A tip on tables for 800 by 600

cobrasnake · 2005-02-21, 05:40 PM

Since there seems to be so many threads with people having there tables to big for 800 by 600, and I don't believe I've seen this mentioned here. So thought I would bring it up.

I know this may not be new to alot of people but maybe there's atleast a few that will benefit from this.

Try setting your left and right margin to 0 and this will give you more room. I actually think you can go to (I believe it is) 779 that way, not saying you should push the max but that you could go that far.

Still the point is it will make it easier for you to fit your tables in 800 by 600 without the scroll this way.

Here's an example,
http://www.sexplusporno.com/table770.html
I didn't change the margin one way or the other on this table.

Here's the exact same table,
http://www.sexplusporno.com/table770margin0.html

Set left margin and right margin to 0 on this one.

Other than that there the exact same tables, there both set to 770 width.

You can change the Margins in Dreamweaver by going to page properties and you should see it down at the bottom (first thing to pop up).

For other programs you'll just have to figure out on your own, I'm using Dreamweaver right now so not sure on the other programs but you should be able to find them if your use to your program.

Also one more thing, I still try to keep my tables at 750 but this leaves a little room for error or if it's the only way I can get something to fit in 800 by 600 without the side scroll.

So hope this helps someone out

Greenguy · 2005-02-21, 06:45 PM

I've been preaching to them since August

http://www.greenguysboard.com/newsle...letter183.html

cobrasnake · 2005-02-21, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

I've been preaching to them since August

http://www.greenguysboard.com/newsle...letter183.html

Sorry didn't even realize that you had that up there GG.

One thing though, I still didn't see anything about changing the margins in page properties unless I over looked something?

Greenguy · 2005-02-21, 07:24 PM

I've never played around with the page margins, so that's a new tip for me

cobrasnake · 2005-02-21, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenguy

I've never played around with the page margins, so that's a new tip for me

Cool I gave GG a tip

Actually neither have I really, my cousin showed me this a while back and I just thought I would pass it along.

I think he sets most of his tables at 779 width and I couldn't figure out how he did that without the scroll in 800 by 600...lol

He said he usually changes his margins first thing when making a site. He's pretty damn good at it so I always try to get a few extra tips and tricks from him

guschi2k · 2005-02-21, 08:21 PM

EDIT *lol sorry

just noticed that we meant the same, with the difference that you have used css and I used the body default html attribute

Useless · 2005-02-21, 10:47 PM

Should I see difference between the two example tables? I don't.

cobrasnake · 2005-02-22, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Should I see difference between the two example tables? I don't.

Did you look at them in 800 by 600?

If you look at them in 800 by 600? The first one should show the side scroll on your browser (for being to wide for that res). The second in 800 by 600 should look normal with out the side scroll like the first one does.

Point is that there both the exact same tables but one should show side scroll while the other doesn't in 800 by 600 of course. Only difference is the second one has the right and left margins set to 0 in page properties, which is why it fits in 800 by 600 with out the side scroll.

Hope I explained that good, not the best at explaining things...lol

cobrasnake · 2005-02-22, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guschi2k

EDIT *lol sorry

just noticed that we meant the same, with the difference that you have used css and I used the body default html attribute

As long as it works

Useless · 2005-02-22, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobrasnake

Did you look at them in 800 by 600?

I live at 800x600.

I'm viewing in Firefox and I don't see horizontal scroll on either table.

cobrasnake · 2005-02-22, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I live at 800x600.

I'm viewing in Firefox and I don't see horizontal scroll on either table.

hmm that's weird, I can see it on the first one but not the second.

Either way I think most would see it on first but not second...lol

I can see it, not sure if GG actually looked at them in 800 by 600 so not sure what he got but my cousin viewed it in 800 by 600 and he got side scroll as well.

Actually just got my cousin to look at it in firefox (since I don't have it) that's not his main browser so he used a different one the first time and got the scroll. When he checked it with firefox he said there was no scroll.

So most be something to do with Firefox

Useless · 2005-02-22, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobrasnake

So most be something to do with Firefox

I'm not sure why it would do that, especially since Firefox is not horribly forgiving. But I still understand your point about the left and right margins. I've always set my margins to 0. I need every pixel I can get.

cobrasnake · 2005-02-22, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm not sure why it would do that, especially since Firefox is not horribly forgiving. But I still understand your point about the left and right margins. I've always set my margins to 0. I need every pixel I can get.

Yeah I don't understand why it would do that either. After my cousin checked it in his regular browser I remembered he has firefox on his comp as well. So I told him to check it in firefox since that's what you said you used.

So not sure why but almost has to be a Firefox thing, I would think.

Trev · 2005-02-22, 05:37 PM

It's because, IE puts the space for the scroll bar on the right by default, but firefox/mozilla only puts the scroll bar on the right if needed. Without the scrollbar the 770px will fit fine in 800x600 even with the margins

Mr. Blue · 2005-02-22, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trev

It's because, IE puts the space for the scroll bar on the right by default, but firefox/mozilla only puts the scroll bar on the right if needed. Without the scrollbar the 770px will fit fine in 800x600 even with the margins

Hmm, explains why I've always thought my pages conformed to the 800 x 600 rule with the 755 pixel table...I use firefox and it never gave me a problem.

cobrasnake · 2005-02-22, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Hmm, explains why I've always thought my pages conformed to the 800 x 600 rule with the 755 pixel table...I use firefox and it never gave me a problem.

Well I guess this is also good since some people are finding out things that they didn't know. Even if it wasn't the same thing I was trying to point out in this thread

Also thanks Trev because I didn't know that and wasn't sure why it was showing up different in Firefox.

Also Mr. Blue if you set the left and right margins to 0 it would probably work in other browsers at that width.

Mr. Blue · 2005-02-23, 01:12 AM

I've started designing in photoshop again...I set the page at 750 width...for some reason if I screw that up the top frame will look like crap so I should be safe from now on, lol.

MrNick · 2005-02-23, 01:44 PM

and please dont let your <table></table> at 100% it look like shit, sorry

but it in px 700 or 750 or 770 or your setting,

b1ng0 · 2005-02-23, 04:39 PM

I have always just used 740 pixel width tables as a 'shell' for the rest of the page's content just to be on the safe side. One less thing I have to worry about, and imo pages look nicer this way anyway... less cluttered.

SandWalker · 2005-02-23, 06:42 PM

Why not just use td to set table width?

Width on the <table> tag is a hard setting and can cause scrolling. Width on the <td> tag is a "suggested" width. For a more fluid design, If you use for example 2 <td> set at a width of 400 px each, they will adjust to the browser width if it's under 800. Just don't put any width for the table tag itself. This works under firefox and IE, and not everyone has their browser maximized all the time either.

Anyone else do this??

Wulf · 2005-02-24, 06:39 PM

Is there a problem with using a % value for table width instead of a set px value?

Asking since I've been using 80% on my tables, so far without any problems, I just make sure that the info inside the table won't push it wider.

Would it be better to start using px?

Thanks,
Wulf

Halfdeck · 2005-02-24, 07:14 PM

Personally I find it easiest to just stuff the entire page in a 750px wide table, but that td idea sounds interesting.

Greenguy · 2005-02-24, 07:16 PM

Wulf - the problem you run into using %'s is that it looks very different at each monitor size - what looks good & spaced out properly at 800 might look very strange at 1024 or 1152

I have done the 100% thing in the past on a couple sites, but I always built them at 750 1st, made sure everything looked OK, and then changed it to 100% and looked at it at 1024 & 1152 & 1260 (or whatever silly res I'm set at)

2005-02-21, 05:40 PM	#1
cobrasnake WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 49	A tip on tables for 800 by 600 Since there seems to be so many threads with people having there tables to big for 800 by 600, and I don't believe I've seen this mentioned here. So thought I would bring it up. I know this may not be new to alot of people but maybe there's atleast a few that will benefit from this. Try setting your left and right margin to 0 and this will give you more room. I actually think you can go to (I believe it is) 779 that way, not saying you should push the max but that you could go that far. Still the point is it will make it easier for you to fit your tables in 800 by 600 without the scroll this way. Here's an example, http://www.sexplusporno.com/table770.html I didn't change the margin one way or the other on this table. Here's the exact same table, http://www.sexplusporno.com/table770margin0.html Set left margin and right margin to 0 on this one. Other than that there the exact same tables, there both set to 770 width. You can change the Margins in Dreamweaver by going to page properties and you should see it down at the bottom (first thing to pop up). For other programs you'll just have to figure out on your own, I'm using Dreamweaver right now so not sure on the other programs but you should be able to find them if your use to your program. Also one more thing, I still try to keep my tables at 750 but this leaves a little room for error or if it's the only way I can get something to fit in 800 by 600 without the side scroll. So hope this helps someone out

2005-02-21, 06:45 PM	#2
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2005-02-22, 05:37 PM	#14
Trev Is it over already? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the beautiful shores of Lake Erie Posts: 890	It's because, IE puts the space for the scroll bar on the right by default, but firefox/mozilla only puts the scroll bar on the right if needed. Without the scrollbar the 770px will fit fine in 800x600 even with the margins

2005-02-23, 01:12 AM	#17
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	I've started designing in photoshop again...I set the page at 750 width...for some reason if I screw that up the top frame will look like crap so I should be safe from now on, lol.

2005-02-23, 01:44 PM	#18
MrNick I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 88	and please dont let your <table></table> at 100% it look like shit, sorry but it in px 700 or 750 or 770 or your setting, __________________ Submit your Free Sites

2005-02-23, 04:39 PM	#19
b1ng0 I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 85	I have always just used 740 pixel width tables as a 'shell' for the rest of the page's content just to be on the safe side. One less thing I have to worry about, and imo pages look nicer this way anyway... less cluttered.

2005-02-23, 06:42 PM	#20
SandWalker A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: cali Posts: 52	Why not just use td to set table width? Width on the <table> tag is a hard setting and can cause scrolling. Width on the <td> tag is a "suggested" width. For a more fluid design, If you use for example 2 <td> set at a width of 400 px each, they will adjust to the browser width if it's under 800. Just don't put any width for the table tag itself. This works under firefox and IE, and not everyone has their browser maximized all the time either. Anyone else do this??

2005-02-24, 06:39 PM	#21
Wulf Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here n There Posts: 11	Is there a problem with using a % value for table width instead of a set px value? Asking since I've been using 80% on my tables, so far without any problems, I just make sure that the info inside the table won't push it wider. Would it be better to start using px? Thanks, Wulf

2005-02-24, 07:14 PM	#22
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Personally I find it easiest to just stuff the entire page in a 750px wide table, but that td idea sounds interesting.

2005-02-24, 07:16 PM	#23
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Wulf - the problem you run into using %'s is that it looks very different at each monitor size - what looks good & spaced out properly at 800 might look very strange at 1024 or 1152 I have done the 100% thing in the past on a couple sites, but I always built them at 750 1st, made sure everything looked OK, and then changed it to 100% and looked at it at 1024 & 1152 & 1260 (or whatever silly res I'm set at) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network