Do Banners Really Pay Off?

drtongue · 2004-09-10, 11:45 AM

I have been flying banners of my sites for years and I have not had the success to make it worth while to continue with this pratice. I was wondering if anyone out there has had some success and if so if they would impart some knowledge to me and others of how to make this work.

TIA

DT

mOrrI · 2004-09-10, 11:51 AM

1st- welcome to the board

2nd- i use them and use also text links.... and also use combos banner + text link....

and made some sales with that....
but i think it has more to do with the type of traffic!!!

but this is just my opinion!

Surfn · 2004-09-10, 11:53 AM

I stopped using banners over a year ago.

mOrrI · 2004-09-10, 11:56 AM

Surfn but sometimes banners can be useful can't they?....

Surfn · 2004-09-10, 12:03 PM

I suppose if the surfer can see them they might. I find it doubtful however since they are virtual immune to banners. Large colorful teasing text they seem to still notice.

Look at the cover of any magazine. They have a pic or pics...but they get you to pick up the magazine and buy it with text.

mOrrI · 2004-09-10, 12:06 PM

Surfn i said it all....
i completly agree with you

Greenguy · 2004-09-10, 12:18 PM

I use text on almost all the sites/galleries I build, but using banners really depends on the template that I'm using for the page & who the sponsor is.

drtongue · 2004-09-10, 12:22 PM

Do you find you get a better conversion with text links than you do with banners?

kristian · 2004-09-10, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Surfn
I stopped using banners over a year ago.

Same here.

Talking to the surfer is the only way to go.

Greenguy · 2004-09-10, 12:29 PM

Let me clarify something....

Sometimes I usue just text
Sometimes I use text & banners
Rarely do I use just a banner with no text

Blue_Spade · 2004-09-10, 12:46 PM

Gotta agree with everyone else on this one . . . using banners all by themselves is a dead art. You need to step up the creativity level and start mixing the graphics with catchy text and your CTR will take a jump.

We use a mix of both, text+banners and text only. However we have found it very beneficial to learn your traffic then design creatives to meet their needs - it is then you will see an explosion in CTR on your ad spots.

plateman · 2004-09-10, 12:49 PM

I use both, banners with text on top and bottom - a banner by it self is a sad thing to see, a good mix seams to do the trick..

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-10, 06:58 PM

It seems very text-based banners are still doing the trick...
I have one in the banner rotator on top of my main page which makes 2 or 3 sign-ups a week. The older-style colourful graphics seem to be a thing of the past unless you support them by good text (in which case button-style banners are fine).

But then: I hardly ever relied upon the normal 468x80 (or whatever) banners; I always preferred magazine-style banners (ratio of 200x300).

But gallery designs w/o graphics don't work either...

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-10, 07:01 PM

learn the ins and outs of style sheets! Then you can create text with graphical appearance, and don't have to make gifs just for an advertising header (also great for SEs!)

tickler · 2004-09-10, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by GeorgeTH
learn the ins and outs of style sheets! Then you can create text with graphical appearance, and don't have to make gifs just for an advertising header (also great for SEs!)

Stylesheets are nice for many things. Too bad that a lot of TGPs/LL ban them because they can be used for install toolbars and stuff.

Useless · 2004-09-11, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tickler
Stylesheets are nice for many things. Too bad that a lot of TGPs/LL ban them because they can be used for install toolbars and stuff.

How?

Mishi · 2004-09-11, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Useless Warrior
How?

And let me add, wha? I've never seen a TGP or Link List ban style sheets. And if I found one that did, it would be off my submit list faster than you can say "Greenguy and Jim".

Surfn · 2004-09-11, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mishi
And let me add, wha? I've never seen a TGP or Link List ban style sheets. And if I found one that did, it would be off my submit list faster than you can say "Greenguy and Jim".

I didn't know this was a LL...

Greenguy · 2004-09-11, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
But gallery designs w/o graphics don't work either...

So a gallery like this that uses only the promo material the sponsor has to offer wouldn't convert?

Call me old fashioned, but I really hate a lot of those galleries & free sites that are loaded to the gills with graphics.

Trax · 2004-09-11, 07:35 AM

I asked myself just a few days ago how much more I might make without normal sized banners...

interesting thread

kristian · 2004-09-11, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
So a gallery like this that uses only the promo material the sponsor has to offer wouldn't convert?

Call me old fashioned, but I really hate a lot of those galleries & free sites that are loaded to the gills with graphics.

I agree...

I'll say something else as well, it amazes me that pretty galleries are not in the minority. Based on my understanding of what typical surfers want, basic-looking galleries (and free sites) should yield higher CTR. Content and text are all that's important IMO. That and a good sponsor tour.

mOrrI · 2004-09-11, 11:09 AM

i agree with kristian and GreenGuy...

u are not going to a fireworks show!

and the sponcer should have a good tour.... i really agree with this...

and some don't have.... pitty....

Surfn · 2004-09-11, 11:23 AM

Since the topic has shifted from banners to graphics I'll add that I do as little graphics as possible. MrMaryLou can verify this.

And yes they convert really well.

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-11, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tickler
Stylesheets are nice for many things. Too bad that a lot of TGPs/LL ban them because they can be used for install toolbars and stuff.

Never came across one! But then I have my CSS on the page - not loaded from a seperate directory (hence every person and software can check it in the source code), mostly to guarantee compatibility with older browsers (older Netscape & Modzilla versions wouldn't load pages with external CSS!).

WD-Support · 2004-09-12, 02:55 PM

Banners work in some mediums. I would give FPA and HPAs
a try along with good textlinks.

2004-09-10, 11:45 AM	#1
drtongue If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 32	Do Banners Really Pay Off? I have been flying banners of my sites for years and I have not had the success to make it worth while to continue with this pratice. I was wondering if anyone out there has had some success and if so if they would impart some knowledge to me and others of how to make this work. TIA DT

2004-09-10, 11:51 AM	#2
mOrrI You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,083	hum.... 1st- welcome to the board 2nd- i use them and use also text links.... and also use combos banner + text link.... and made some sales with that.... but i think it has more to do with the type of traffic!!! but this is just my opinion! __________________

2004-09-10, 11:53 AM	#3
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I stopped using banners over a year ago. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-09-10, 11:56 AM	#4
mOrrI You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,083	Surfn but sometimes banners can be useful can't they?.... __________________

2004-09-10, 12:03 PM	#5
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I suppose if the surfer can see them they might. I find it doubtful however since they are virtual immune to banners. Large colorful teasing text they seem to still notice. Look at the cover of any magazine. They have a pic or pics...but they get you to pick up the magazine and buy it with text. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-09-10, 12:06 PM	#6
mOrrI You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,083	Surfn i said it all.... i completly agree with you __________________

2004-09-10, 12:18 PM	#7
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2004-09-10, 12:22 PM	#8
drtongue If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 32	Do you find you get a better conversion with text links than you do with banners?

2004-09-10, 12:29 PM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Let me clarify something.... Sometimes I usue just text Sometimes I use text & banners Rarely do I use just a banner with no text __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-10, 12:46 PM	#11
Blue_Spade Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 65	Gotta agree with everyone else on this one . . . using banners all by themselves is a dead art. You need to step up the creativity level and start mixing the graphics with catchy text and your CTR will take a jump. We use a mix of both, text+banners and text only. However we have found it very beneficial to learn your traffic then design creatives to meet their needs - it is then you will see an explosion in CTR on your ad spots. __________________ Ryan Steel ICQ 316-594-997 Come see what is converting for us over at Jays XXX Links OC Cash

2004-09-10, 12:49 PM	#12
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	I use both, banners with text on top and bottom - a banner by it self is a sad thing to see, a good mix seams to do the trick.. __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2004-09-10, 06:58 PM	#13
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	It seems very text-based banners are still doing the trick... I have one in the banner rotator on top of my main page which makes 2 or 3 sign-ups a week. The older-style colourful graphics seem to be a thing of the past unless you support them by good text (in which case button-style banners are fine). But then: I hardly ever relied upon the normal 468x80 (or whatever) banners; I always preferred magazine-style banners (ratio of 200x300). But gallery designs w/o graphics don't work either... __________________ Have a nice day!

2004-09-10, 07:01 PM	#14
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	learn the ins and outs of style sheets! Then you can create text with graphical appearance, and don't have to make gifs just for an advertising header (also great for SEs!) __________________ Have a nice day!

2004-09-11, 07:35 AM	#20
Trax Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 3rd Rock From Sun Posts: 181	I asked myself just a few days ago how much more I might make without normal sized banners... interesting thread __________________ Submit FS's to: MindBlowing Porn \| Fetish Links

2004-09-11, 11:09 AM	#22
mOrrI You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,083	hum... i agree with kristian and GreenGuy... u are not going to a fireworks show! and the sponcer should have a good tour.... i really agree with this... and some don't have.... pitty.... __________________

2004-09-11, 11:23 AM	#23
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Since the topic has shifted from banners to graphics I'll add that I do as little graphics as possible. MrMaryLou can verify this. And yes they convert really well. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-09-12, 02:55 PM	#25
WD-Support Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4	Banners work in some mediums. I would give FPA and HPAs a try along with good textlinks. __________________ WeeklyDialers.com - Active-X, High Connection Time, $1.25 per minute