New adult banner exchange (free)

[tortus32]

Hi all,

Just started this new banner exchange.

1:1 exchange ratio
1,000 sign up credits.

Sexy Banner Exchange

Enjoy!

Bill

[tortus32]

So far I just have my 3 sites in the exchange, but I'm hoping more people will join.

And I upped it to 2,000 free credits.

Thanks,

Bill

[RawAlex]

Okay, simple question: if you are a 1:1 banner exchange, how exactly will those credits ever get used? I am not a math major, but I am not clear on how the 1000 extra will ever get used (because 1 used would mean 1 credit somewhere else, so there will always be 1000 * number of sites listed sitting in the bank unused.

Help me out here!

Alex

[tortus32]

It's really quite simple. The 1:1 ratio only relates to how you earn credits. In other words for every time you show a banner on your site you earn 1 credit.

So, if for what ever reason you don't show a banner on your site, your banner will still be shown somewhere else by using one of the free credits. Eventually the free credits will be used up and then it would be a true 1:1 exchange ratio, only showing your banner somewehre else when you show one on your site.

If it was a 1:2 ratio, you would need to show 2 bannes on your site to earn 1 credit.

Does that help?

Thanks,

Bill

[RawAlex]

No, you fail to understand. I know how a banner exchange works (I have been around for a while). What I don't think you are understanding is this:

100 people signup to the banner exchange: 100,000 credits between all accounts.

Each person shows 1000 banners -100,000 credits used on displays...

BUT

Showing banners gets credits... +100,000

So net, the 100,00 credits were never really used, now where they?

1:1 with bonus credits is pointless, because the people SHOWING banners are actually losing (because all those other credits take away from their ability to show banners).

Every person who signs up actually makes the odds worse that you earned credits will ever get used.

Alex

[Pendo]

I totally agree with Alex...remove those signup credits.

[RawAlex]

Pendo, there is a bigger problem then that: the question of why run a banner exchange if there is no way to make money? More importantly, how long would you provide servers and bandwidth to support a banner network that has no chance of making income?

Worse, you can go to the site and BUY more credits, which just lower the value of every banner display that much further... (50,000 credits for $25 which means for $25 you can pretty much put 25 people out of line).

1:1.25 or 1:1.5 would be workable... but 1:1 is just pointless.

Alex

[tortus32]

I run 3 other banner echanges the exact same way. The only thing the sign up credits do is give you a bit more exposure at first and then each account levels out eventually.

Here's one that gives 10,000 free credits and is also a 1:1 exchange ratio:
http://poker-play-zone.com/Banner-Exchange.html

Bill

[RawAlex]

Tortus, you don't understand - the credits NEVER go away... they move around account to account, and as you add more people, the backlog of unused credits gets bigger. Every time someone BUYS more credits, they make the situations worse.

Today: 100,000 banners in accounts. Show 100,000 banners. End of day, 100,000 banners in accounts.

Add 10 new people, up to 110,000 banners in accounts. Show 100,000 banners, still 110,000 banners in accounts.

You need to be at lease 1:1.1 to get the numbers to slowly dwindle down and for credits to get used, otherwise credits are not important.

Alex

[tortus32]

The way I see it, it works like so:

Let's say there's 2,000 people in the exchange.

Along comes Bob who joins the exchange today and gets his 1,000 sign up credits.

Bob's site only gets about 100 hits a day. Let's say everyone else in the exchange gets about the same. So let's say within the first hour or two, everyone else in the exchange gets 10 to 20 hits, and on half of the sites, 1 of those hits gets Bob's banner exposed once. Bob has just used up 1,000 credits. If he gets 100 hits a day, he's earning 100 credits a day.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I am there's tons of banner exchanges that are all wrong as well I guess.

http://www.bannerpad.com/ 1:1 plus 250 free credits

http://www.mewho.net/bp/ 1:1 plus 2,000 credits (not free to join)

http://masterbanners.com/index.shtml 1:1 plus 5,000 credits

http://poker-play-zone.com/Banner-Exchange.html 1:1 plus 10,000 free credits.

Thanks,

Bill

[RawAlex]

Bill, you totally miss the point: With 1:1 banner exchanges, any "credits" given outside of the standard 1:1 exchange will never go away... every new people will add 1000 or whatever extra in the bank, which will NEVER go down. 1000 people at 1000 credits means a bank of 1,000,000 credits that will never go down. They might get displayed (over time), but it means that a banner view today gives you credit for a banner view 1 million banners from now. If you ever close the system down, there will still be that many credits unused in the bank, because you have no way to deplete stock.

The more credits in the system, the more the people SHOWING banners lose out, because each new signup pushes them back in the list even further. The more people who join, the less likely your banners are to be shown.

I looked at mastebanners - it looks like they are actually doing a form of 1:2 banner exchanges, because they put a "pre banner" up followed by the actual banner. So it isn't a true 1:1 exchange.

The other ones appear to all have a "hook" that makes them somewhat less than 1:1.

So what is your hook? I see no terms and conditions or anything, so I can find no clue as to how your system works.

Alex

[Boogie]

I think alex has this on the dot.

For people who barely show any banners, its not a bad deal I guess. you sign up and get 1000 free shows.

Now imagine i can only show 5 banners a day.

I get a fast influx of traffic for my site.

The problem is for bigger producers, who can show the banner thousands of times.

Raw Alex is right and for these people you'll quickly build up a suprplus across all accounts... possibly evenly distributed....

eventually all accounts will show credits they can never spend, with the exception of the 'biggest showers' who should and would have a massive backlog of shows not being used.

[tortus32]

Ok, I went and changed it to a 1:2 ratio. Will that work?

The only way I expect to gain anything from it is from sponsor links (webamster refferals) and the sign up/login page. I will be adding more there, but for now I just have a TCG banner there. I'll probably add a bank of the standard 120x60 buttons at the bottom of the page.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,

Bill