[Extreme John]

Awwww shucks wilber......


1) We are hardly the first, last or ONLY webmaster program that currently counts second page traffic, as a matter of fact I can easily name 4 others right now, however I wont because I dont need to, search around and youll figure it out.

2) As far as "People will post crap like this and other webmasters with no clue are suckered in too", Looks like all this particular person posted was something like this:

Originally posted by Extreme John
Hey everyone, looks like Nate got it taken care of (knew he would handle it) .

Whats going on Webgurl, hope everything has been going well.

Digi, very happy to see the excellent conversions keep rockin

In this particular persons statement, I dont remember refrencing you, or any other "webmasters (except for the 3 particular people I was speaking to), therefor as far as me "Suckering" any "Webmasters", it seems you might be a bit confused and im glad I was able to help straighten that out.

3) "I am sick of sponsor programs that think they can dupe webmasters. There is no reason why an affiliate program should not provide a proper raw hit count imho... unless they want to mislead the webmaster or hide shaving that is." I would like to start off on this one by saying, usually when people are "Sick" they are also "Tired", so it should read "Sick and Tired", either way if your that sick of something perhaps instead of riffeling off with general statments you should do something about it, as for "Duping" webmasters, I would like to correct you, you see if we (or any other program) were "Duping" webmasters it would mean we wouldnt tell you we count second page hits, we would Hide it, sneak around about it, point fingers at those of you that were in fact "Duped", thats not the case here watch:
WE COUNT SECOND PAGE HITS, is that clear? Wouldnt want anyone to feel duped. As for the rest of your statement, ive been around long enough, I wont referance your "Shaving" statement, because I have better things to do.

Opti, last but not least in referance to this:
Is there some other reason than those two that your program does not provide proper count figures John?

We do provide proper count figures, as we count second page hits, one main reason for this is, that our main page tour designs are very agressive with plenty of links to get a surfer to the next or join pages (agressive by most standards) to be honest Opti, I dont know you, or your site personally, im sure you work hard at whatever it is that you do, what I will tell you is, ive used 100's of programs, and still do, the next thing I will tell you is that I NEVER sat around and concerned myself over little details, if the bottom line, cash, and checks coming is was large enough, I continued moving forward, I never sat around working myself into a lather about what sponsors were doing, it's a waste of time and energy, if you dont like how we do something Opti, no disrespect but dont use us, your not the freedom fighter for all webmaster alike, so your assumptions and point's youve tried to make here or may make in the future will probably fall short, webmasters are intelligent, energetic and certainly competent enough to handle their own business affairs and come to their own conclusions.

Let me ask you this, in the case of Digi who I referenced in my initial post... let's assume we counted first page hits what would Digi's ratio be? 1:120??? maybe 1:240, fuck it Ill even go as high as 1:500 (over 5x the actual true number), would she be mad?? pissed??? unhappy???? Probably not thats still a pretty damn good number by all means.

Glad I could help.