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2003-10-08, 02:21 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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G.L. Gross enterprises ripped me off!
I know some of you LL owners promote this program:
http://kissinggirls.xxx.us/webmasters.html Goes by the name ggross After weeks of trying to get my money from him for design work he finally sent it. Better yet, his wife sent it because everytime I've tried talking to him on ICQ what was supposedly his wife answered me and said he was out of town.. Anyway, today I find out that he charged back and now I have a negative balance in my paypal account which is putting me in a tight spot because that's pretty much the only popular method I have of getting paid for my designs and I don't have the extra cash to bring it back to normal... If you know these people, please be aware that they will screw you over.
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2003-10-08, 02:45 PM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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2003-10-08, 03:00 PM
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Well this sucks, I just added his site to my link list.
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2003-10-08, 03:23 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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I'm not gonna take sides oh this either until we hear from ggross - I just sent him an ICQ with this thread, so let's go from there I guess.
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2003-10-08, 03:50 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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I'm not asking anyone to take sides. To be honest, this thread is to basically try and get the money back that he owes me.
I'll provide screen caps of my paypal account, forward ICQ logs.. whatever it takes to prove I'm not just trying to flame someone. I've been in this business for 4 years. Some of you know me, some of you don't.. those that do know me know that I won't just talk shit about someone for the fun of it...
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2003-10-08, 04:27 PM
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I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in
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o e me....
I have a project that you might want to work on.... ~Bell evelyn937 @ LYCOS cot com
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2003-10-08, 04:58 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Osiris - my post wasn't meant to be a shot at you, more of a "let's hear both sides of the story 1st" kinda thing.
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2003-10-08, 05:02 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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I understand, and I didn't take as a shot at me.
 Just trying to let everyone know that I don't just go around and say things without it being true. I hope this can be solved... I'd like to hear his reasoning for doing this.. He has all the work, I don't owe him anything so he had no reason to charge back.. 
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2003-10-09, 02:38 AM
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2003-10-09, 10:35 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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Ok, a small update... I've talked to paypal twice. The first time they told me it was charged back by the buyer. The second time they told me I should have recieved an e-mail so they sent it out again... Here's part of the message. The important part if you ask me...
If any of you need me to forward the original to verify let me know where to send it... Paypal did the chargeback because: We regret to inform you that you received funds from an account with reports of fraudulent bank account use. To protect myself from this happening a second time, I've requested that he send the money via western union. I'll let you all know when I pick it up... I'd advise any other designers not to do any business with this guy if he's wanting to use paypal as the method of payment..As far as any other business goes. I don't assume there will be any problems..
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2003-10-09, 11:40 AM
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Larry,
I am not going into a flaming war with you in public. This is not the forum for it. You have been paid. What more do you want, Blood ? Now all you are trying to do is cause damage to me & I would like to know why. I had 30 items hit the bank the same day from paypal. Some of them were susposed to be on my credit card. My wife did not switch method of payment on the paypal screen, so yours were returned to Pay Pal for Insufficient Funds. The bank (Citibank) then froze the account & my credit card because they thought someone had stolen it & was running up charges. I'm sure that other people on here can verify that banks do that to protect themselves from paying out just in case it was stolen. So when Paypal tried to resubmit the items for payment, even though my account had been funded to cover everything, they got that message from the bank. I had to go up there this morning in person to get the block lifted. So everything is fine now. Your payment was sent by Western Union this morning. Since that is what you requested. You are now paid in full for your work. As I said to you on ICQ last night, why the hell would I try to cheat you, when I gave you my personal FTP info when you were doing the designs ? All you had to do was open up my site & delete everything from my server at any time you wanted & you could have fucked me over good. Hell, you still can, I haven't changed anything. And I won't, because I trust you. I told you that I would give you 10% of the sites because i thought you did an excellent job on the designs. and I don't go back on my words, so you still have that even though you now seem intent on ruining me for some reason. And I would still recommend you to anyone looking for design work, because you do a good job & you are easy to work with. I feel really low having to defend myself in public like this. You have my phone number, this is something that could have been settled very easily between us. All you had to do was pick up the phone & call, instead of bringing it here. I understand you being pissed, but it could have been handled differently. You don't need to try to turn other people against me, I honestly can't understand the reasons behind that. Once again, I apologize to the board members here for this being brought to the boards. And for those of you that signed up for my Affiliate Programs, if you decide to pull my links, I understand. And there will be no hard feelings. Please just let me know so I can remove you & not contact you concerning that matter. Thank you for your time. Gary Gross G. L. Gross Enterprises ICQ: 166484251 |
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2003-10-09, 11:52 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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I'm not trying to start a war with you man. I'm just letting other designers know that if they are going to deal with you not to use Paypal as the method of accepting funds... Simple as that.
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2003-10-09, 12:14 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Being a Citibank customer myself, I can verify that they will freeze account at the drop of a dime if they think there is fraud. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass that they have so much security in place, but then after I get off the phone with them to verify a charge or a check, I do feel better that they are watching my back
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2003-10-09, 03:06 PM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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I did some design work for ggross, and not only did he pay me but he payed me before i even started. I have delt with a lot of people who i thought may be scammers but he is not one of them. I hope you guys can work this out because ggross is a good honest guy.
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2003-10-09, 03:13 PM
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I've also had Citibank kick in their security on me. On the laptop that I'm typing this on it took two phone calls from Citibank and one phone call from me to Citibank before they where convinced that it was really me buying this laptop.
Then again I've also had my credit card info stolen more then a few times so as much of a hassle it is at times I'm glad to see them being careful. You don't want to ever have someone from the Russian embassy get a hold of your info and go on a shopping spree. Thrust me I know a lot about this one form having it done to me, lol. |
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2003-10-09, 04:57 PM
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2003-10-09, 08:26 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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I have recieved the money from Gary.
Perhaps I should have been more patient about the whole thing... do I regret posting this? No, I don't.. do I offer my apologies...Yes I do. However, I still have a few doubts that I'll keep to myself since I'll be kicking a dead horse in his bloated balls if I bring it up... LOL Things are straight between me and Gary...
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2003-10-09, 09:31 PM
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Greenguy, Cleo & Mydnight,
This is to inform you that I'm shutting down my affilaite program. I just lost 11 Affiliates because I am now a questionable webmaster, even though a third party processor handles all of those details for the Affiliate Program. I will leave your links intact till the end of the month, but then I'm shutting down. It's just not worth the hassle anymore. I'll just stick to promoting other sponsors & doing TGP & Free Sites, this way I won't have this hassle anymore. I appreciate your kindness & the welcome you gave me. I'll still be around the boards . Later, Gary |
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2003-10-09, 09:45 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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This is why this should have never been brought to the board - now this guy is fucked because of a banking error that was out of his control.
Leave the program up - I'll keep promoting it |
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2003-10-09, 09:59 PM
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Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West
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Like I told you on ICQ I wasn't taking down your links. In fact I told you to build some more galleries.
Running a paysite is a hassle, it is the reason I stopped running one, but I don't think that you should let this little misunderstanding stop you. Anyway I'm leaving your links up. Let me know in a month if you still want to close it. |
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2003-10-09, 10:31 PM
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Hey can someone shoot a linkf or the affiliate program, I will check it out. Im sure fromt he conversation here it was just a bank error and I would love to try out another program
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2003-10-09, 10:51 PM
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That would be this link
http://kissinggirls.xxx.us/webmasters.html This is the site http://kissinggirls.xxx.us/ |
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2003-10-09, 11:02 PM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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Im am very unhappy to hear that you are no longer going to be running your program. I think you are an honest guy who runs a good buisniess, and i dont think you should let a little thing like this get you down.
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2003-10-09, 11:16 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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Yep, this is my fault. I can admit when I'm wrong and I do feel pretty bad about this. Everyone is allowed a mistake or two though right?
I've told Gary I would do whatever I could to make it up and I meant that. He has paid me, I have the money. He's done his part.. now I'd like to make this better if that's possible..
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2003-10-09, 11:32 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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A public apology...
This may be too little too late but it's something I think I should do.
After talking to paypal the other morning I blew a lid and posted things I shouldn't have without first going to the person that was involved. In doing this, I've caused hell for him and for this I'm sorry. Everyone makes mistakes, this is one I made... Prior to this happening I've only have one delay in getting money from Gary. Other then that, he's paid on time and upfront. I really have no excuse as to why I posted other then me being highly stressed and tired of getting screwed over without saying anything about it. I said something this time and I was wrong in doing so... Anyway, to those of you that dropped using his program. Give the man another shot.. I'll even use it if he puts it back up..
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