If you are promoting Sensitop or Sensipills, Pull your Links.

[Jim]

Their site is gone and they seem to have some outstanding bills.

[Surfn]

Did they stiff ya?

[Due]

Originally Posted by Jim

Their site is gone and they seem to have some outstanding bills.

I just found out about this today, so I am posting here on the board the same thing I wrote in the E-mail.

Hello Jim,
Tam just told me that you belive that Sensitop BV owe around $6000 or so in advertising fees.
From what I remember we paid everything PREPAID and we paid for a period of 6 months.
I recently (a few days ago) received a invoice from you for advertising starting from june or july or so (not really sure, I have it in my car right now)
We closed SensiTop now 3 months ago due to legal issues with the ingredients inside the pills, even though we closed it down we did not ask for a refund of the unussed advertising period, if I remember correct you asked if we wanted to put it on hold instead, please correct me if I am wrong?
First thing I would like to know why I receive 2nd hand information that we owe you money, second I would like to know why we did not receive a invoice, third I am in doubt where I signed a agreement to automaticly renew advertising campaigns.
I look forward for a prompt responce as all companie in our group has no financial claims of any kind.
Best Regards
Morten Due
SensiTop BV

[Jim]

Due, that invoice has been sent to you via emai and regular mail no less than 6 times and you finally decide to reply to me. Tam told me when you were having problems that it would be cleared up. And if it wasn't she would let me know.

Contact me if at jim@greenguysboard.com if you would like to pay the amount owed.

[Due]

I received your invoice within the last week by paper post.
I prepaid in august or septemper last year for 6 months, on or around january 5th you where informed about the closure that happend of SensiTop and the closure due to legal issues (wich I am currently going to court over btw)
I replied to you within 5 minutes after (actually I did not reply, I CONTACTED YOU) after receiving the message that you claimed I owed money.
If I'm not mistaken with my calculations our advertising campaign expired early this month, mayby 2 weeks ago (I need to go through my histories to check that) and you already send 6 invoices in a 2 week period, taken it to a public board yet you where informed in january that we closed the program in december?
FYI I already contacted you on this E-mail, after that I saw you posted on the board and replied to the board, you seem to be more busy posting on the board than replying to the E-mail you ask me to contact you on.

[Tam]

Hi Jim, I am just going to say this before anything else is said, I don't know any of the specifics of this advertising, or this arrangement or anything of the kind, I was an employee and I didn't know all of the specifics of money spent or anything like that, so keep this in mind.

What I WILL comment on here is that you and I had JUST spoken on ICQ and that I told you that if you were owed money, you WOULD get it, and that I'd have Due contact you ASAP. I caugth up with him on MSN and told him and he emailed you right away. But I DID just speak to you, and am hoping it was after this post was made.

Like I said, I don't know the specifics of this deal, but I did tell you on ICQ that I'd get in touch with him and let him know, I did and he did contact you. Beyond that, I don't know much but I do know he emailed you right away, because I got the CC of it.

Let's just hope this is all a big misunderstanding and it's going to work itself out as it should. I am not trying to mix myself up in this, just stating that I did do as I was asked to do and he has contacted you in private as was requested.

[Due]

I'm getting a little confused here.
Let me try and summarize things.
1: sometime back in August or so we make a 6 month advertising deal, I send everything up front. I am happy you are happy.
2: I december we face some legal issues with the medical agency in Denmark, we are forced to close the project.
3: In january you are informed it is closed.
4: Sometime in March our advertising deal expire, you instantly within a maximum of 2-3 weeks after it expired have send 6 invoices with international mail, email etc, where I received one (it say something with june or july, still did not check on the details)
5: You decide enough is enough and go on ICQ and contact a past employee of Sensitop BV (instead of contacting me that you made the deal with), obviously she dont know the details but ensure you if you where owed money you would be paid. She would get back to you ASAP when she know something.
6: Few minutes after talking to her on ICQ you decide to post on the board saying you where dished and we had unpaid bills for you trying to miscredit my name.

Is this a way you usually handle things to keep up your sponsor retentions?
FYI I would like to cancel my advertising campaign if you are not aware of it
I think best thing would be to drop this silently and a public apology would most likely be a good idea

[Greenguy]

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Due

I received your invoice within the last week by paper post.
I prepaid in august or septemper last year for 6 months, on or around january 5th you where informed about the closure that happend of SensiTop and the closure due to legal issues (wich I am currently going to court over btw)
I replied to you within 5 minutes after (actually I did not reply, I CONTACTED YOU) after receiving the message that you claimed I owed money.
If I'm not mistaken with my calculations our advertising campaign expired early this month, mayby 2 weeks ago (I need to go through my histories to check that) and you already send 6 invoices in a 2 week period, taken it to a public board yet you where informed in january that we closed the program in december?
FYI I already contacted you on this E-mail, after that I saw you posted on the board and replied to the board, you seem to be more busy posting on the board than replying to the E-mail you ask me to contact you on.

Let me start with the last part of your post first. I stop working at 5PM EST weekdays. So yes, I was busy posting on the board since we had your banners running until today, I felt I had to let our trusted webmasters know what was going on.

Now, checking my records, you were first sent an invoice via email on the 15th of February, a reminder was sent on the 27th of February, another reminder was sent via postal mail on the 10th of March and finally the last reminder via email on the 20th of this Month. I did this because of no replies from you. So tell me, didn't you wonder why you were getting invoices? Your advertising came up for renewal on the 15th of February in case you were wondering.

In January, I wrote to you after Cleo posted an email about your program asking what we should do. I received no response so I went to your site, found Tam's icq and contacted her about the email. I asked if we should remove your banners and I was told, she would let me know if there were any problems that were going to last more than a few days. I was never informed of anything after that.

All it would have taken was a simple email letting me know that you wanted to discontinue advertising. And yet, it took several emails, icqs and even postal mail from me to get you to reply to anything sent. Today was the first email I received from you since early August.

I will tell you what...
You don't owe us anything. We will just write it off as a loss.

Now I just read your's and Tam's recent posts. Tam, that isn't really what you said to me, was it? You never said he would contact me, you told me he was supposed to email me to discontinue advertising but didn't. You said much more than that but as I said on icq, I will keep you out of it. And I would have if your name was not brought up.

Morten, the reason I contacted Tam was because that was the only place I could get an answer in January. And since I have not heard from you since August, how would I know Tam no longer works for you? After several emails to you, I got nothing. Not in January, not in February and not in March. Tam was the only person that let me know what was really going on.

As an FYI, we treat our sponsors better than anyone around. And, you might notice this is the first time I have ever had to say anything about any of our sponsors. But, when the site just goes away, what am I to do? Until today after clicking on your banner and seeing your site gone, I was sure you were still in business. I was told that this was just a simple mixup back in January and it would go away.

Again, keep your money..I'm sure Pfizer wants it from you more than we do anyway.

[Tam]

Originally Posted by Jim

Now I just read your's and Tam's recent posts. Tam, that isn't really what you said to me, was it? You never said he would contact me, you told me he was supposed to email me to discontinue advertising but didn't. You said much more than that but as I said on icq, I will keep you out of it. And I would have if your name was not brought up.

It's all good, I don't want my personal conversations washed out in public, that is my business. But I DID tell Due what I told you and that I had assured you that if money was owed, that you would get it and you will. The second I got off ICQ with you, I hit Due up and asked him to handle this because it didn't and doesn't involve me, this is not my affair. BUT I did tell you that if you were owed, you'd get it and I let him know I did tell you this. I make no bones about my position in anything EVER, I just don't think bringing some things public is always the best answer. But know this, I did tell him what you and I talked about, I just didn't want it brought on the board because I didn't want the drama on me about it, simply because I knew and know little about any of this on this situation and until I spoke to Due, I had no way of knowing. AND I still don't know everything. I haven't worked for the company since the last day of January. And to MY knowledge at that point in time, as of January 31st, or whatever the last day of that month was, everything that was owed had been paid.

I really don't think there is a need for all this drama, it can be resolved and in my opinion there seems to have been some misunderstandings somewhere. I just hope they can be resolved because I have no issues with any of you.