Attention all Link List owners

[JenC]

While blogs are quickly becoming a bigger prescence in our industry, I am suggesting that you accept them to your link list. They oftentimes are very frequently updated with new, free content (such as mine does). To me it's just another version of a free site.

Also in regards to recips. Blogs aren't regular HTML just like free sites, in order to make a recip it's just a text link or even a "chicklet" as they're called.

This is a chicklet:
http://www.blogscanada.ca/images/blogsCan.gif

They go down the side of the page.

What do you think about accepting blogs? What is your hesitation? Blogs get better search engine rankings than freesites sometimes, so what do you have to lose?

Interested in hearing feedback from all link list owners.

[Ann Omness]

We already have a Blogs category. And I agree with you, I'd rather see my recip on a blog than on any regular free site.

[JenC]

Then I'm adding my site now.

[Verbal]

Well, I have no problems with accepting blogs. I just haven't had any blog submissions and am not sure if there are enough adult blogs that would be submitted to justify creating a new category. So I'd probably list them under "Other Link Sites" for now I'm thinking.

[dareutwo]

JenC - (marks) still in the wait and see mode on blogs, probably until some descent authoritative (sp?) porn bloggers appear over the next year or so, if ever. I just haven't seen the reasoning. When is the last time you read the 5/24/03 New York Times?
Blogs may be useful on a LL, tgp or paysite, but for a free site, I don't see the point.

(jays) - not my call - if he adds it, I'll list them

[JenC]

Well here's your response to "I don't know if there's enough blogs out there"

http://www.top-blogs.com/adultsonly.shtml

There are over 165 on this toplist.

[dareutwo]

JenC - never mind... LOL
Mis read what you said. My mistake, thinking it over.

[Verbal]

JenC, I know there are a lot of porn blogs, but I'm just wondering how many of these would get submitted (haven't had one yet) to LL's. Plus blogs have a high tendency of getting abandoned once the owner realizes how much work it is, heheh. So, I'm in the "wait and see" mode too atm..

[ronnie]

I have no problem adding blogs, long as I have a recip.

Actually been meaning to add a blog catagory, probably do it in the next day or two.

I agree, I'd rather have links on blogs, than on free sites myself.

ronnie

[swedguy]

When I get back home on Sunday-Monday I will add a blog category

[MadMax]

I've been considering for some time. ATM I'll list blogs in a category (where appropriate) or in the "Link Sites" cat. Thus far I've only had one blog submitted and it fit nicely into a category, so I haven't had much motivation to go towards a separate cat yet.

[LowryBigwood]

I've got a blog category you can submit to, but I haven't yet made a recip for them, maybe I should do that now.

[RawAlex]

I was looking at adding a "blogs" section considering that my front page now has a link to the findpics blog. I have some seriously mixed feelings on accepting blogs into my main lists, though, as they are not exactly what I was originally looking for. I am also not sure that the standard "title - description" would really cover blogs properly.

Plus, creating a blog in theory is VERY easy, but in reality most people are just not up to writing anything. They have little real writing skills, don't have a plan or goal for the blog, and as a result, don't put up a quality product. As link sites for the most part use fairly objective standards for listing sites (number of pics, banners, return links, etc) I am stuck trying to figure out HOW to measure a blog properly. With hundreds of blogs out there, I don't want to be linking crap.

We also get into the "free hosted blog" problem. If you have a blog on blogspot or other, is that comparable to a free porn host? Would a third level (blog.yourdomain.com) be acceptable when freeporn.yourdomain.com wouldn't be when listing free sites?

At the end of the day, what is quality, and what is just verbal diarrhea?

Alex

[Opti]

I almost knew what I thought... until Alex's post sent me back to definitely unsure again. :p

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I was looking at adding a "blogs" section considering that my front page now has a link to the findpics blog. I have some seriously mixed feelings on accepting blogs into my main lists, though, as they are not exactly what I was originally looking for. I am also not sure that the standard "title - description" would really cover blogs properly.

Plus, creating a blog in theory is VERY easy, but in reality most people are just not up to writing anything. They have little real writing skills, don't have a plan or goal for the blog, and as a result, don't put up a quality product. As link sites for the most part use fairly objective standards for listing sites (number of pics, banners, return links, etc) I am stuck trying to figure out HOW to measure a blog properly. With hundreds of blogs out there, I don't want to be linking crap.

We also get into the "free hosted blog" problem. If you have a blog on blogspot or other, is that comparable to a free porn host? Would a third level (blog.yourdomain.com) be acceptable when freeporn.yourdomain.com wouldn't be when listing free sites?

At the end of the day, what is quality, and what is just verbal diarrhea?

Alex

To me it would be similar to reviewing a free site, the quality of it. Content would be the writing itself. Probably would'nt take much reading to see if it's any good. Then again, your kinda throwing out the rules you'd use for a free site.

As for free hosted blog, I think they are like free hosting, not going to take them. Some one takes the time to get a domain, install and set up a blog script, might be more apt to keep it up.

Seems a blog would be very subjective as far as reviewing goes.

Just my two cents...

ronnie

[Ann Omness]

I've reviewed thousands of blogs over the past couple of years for another website and I've probably seen everything. The most common mistake I've seen with adult blogs is the absence of writing. People think that blogs are magical search engine magnets or something. If there is not frequently updated text for the search engines to spider, the blog is worthless. I see a lot of sites done with blogging software that are nothing but sample pics linked to sponsors. Even if they update every day, there's still nothing for the search engines to index. Those blogs never gain any pagerank.

My rule of thumb is: if you don't write in your blog, it isn't a blog. It doesn't matter what you write about as long as you're writing and feeding the spiders. The blog services that offer free hosting dedicated to blogs have been very stable, so I don't have a problem with blogs hosted at blogspot or blog-city or what not. As far as the quality of the writing, why should I care? It doesn't cost me anything to accept the link. It's good for THEM if they write interesting stuff, because they'll develop a regular readership. Sticky is always good. But the only thing that matters to me as a list owner is having my recip on a page that gets search engine traffic. The search engines don't care if the writing is good, only that there's something there to feed the spiders.

[ronnie]

Ya, I agree, seems most adult blogs lately are really glorified tgp's, from what I've seen. Just links to galleries and pics. I'd rather see the writing. least descent writing.

I hear of people getting so many hits to their blogs, well if you give away a bunch of free porn, you will get traffic, but what kind of traffic is it?

But writing something of interest instead could get the bots and better quality traffic.

ronnie

[RawAlex]

But what is a blog, really, except a personal log? For the most part, they were started by people who do "this or that" and what to talk about what they are working on and such. I can remember reading VERY early ones off of bluesnews.com for game development back in, oh, 97 or 98. Game designers and programmers would go on and on about their latest programming accomplishments, what they are working on, development schedules, and such.

By the nature of the porn business, we who build porn sites would report what we do, i guess.

I am not sure that I would really want to link to a bunch of people expressing opinions on politics or sports. We are in the porn business, not the politics business.

Alex

[Opti]

I see Alex's point... but I actually would like some of those blogs linking me too. But then again, a good blog is going to drag a surfers away from the network.. it's way off the basic plan... show em freesites.


Good post Ann!

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Ann Omness

As far as the quality of the writing, why should I care? It doesn't cost me anything to accept the link. It's good for THEM if they write interesting stuff, because they'll develop a regular readership. Sticky is always good. But the only thing that matters to me as a list owner is having my recip on a page that gets search engine traffic.

But don't link lists build their reputation by linking to quality sites? Isn't that why they have rules? I'm pretty sure that most link lists owner would argue that they look far beyond whether or not there is a link back.

I think it would be better to for link listers to create their own blogs on their lists, then do some cross-linking from it to other blogs, rather than including blogs in their main listings. But then that creates even more work on one's daily schedule.

I installed a blog script on my WhoringWives TGP a while back, but haven't touched it in some time. I'm not sure I even have it linked from the main site anymore. http://www.whoringwives.com/wives_tales/
But that's what I intend on doing with the main page of Filthy Earl. I'll run the (almost) daily updated blog in my left column while leaving the category links and descriptions in the right. I'm just wondering if it would be better to put it on it's own page.

[Ann Omness]

I don't really care what the topic of the blog is. If somebody wants to list a sports blog with me and the description makes it clear what it is, I'll take it. If somebody clicks on it, it's because they wanted to see it. My link on their blog is probably worth more than their link on my list. Isn't mainstream traffic better than "looking for free porn" traffic? Traffic goes both ways. A good blog doesn't necessarily "drag surfers away from the network," as Opti put it. It could just as easily bring fresh surfers into the network. I have a blogs category because I want blog traffic. That's completely selfish of me and I'll understand if none of the other LL owners want a piece of that.

[Ms Naughty]

I had a blog submitted to me a couple of weeks ago, it was mainly photos, and it made me start this thread:
http://greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=16960
contemplating the issue of where these "picture" blogs get their content. Half the time the pics seem to be hotlinked or used without permission or licence.

So I think that when it comes to porn picture blogs, it's a murky area. You would definitely want to have defined rules about what can and can't be used.

I run a blog about porn for women on my Ms Naughty Linklist and as UW says, that may be the best place for links rather than a separate category. Still... I might have to give it some more thought, come up with official guidelines.

These might be along the lines of:
1. It has to be related to sex (and to women, as my linklist is for women)
2. It has to be updated regularly... say once every 2 weeks at the latest
3. Any photos used must be licenced

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Ann Omness

I don't really care what the topic of the blog is. If somebody wants to list a sports blog with me and the description makes it clear what it is, I'll take it. If somebody clicks on it, it's because they wanted to see it. My link on their blog is probably worth more than their link on my list. Isn't mainstream traffic better than "looking for free porn" traffic? Traffic goes both ways. A good blog doesn't necessarily "drag surfers away from the network," as Opti put it. It could just as easily bring fresh surfers into the network. I have a blogs category because I want blog traffic. That's completely selfish of me and I'll understand if none of the other LL owners want a piece of that.

I agree completely. I was thinking along the same lines, bring in some fresh traffic for a change, some different traffic maybe. Could always use new blood..

As far as blogs with mostly pics, well, probably not for me anyways, would look more for content, as in writing. And ya, you do have to wonder where all those pics come from. Kinda reminds me of a message board, people posting pics they found or hotlinking. Maybe thats not true for the blogs, but you wonder.

ronnie

[dareutwo]

Trust me.. not everyone surfing LL's are looking for Free Porn.
I'm leaning towards the blogs can have the blogs to themselves.
I don't need 200 opinions by people I don't know, who have no credibility and may not ever update their sites, on what I just reviewed.

[Greenguy]

I don't want to piss in anyone Cherrios, but I doublt I'll be adding a category for blogs anytime soon