long. Just my opinion of course, so feel free to ignore this idea ... if you have a better one. __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka Last edited by Simon; 2010-06-30 at 02:45 PM..