The shitstorm scenario of 2257

Boogie · 2005-06-17, 12:26 AM

A lot of folks who are complying with 2257 I think dont understand the true "doomsday" scenario. For those folks I'd like to take time to spell it out.

Christine, 18 years old, shoots photos for this new fangled internet thing in 1998. She doesnt own a computer she knows few people who do. She figures few people will ever see them.

Fast forward to 2005 and she's a christian mother of 3. She regrets her adult past. she is married to a good christian man.

A gentlemen from her church in a moment of weakness recognizes her on an adult site and wants proof that its her.

He applies for a webmaster position or purchases the content from its provider (all of this information is available on 2257 statements on the website she appears on). He then acquires her model release and her ID and confronts her.

That's one of my least favorite scenarios.

Another scenario is if this man isnt a member of a church but a crazy man who watches her walk to work every day. He masturbates to photos he's taken of her with his cell phone. He thinks he loves her.

He finds those pictures online and proceeds to attempt to get the information. He's unable to do so.

So after writing the program she's shot content for and the content providers and both have done a fairly good job of weeding him out as a crazy and not a legitimate secondary producer he becomes desperate.

He goes to the address of the primary producer, which he finds easily on a website, and then proceeds to break and enter to steal the records.

He then has her home information her work information her number, her ID, her social security number.

And the number of hundreds of other providers.

But yet, if he's smart, he's not breaking into the office of a giant adult program.

he's breaking into a home. a small webmaster like myself who works out of his home.

In the process he shoots that webmaster.

All it takes is one crazy. All it takes is one Holy Roller. All it takes is one loose cannon.

Think this cant happen? Ask Larry Flynt who lost his ability to walk to one such crazy person.

Think this cant happen? Ask Arika Ames who was recently harassed at a webmaster trade show.

Think this cant happen? Talk to the veterans of the industry and they will tell you story after story of crazy emails and phone calls. Stories of folks who knock on their hotel rooms at trade shows and follow the girls around like hungry dogs looking for a chance to bite.

It HAS happened.

It WILL happen.

And 2257 puts legitimate webmasters and performers in danger.

This is tantimount to forcing every actor in a "legitimate" film shown in movie cineplexes all over the world to have their ID's and contact information distrubited to every theatre in the country.

This is a shitstorm folks. You comply, sure, but you need to fight it. Those of you who are giving out ID's already from your performers, think you're doing the right thing and that's great.

But are you really checking who you're sending it to? are you really checking who you're sharing this information with? ARe you trying to seperate the crazies from the legitimate webmasters?

Franklin said it best and I'm paraphrasing here;

He who would sacrafice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.

It is your patriotic duty to fight this. It is your duty as an american. It is your duty to your webmasters and your models.

Those of you who are simply folding and bowing out instead of donating some of your millions to this cause, its a shame.

you should BEG to be the one that they make an example out of.

You should BEG to go down in history as the man who fought for free speech.

You should be first in line to be the martyr who is thrown to the lambs to protect your performers.

Jim of this board has offered this sacrafice and so do I.

Lets roll with it. Like Jim says, I'd love to meet the president of the ACLU. Bring it on Gonzales.

Boogie · 2005-06-17, 12:28 AM

and yeah I know some of you folks are gonna lay into me for this one. Say its a lot of grandstanding and bs.

/shrug

Wouldnt be the first time I put a foot in my mouth

spookyx · 2005-06-17, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Boogie

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Another scenario is if this man isnt a member of a church but a crazy man who watches her walk to work every day. He masturbates to photos he's taken of her with his cell phone. He thinks he loves her.

damn... you found out about me stalking nat
|shocking|

Kinky · 2005-06-17, 12:37 AM

anybody who has ever gotten a surfer e-mail begging for info on a specific model knows what you are saying... some people get ruthless just thru e-mail... but i've said it before and i'll say it again... porn actors/actresses are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing that is pushing all of the anti-obscene bullshit, they are sinners and should all roast in hell

RawAlex · 2005-06-17, 01:38 AM

Don't you understand the point of the new 2257 rules?

They are designed to have the porn business drive itself out of business. It is done by using a few different provisions to make it hard to take legal content, hard for individuals to be in business, make much of the existing content illegal, and making it difficult to get new performers.

Hard to take legal content: If the primary producer is in the US, they require US IDs for everyone. No visitors or others without a green card can work. It also means that a US primary producer can no longer take talent and shoot overseas, as they would still require US ids for all performers.

Hard for individuals to be in business: Forcing individual free site / paysite webmasters to reveal their home addresses or forcing them to spend additional money for an office creates a hardship that will drive them from the business. Additionally, this requirement will have the effect of driving individual amateur sites almost completely off the net.

Make much of the current content illegal: Be changing the ID requirements and adding in model ID disclosure that would put foreign producers in violation of privacy laws in their countries, the new rules have the effect of killing off huge amounts of existing content. My personal estimate is than 90% of the "low buck content" (such as pixmasters, rock bottom, and others) will be effectively useless, with a lack of model releases and / or legal IDs. It doesn't help that many of these producers seem to see the new 2257 regs as a profit center, charging more than the original costs of the content for model IDs.

Harder to get new performers: Unless the content is specifically licensed to a single site with major resale restrictions, many models will be uninterested in being part of the adult industry. If content is sold to 100 webmasters, that model's info is out there to 100 people. If it is used by a sponsor as "free sponsor content" then it might be out there to thousands of people. Models will be way more hesitant to get involved, which will make content harder to come by. That will drive up the costs, making it harder to make a profit.

At the end of the day, the intentions of the new 2257 laws are to put a chill on the adult industry, to literally drive the mom & pop type operations off the web, and to cut way down on the amount of "porn moms" out there running individual amateur sites. The rest of us will be faced with increased content costs and increased business documentation costs.

No one single less CP will make it onto the net as a result, but the rights and the freedoms to run an honest adult business will be removed as a result.

That's what it is all about.

Alex

2005-06-17, 01:40 AM

Never thought a lot of you Boogie, until now.

RESPECT.

Boogie · 2005-06-17, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

Never thought a lot of you Boogie, until now.

RESPECT.

thanks brother, always admired you and your work

to hear it from a respected content producer like yourself means a lot.

MrYum · 2005-06-17, 02:12 AM

Boogie...give em hell! Seriously man, very well said...props

RawAlex...sad to fuckin say it...really is...that this shit could actually happen in 2005...but you're right on all counts

That's exactly what this is about...cleansing the net of the filthy pornographers. When the hell did sex become a bad thing? When did sexual pleasure become obscene?

The religious right has got to be put in check. What IS obscene is that this is even an issue.

The seperation of church and state needs some reminding...

I still don't see this standing...but does look like thar's gonna be a rumble

2005-06-17, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogie

thanks brother, always admired you and your work

to hear it from a respected content producer like yourself means a lot.

No need to thank me you deserve it.

If there was more people prepared to stand up we would not have our backs to the wall.

Stever · 2005-06-17, 02:28 AM

Sounds to me like the US industry will slowly move out of the US. The small, medium and big webmasters in Canada and Europe will benefit. Demand for online porn will never diminish but fewer Americans will be supplying it. US webmasters with the resources and willingness to do so, will likely move to Canada where they can continue to run their buisness as if nothing happened.

Sorry guys but I think the USA is in an overall sad state with the Bush administration and the power he lends to the christian right. Not to mention its forien policy and protectionist trade policies. How will america react to the fact that it will soon no longer be the worlds economic superpower. Lookout here comes China.

but i digress from 2257 discussions

MrYum · 2005-06-17, 02:37 AM

Looks like perhaps things are heading in the right direction...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=20955

Saw a post on another board...thought this was the perfect place to mention it on this board...

IF someone DOES get dragged in...putting together a defense fund should help. I'd definitely contribute!

Frankly, that's my biggest concern about this crap. I have no doubt it will be tossed out of court if anyone is busted. BUT, financially something like this could break an individual pretty fuckin quick.

IF we as a community contributed til it hurt...if need be...we'd make a much more formidable foe in court. Especially if the ACLU gets involved...this 'should' be a slam dunk!

Hell, if that wasn't a concern...I'd be right there beside ya Boogie. For that matter...if more folks agree to a defense fund...I am! LOL!

I'd even leave all several hundred of my free sites live and intact. Be happy to provide links to any owners who don't already have em...get more exposure to the sites don't yanno

tickler · 2005-06-17, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kinky

anybody who has ever gotten a surfer e-mail begging for info on a specific model knows what you are saying... some people get ruthless just thru e-mail... but i've said it before and i'll say it again... porn actors/actresses are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing that is pushing all of the anti-obscene bullshit, they are sinners and should all roast in hell

Not just email. I am always getting hits from forums were they are asking "Who is this model and how to I get in contact".

MrYum · 2005-06-17, 03:52 AM

Arghhh...can't sleep...

What suprises me more than anything about this is how many major programs made massive changes instead of fighting. One would think that these companies should have the financial resources to fight this out.

So what happens when the injunctions are granted?

Or, a prosecution is thrown out of court?

Back to biz as usual? Or, are the programs going to leave their new systems in place?

IF the DOJ really wants to look up a model ID, I implemented something on my new sites that launched this morning.

http://www.real-girls.biz/2257/061305/1/

Paul, you'll be glad to notice it's your content

I've provided the specific set ID information AND the original custodian of records. If an investigating agency needs to see the model info...grab a warrant and trot your ass on over to the original producer. The individual who saw the model...saw the ID's and produced the images.

Ok...back to bed...

2005-06-17, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tickler

Not just email. I am always getting hits from forums were they are asking "Who is this model and how to I get in contact".

We had a real bad one last year, he wanted to meet her to pay for her college tuition and be her friend, take her on holiday, etc. Had to watch every person who was buying her content for months.

Eventually got his address and got his door knocked on by a friend. Scared the shit out of him.

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Originally Posted by MrYum

Arghhh...can't sleep...

What suprises me more than anything about this is how many major programs made massive changes instead of fighting. One would think that these companies should have the financial resources to fight this out.

So what happens when the injunctions are granted?

Or, a prosecution is thrown out of court?

Back to biz as usual? Or, are the programs going to leave their new systems in place?

IF the DOJ really wants to look up a model ID, I implemented something on my new sites that launched this morning.

http://www.real-girls.biz/2257/061305/1/

Paul, you'll be glad to notice it's your content

I've provided the specific set ID information AND the original custodian of records. If an investigating agency needs to see the model info...grab a warrant and trot your ass on over to the original producer. The individual who saw the model...saw the ID's and produced the images.

Ok...back to bed...

They do not need a warrant to see my records, just need to turn up. They can also see how we cross reference all our models on our sites. This 2257 law meant the only work we had to do was supply it to all the people who suddenly had their HDs frazzle over the weekend

Useless · 2005-06-17, 08:54 AM

You da man Boogster!

I have, as of yet, not pulled a single pic because I'm hoping that the sponsors who have demanded the removal of certain content come to their senses before it's too late. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be pulling a damned thing. Everyone has different threshholds for risk. Mine is very high, but then again, I have nothing to lose. And don't anyone come here telling me that I could go to jail. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

ArtWilliams · 2005-06-17, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You da man Boogster!

I have, as of yet, not pulled a single pic because I'm hoping that the sponsors who have demanded the removal of certain content come to their senses before it's too late. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be pulling a damned thing. Everyone has different threshholds for risk. Mine is very high, but then again, I have nothing to lose. And don't anyone come here telling me that I could go to jail. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Certainly there is no reason to pull anything until the 23rd. I scratch my head when I see the thread of people requesing links to be pulled. If an injunction is granted then what are they going to do, resubmit all their sites? Yeah, if I were a LL owner I'd be REAL happy about that!

---art

Cleo · 2005-06-17, 09:55 AM

I have not pulled anything due to 2257.

I did pull some very old directories because they were full of dead links and with amnesty being giving to people pulling links it seemed like a good time to clear out the old dead wood but nothing to do with 2257.

Tommy · 2005-06-17, 10:04 AM

I dont see how these surfer/stalkers gonna get the model info

can we please put this to bed

The webmaster has the ids
the surfer doesnt know where the content was bought
the surfer can only get the webmasters address .... not the models

so how does the surfer stalk the model

docholly · 2005-06-17, 10:07 AM

i have between 75 and 80 girls that we promote.. out of that i've received 66 of their docs.. a pretty good return.. but they are traffic whores.. all of them..

and only a court order with multiple ID's will get me to open that file cabinet. No posting on the net.. and if they come here to find them, they'll be greeted by a 77 yr old grouch...

the only one i've pulled so far is some totally wacked out camgirl who is really a cyber stalker and totally devoid of any conscience.

and goddess knows i can do time.. just keep the commisary coming by.. lmao..

did you see where they caught a guy in the bay area they think has molest 36,000 boys?? was he caught by the DOJ?? fuck no.. he was caught by a mother who found some evidence in her son's (a victim) room and tracked it down..

Molester link

i bet he doesn't have 2257 docs..

RawAlex · 2005-06-17, 10:59 AM

Tommy, the surfer becomes a "webmaster" and buys the content from the producer. Gets the model release, model IDs, the whole 9 yards. From there the path is pretty short.

Alex

Linkster · 2005-06-17, 11:16 AM

Tommy - thats the path thats been taken in the past with "stalkers" - since they dont have access to it as a surfer they fraudently join a program to become a "webmaster"

Linkster · 2005-06-17, 11:40 AM

Oh and one other little tidbit of info - since cyberstalking is a very large concern - there are still 5 states in the US that do not have any laws against cyberstalking and of the others most only protect the under 18 agegroup - there are also only two other countries in the world that have anti-cyberstalking laws - AU is one of them and I cant remember the other - its a shame that we cant even do anything about the stalkers that use hi-tech methods to harrass someone and eventually in at least 2 cases I know of either kill or injure the person being stalked

juggernaut · 2005-06-17, 11:54 AM

I can tell you from 1st hand experience that this will happen. As most of you know my wife is a cam host. And yes UW a dam hot one lol. Anyway she had a serious and I mean serious nut case following her around from site to site over the past 3 years. Once he finds her he "using a new screen name" gets to talking to her for a few days then blasts her with his old screen name "kruger" and constantly makes her life a living hell. He will sit in her chat, scare away all her customers and then tries to go into a show with her. When she refuses or bans him he reports her to the site. Starts telling her he will find and kill her after he rapes her. He will kill her dog. Oh and he will kill me. I will say if there are any big cam sites here, you really need to look harder at your chats and whats taking place with nut cases like these. Most of the sites side with the customer as they dont want bad PR or just the money. But all it does it make the host leave their site. In my wifes case if they would have looked into the problem just alittle deeper they would still have a host who brings them in $3k a week - the average 50%. I know that this shit head is still looking for her. I can only hope that he finds where we live. Not to hard if you look around. If he shows up at my house you can bet there will be front page news when I shoot him and ever other fucker in my neighborhood when I snap.

juggernaut · 2005-06-17, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by docholly

did you see where they caught a guy in the bay area they think has molest 36,000 boys?? was he caught by the DOJ?? fuck no.. he was caught by a mother who found some evidence in her son's (a victim) room and tracked it down..

Molester link

i bet he doesn't have 2257 docs..

Yeah I watched that last night doc. they found his books with names of every kid. They said even if 1% of his book is correct then you still have hundreds of cases. I really cant fathom what is in someones head to look at a child as a sexual being. It will be interesting to see if any of the 2257 comes into this case. Im sure this guy had to use a computer to find most of those kids. Shit 36k worth of kids. I'm 35 that averages out to 3 kids a day for my entire life. Basicly every kid I see I would have had to touch to reach that goal. Just sick.

lassiter · 2005-06-17, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Don't you understand the point of the new 2257 rules?

They are designed to have the porn business drive itself out of business.

A well-stated analysis, Alex. A lot of folks are criticizing the perceived "illogical" aspects of the new regs and are not understanding that they are rooted in a ruthless ideological "war on porn" attitude on the part of the fundamentalist nutballs in the administration. They aren't supposed to make sense, and they aren't really supposed to be "complied with." The regs have been drawn up precisely to shut down the industry to the largest degree possible, by putting the major squeeze on the talent, the producers, and the affiliates. Much easier and more effective than the expensive, old-time "obscenity" prosecutions, that even conservative juries are not going along with anymore.

Now whether it will actually work or not is still an open question (and we all hope the FSC and allies can expose the scheme for what it is and get it nullified), but no one should be in denial about the actual intent of the perpetrators. If talent gets stalked or raped, "they deserved it." IF webmasters get picketed or harrassed, ditto. It's our just punishment for not repenting and accepting the Lord Jeezus into our lives according to the gospel of Jerry Falwell, etc.

2005-06-17, 12:26 AM	#1
Boogie I like to blog :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,050	The shitstorm scenario of 2257 A lot of folks who are complying with 2257 I think dont understand the true "doomsday" scenario. For those folks I'd like to take time to spell it out. Christine, 18 years old, shoots photos for this new fangled internet thing in 1998. She doesnt own a computer she knows few people who do. She figures few people will ever see them. Fast forward to 2005 and she's a christian mother of 3. She regrets her adult past. she is married to a good christian man. A gentlemen from her church in a moment of weakness recognizes her on an adult site and wants proof that its her. He applies for a webmaster position or purchases the content from its provider (all of this information is available on 2257 statements on the website she appears on). He then acquires her model release and her ID and confronts her. That's one of my least favorite scenarios. Another scenario is if this man isnt a member of a church but a crazy man who watches her walk to work every day. He masturbates to photos he's taken of her with his cell phone. He thinks he loves her. He finds those pictures online and proceeds to attempt to get the information. He's unable to do so. So after writing the program she's shot content for and the content providers and both have done a fairly good job of weeding him out as a crazy and not a legitimate secondary producer he becomes desperate. He goes to the address of the primary producer, which he finds easily on a website, and then proceeds to break and enter to steal the records. He then has her home information her work information her number, her ID, her social security number. And the number of hundreds of other providers. But yet, if he's smart, he's not breaking into the office of a giant adult program. he's breaking into a home. a small webmaster like myself who works out of his home. In the process he shoots that webmaster. All it takes is one crazy. All it takes is one Holy Roller. All it takes is one loose cannon. Think this cant happen? Ask Larry Flynt who lost his ability to walk to one such crazy person. Think this cant happen? Ask Arika Ames who was recently harassed at a webmaster trade show. Think this cant happen? Talk to the veterans of the industry and they will tell you story after story of crazy emails and phone calls. Stories of folks who knock on their hotel rooms at trade shows and follow the girls around like hungry dogs looking for a chance to bite. It HAS happened. It WILL happen. And 2257 puts legitimate webmasters and performers in danger. This is tantimount to forcing every actor in a "legitimate" film shown in movie cineplexes all over the world to have their ID's and contact information distrubited to every theatre in the country. This is a shitstorm folks. You comply, sure, but you need to fight it. Those of you who are giving out ID's already from your performers, think you're doing the right thing and that's great. But are you really checking who you're sending it to? are you really checking who you're sharing this information with? ARe you trying to seperate the crazies from the legitimate webmasters? Franklin said it best and I'm paraphrasing here; He who would sacrafice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security. It is your patriotic duty to fight this. It is your duty as an american. It is your duty to your webmasters and your models. Those of you who are simply folding and bowing out instead of donating some of your millions to this cause, its a shame. you should BEG to be the one that they make an example out of. You should BEG to go down in history as the man who fought for free speech. You should be first in line to be the martyr who is thrown to the lambs to protect your performers. Jim of this board has offered this sacrafice and so do I. Lets roll with it. Like Jim says, I'd love to meet the president of the ACLU. Bring it on Gonzales. __________________ I got a porn blog! Got a blog worth linking to? Contact me

2005-06-17, 12:28 AM	#2
Boogie I like to blog :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,050	and yeah I know some of you folks are gonna lay into me for this one. Say its a lot of grandstanding and bs. /shrug Wouldnt be the first time I put a foot in my mouth __________________ I got a porn blog! Got a blog worth linking to? Contact me

2005-06-17, 12:37 AM	#4
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	anybody who has ever gotten a surfer e-mail begging for info on a specific model knows what you are saying... some people get ruthless just thru e-mail... but i've said it before and i'll say it again... porn actors/actresses are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing that is pushing all of the anti-obscene bullshit, they are sinners and should all roast in hell __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2005-06-17, 02:12 AM	#8
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Boogie...give em hell! Seriously man, very well said...props RawAlex...sad to fuckin say it...really is...that this shit could actually happen in 2005...but you're right on all counts That's exactly what this is about...cleansing the net of the filthy pornographers. When the hell did sex become a bad thing? When did sexual pleasure become obscene? The religious right has got to be put in check. What IS obscene is that this is even an issue. The seperation of church and state needs some reminding... I still don't see this standing...but does look like thar's gonna be a rumble __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-06-17, 02:28 AM	#10
Stever Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 208	Sounds to me like the US industry will slowly move out of the US. The small, medium and big webmasters in Canada and Europe will benefit. Demand for online porn will never diminish but fewer Americans will be supplying it. US webmasters with the resources and willingness to do so, will likely move to Canada where they can continue to run their buisness as if nothing happened. Sorry guys but I think the USA is in an overall sad state with the Bush administration and the power he lends to the christian right. Not to mention its forien policy and protectionist trade policies. How will america react to the fact that it will soon no longer be the worlds economic superpower. Lookout here comes China. but i digress from 2257 discussions __________________ <a href="http://www.fioramall.com/click/sponsor.php?kw_userid=Stever"><img src="http://www.steverslinks.com/images/fiora.gif"</a>

2005-06-17, 01:38 AM	#5
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Don't you understand the point of the new 2257 rules? They are designed to have the porn business drive itself out of business. It is done by using a few different provisions to make it hard to take legal content, hard for individuals to be in business, make much of the existing content illegal, and making it difficult to get new performers. Hard to take legal content: If the primary producer is in the US, they require US IDs for everyone. No visitors or others without a green card can work. It also means that a US primary producer can no longer take talent and shoot overseas, as they would still require US ids for all performers. Hard for individuals to be in business: Forcing individual free site / paysite webmasters to reveal their home addresses or forcing them to spend additional money for an office creates a hardship that will drive them from the business. Additionally, this requirement will have the effect of driving individual amateur sites almost completely off the net. Make much of the current content illegal: Be changing the ID requirements and adding in model ID disclosure that would put foreign producers in violation of privacy laws in their countries, the new rules have the effect of killing off huge amounts of existing content. My personal estimate is than 90% of the "low buck content" (such as pixmasters, rock bottom, and others) will be effectively useless, with a lack of model releases and / or legal IDs. It doesn't help that many of these producers seem to see the new 2257 regs as a profit center, charging more than the original costs of the content for model IDs. Harder to get new performers: Unless the content is specifically licensed to a single site with major resale restrictions, many models will be uninterested in being part of the adult industry. If content is sold to 100 webmasters, that model's info is out there to 100 people. If it is used by a sponsor as "free sponsor content" then it might be out there to thousands of people. Models will be way more hesitant to get involved, which will make content harder to come by. That will drive up the costs, making it harder to make a profit. At the end of the day, the intentions of the new 2257 laws are to put a chill on the adult industry, to literally drive the mom & pop type operations off the web, and to cut way down on the amount of "porn moms" out there running individual amateur sites. The rest of us will be faced with increased content costs and increased business documentation costs. No one single less CP will make it onto the net as a result, but the rights and the freedoms to run an honest adult business will be removed as a result. That's what it is all about. Alex

2005-06-17, 01:40 AM	#6
Paul Markham2 Guest Posts: n/a	Never thought a lot of you Boogie, until now. RESPECT.

2005-06-17, 02:37 AM	#11
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Looks like perhaps things are heading in the right direction... http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=20955 Saw a post on another board...thought this was the perfect place to mention it on this board... IF someone DOES get dragged in...putting together a defense fund should help. I'd definitely contribute! Frankly, that's my biggest concern about this crap. I have no doubt it will be tossed out of court if anyone is busted. BUT, financially something like this could break an individual pretty fuckin quick. IF we as a community contributed til it hurt...if need be...we'd make a much more formidable foe in court. Especially if the ACLU gets involved...this 'should' be a slam dunk! Hell, if that wasn't a concern...I'd be right there beside ya Boogie. For that matter...if more folks agree to a defense fund...I am! LOL! I'd even leave all several hundred of my free sites live and intact. Be happy to provide links to any owners who don't already have em...get more exposure to the sites don't yanno __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-06-17, 03:52 AM	#13
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Arghhh...can't sleep... What suprises me more than anything about this is how many major programs made massive changes instead of fighting. One would think that these companies should have the financial resources to fight this out. So what happens when the injunctions are granted? Or, a prosecution is thrown out of court? Back to biz as usual? Or, are the programs going to leave their new systems in place? IF the DOJ really wants to look up a model ID, I implemented something on my new sites that launched this morning. http://www.real-girls.biz/2257/061305/1/ Paul, you'll be glad to notice it's your content I've provided the specific set ID information AND the original custodian of records. If an investigating agency needs to see the model info...grab a warrant and trot your ass on over to the original producer. The individual who saw the model...saw the ID's and produced the images. Ok...back to bed... __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2005-06-17, 08:54 AM	#15
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	You da man Boogster! I have, as of yet, not pulled a single pic because I'm hoping that the sponsors who have demanded the removal of certain content come to their senses before it's too late. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be pulling a damned thing. Everyone has different threshholds for risk. Mine is very high, but then again, I have nothing to lose. And don't anyone come here telling me that I could go to jail. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-17, 09:55 AM	#17
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I have not pulled anything due to 2257. I did pull some very old directories because they were full of dead links and with amnesty being giving to people pulling links it seemed like a good time to clear out the old dead wood but nothing to do with 2257. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-06-17, 10:04 AM	#18
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	I dont see how these surfer/stalkers gonna get the model info can we please put this to bed The webmaster has the ids the surfer doesnt know where the content was bought the surfer can only get the webmasters address .... not the models so how does the surfer stalk the model __________________ Accepting New partners

2005-06-17, 10:07 AM	#19
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	i have between 75 and 80 girls that we promote.. out of that i've received 66 of their docs.. a pretty good return.. but they are traffic whores.. all of them.. and only a court order with multiple ID's will get me to open that file cabinet. No posting on the net.. and if they come here to find them, they'll be greeted by a 77 yr old grouch... the only one i've pulled so far is some totally wacked out camgirl who is really a cyber stalker and totally devoid of any conscience. and goddess knows i can do time.. just keep the commisary coming by.. lmao.. did you see where they caught a guy in the bay area they think has molest 36,000 boys?? was he caught by the DOJ?? fuck no.. he was caught by a mother who found some evidence in her son's (a victim) room and tracked it down.. Molester link i bet he doesn't have 2257 docs.. __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!! Last edited by docholly; 2005-06-17 at 10:09 AM.. Reason: no spell check on GG&J

2005-06-17, 10:59 AM	#20
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Tommy, the surfer becomes a "webmaster" and buys the content from the producer. Gets the model release, model IDs, the whole 9 yards. From there the path is pretty short. Alex

2005-06-17, 11:16 AM	#21
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Tommy - thats the path thats been taken in the past with "stalkers" - since they dont have access to it as a surfer they fraudently join a program to become a "webmaster" __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-06-17, 11:40 AM	#22
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Oh and one other little tidbit of info - since cyberstalking is a very large concern - there are still 5 states in the US that do not have any laws against cyberstalking and of the others most only protect the under 18 agegroup - there are also only two other countries in the world that have anti-cyberstalking laws - AU is one of them and I cant remember the other - its a shame that we cant even do anything about the stalkers that use hi-tech methods to harrass someone and eventually in at least 2 cases I know of either kill or injure the person being stalked __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2005-06-17, 11:54 AM	#23
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	I can tell you from 1st hand experience that this will happen. As most of you know my wife is a cam host. And yes UW a dam hot one lol. Anyway she had a serious and I mean serious nut case following her around from site to site over the past 3 years. Once he finds her he "using a new screen name" gets to talking to her for a few days then blasts her with his old screen name "kruger" and constantly makes her life a living hell. He will sit in her chat, scare away all her customers and then tries to go into a show with her. When she refuses or bans him he reports her to the site. Starts telling her he will find and kill her after he rapes her. He will kill her dog. Oh and he will kill me. I will say if there are any big cam sites here, you really need to look harder at your chats and whats taking place with nut cases like these. Most of the sites side with the customer as they dont want bad PR or just the money. But all it does it make the host leave their site. In my wifes case if they would have looked into the problem just alittle deeper they would still have a host who brings them in $3k a week - the average 50%. I know that this shit head is still looking for her. I can only hope that he finds where we live. Not to hard if you look around. If he shows up at my house you can bet there will be front page news when I shoot him and ever other fucker in my neighborhood when I snap.