Great Comparison of Vietnam and Iraq - by someone that should know

Linkster · 2006-03-08, 07:27 PM

This guy that wrote the article was the head of the NSA a while back as well as head of military intelligence (ok oxymoron) but hits the nail on the head with his comparison

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index....roundid=0078--

Surfn · 2006-03-08, 07:34 PM

A very accurate objective comparison.

Glad to see you are feeling better Linkster

Linkster · 2006-03-08, 08:35 PM

What kinda makes it weird for me is that I remember all of that happening back in the 60s (I was a teen and then in my early 20s in Wash DC) as I was right there in the middle of all of the protests/riots/demonstations/moratoriums etc. I still remember the May day when a bunch of patriots closed down the entire city by closing off all of the bridges with truckloads of thumbtacks and the tear gas that would make you cry your eyes out shot off by the police trying to regain control of the whole downtown area around the Washington monument - and the picture I think that sticks out in my mind the most is being on the mall(a grassy area between the Lincoln Mem. and the Capitol building) and seeing a machine gun nest set up on the steps to the Capitol. What a time it was - but at least then we had Americans who gave a shit about what was happening to their rights - instead of worrying about whether little Johnny is gonna be at soccer practice on time or todays selfish little brats that call themselves parents

Just a bunch of apethetic little fucking whiney babies that wouldnt get off their ass (unless the TIVO was set ahead of time) these days - but then long after Im gone in a few years - they'll find out what happens when you dont defend your own American citizenship

Erick G · 2006-03-08, 08:50 PM

Now a days you challenge your gov and your considered unpatriotic
Aint that some shit. Its unpatriotic not to challenge your gov..
people wont give two shits till it affects their daily lifestyle. No gas for the humongous suv to troll the kids around to sporting events or mind fields on the soccer field.

Bill · 2006-03-08, 09:26 PM

I love the war now.

It's bungling and incompetence is one of the few things that is keeping this country from becoming a totalitarian state.

We'll almost certainly become a totalitarian state anyway, but not quite so easily and completely. We might get a few more years of freedom as long as the wars continue.

What I dread is the republicans withdrawing the troops - then there will be nothing to stop our becoming a defacto dictatorship.

MrYum · 2006-03-08, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfn

A very accurate objective comparison.

Glad to see you are feeling better Linkster

Downright staggeringly accurate

Agreed...good to see you up and around again Linkster

Linkster · 2006-03-08, 11:48 PM

Bill - as long as only 55% of the eligible voters in this country feel that its worth performing their civic duty (as part of their compact with the US to remain a working democracy) this country will continue to be totalitarian (in my eyes it already is extremely close to moving to a total dictatorship and wouldnt be surprised if the coming terrorist attack this year doesnt cause the final move to martial law and dictatorship) - a full turnout of the voting population would not only be amazing, but it would be the first step to regaining what the original framers of the Constitution felt was necessary to keep this country alive.

I see that earlier this week someone finally started reporting on the new Haliburton contract that was awarded - to build internment buildings and camps - on US soil - thats right - right here in the US.
Of course the "given reason" was in case there is a breakout of "bird flu" we would have to quarrantine entire segments of the population but I think that with Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld making sure his company has given all the necessary patent rights to Roche to produce Tamiflu (he only gets a little residual income from that 2 billion dollar order the US just made on that 10 million worth of stock he owns in the company he was the CEO of) we should be able to protect everyone

Its amazing how the CEO of a company becomes the Sec of Defense - gets his drug patent for a flu epidemic that hasnt even been dreamed of yet (4 years ago) and lucky for him he just happens to be the major stockholder of the company
I guess thats sorta like the Vice President that was the CEO of Haliburton that gets all the construction contracts for Iraq rebuilding, Katrina rebuilding and now detention centers in the US - damn lucky he was in the right place at the right time
And to top it all off - nobody has even mentioned that little bitch over at the State Dept that seems to be dragging the whole world into WW3 - and yet when Condoleezza Rice left the board of directors of Chevron to become the National Security Adviser all of a sudden we need to get rid of those damn terrorist hiding Taliban so that Chevron's interests in the region are protected (hey another lucky person with her immense portfolio of stock she still has) and of course those multi-billion contracts between Haliburton and Chevron dont play into the picture much.

Sorry for the rant - but it seems like the Americans just sit and watch this shit and brush it off with a "ahhh- who cares we expect our politicians to be corrupt" attitude that is leading these wonderfully apathetic idiots right down the road to where Hitler would have loved to have had the German people a few years earlier - only it took him over 10 years to accomplish the same task

sue-fl · 2006-03-09, 12:49 AM

Very interesting article thanks for the reading! My husband has said for a long time it's going to be another Vietnam. He fought in that big mess, and went threw a lot of shit. Only to come home and be spit on by fellow Americans. I saved the link as I'm sure he will really like it.

I don't think we sit back with I don't give a shit attitude. What the hell are we supposed to do? The corruption in this government is running wild as your post about (Rumsfeld, Rice, Haliburton) proves. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Think about what we are all up against. I voted didn't vote for Bush but he won anyways. You can vote, protest, write, it doesn't matter. When you wake up the next day nothing has changed for the better it only gets worse.

Great points though and the similarities between the two wars are down right scary.

Bill · 2006-03-09, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

(in my eyes it already is extremely close to moving to a total dictatorship and wouldnt be surprised if the coming terrorist attack this year doesnt cause the final move to martial law and dictatorship)

That's pretty much what I expect, our country is still wide open for any number of attacks, and frankly, I believe the gang in charge wants the attacks, so they can get away with the clampdown.

But, as you knowm the american people have been being intentionally, systematically "stupid-ified" for the last 30 years. So, I pretty much believe it's hopeless.

The gangs in charge know that energy collapse and environmental collapse are right around the corner, and they want their boot on the throat of the people so they can steal the wealth of the country and escape before anything can be done to stop them.

And it looks like they will succeed.

Fun times ahead.

msanchez · 2006-03-09, 01:24 AM

Nice read there linkster thanks for sharing.

One thing I notice is that in vietnam it was the pictures comming back of our dead soldiers, the civilian casualties and the like that help to bolster the anti war movement.

This time around we dont see anything like that. When was the last time anyone has seen an image of US soldiers coffin comming home.

Is there any daily newspaper in the US that condems the war even? None that I know of.

This is all just going from bad to worse

SirMoby · 2006-03-09, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Sorry for the rant - but it seems like the Americans just sit and watch this shit and brush it off with a "ahhh- who cares we expect our politicians to be corrupt" attitude that is leading these wonderfully apathetic idiots right down the road to where Hitler would have loved to have had the German people a few years earlier - only it took him over 10 years to accomplish the same task

Americans sit around and watch shows that they think are news related when they're not. I'm shocked at how many people believe some of these shows are unbiased and informative.

It's not that Americans sit around and don't care. They simply don't know. They're not motivated enough to check the facts. As msanchez points out, the news is no longer allowed to show pictures of casualities or war torn Iraq. If we still had free press then Dubya would not have made a second term.

bunky2u · 2006-03-09, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

Americans sit around and watch shows that they think are news related when they're not. I'm shocked at how many people believe some of these shows are unbiased and informative.

It's not that Americans sit around and don't care. They simply don't know. They're not motivated enough to check the facts. As msanchez points out, the news is no longer allowed to show pictures of casualities or war torn Iraq. If we still had free press then Dubya would not have made a second term.

The problem lies with the way the media is being controlled by those who in favor or will benefit from the Iraq war. My suggestion to everybody in the US is to stop watching TV and reading what your press is feeding you. Check out what other English speaking countries are saying about the world.

Karl Marx may have been right in his time by saying, "Religion is the opium of the masses." Call me out to lunch, but TV dulls your senses and molds your opinions to mirror what you are watching.

Now for those of you who are wondering... No I don't watch TV. I don't have cable or satellite, and I would not have a single clue as to how to program a TiVo.

2006-03-08, 07:27 PM	#1
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2006-03-08, 07:34 PM	#2
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2006-03-08, 08:35 PM	#3
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	What kinda makes it weird for me is that I remember all of that happening back in the 60s (I was a teen and then in my early 20s in Wash DC) as I was right there in the middle of all of the protests/riots/demonstations/moratoriums etc. I still remember the May day when a bunch of patriots closed down the entire city by closing off all of the bridges with truckloads of thumbtacks and the tear gas that would make you cry your eyes out shot off by the police trying to regain control of the whole downtown area around the Washington monument - and the picture I think that sticks out in my mind the most is being on the mall(a grassy area between the Lincoln Mem. and the Capitol building) and seeing a machine gun nest set up on the steps to the Capitol. What a time it was - but at least then we had Americans who gave a shit about what was happening to their rights - instead of worrying about whether little Johnny is gonna be at soccer practice on time or todays selfish little brats that call themselves parents Just a bunch of apethetic little fucking whiney babies that wouldnt get off their ass (unless the TIVO was set ahead of time) these days - but then long after Im gone in a few years - they'll find out what happens when you dont defend your own American citizenship __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-03-08, 08:50 PM	#4
Erick G Look maah I moved out and got my own space:) Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 555	Now a days you challenge your gov and your considered unpatriotic Aint that some shit. Its unpatriotic not to challenge your gov.. people wont give two shits till it affects their daily lifestyle. No gas for the humongous suv to troll the kids around to sporting events or mind fields on the soccer field. __________________ Exclusive Feeds

2006-03-08, 11:48 PM	#7
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Bill - as long as only 55% of the eligible voters in this country feel that its worth performing their civic duty (as part of their compact with the US to remain a working democracy) this country will continue to be totalitarian (in my eyes it already is extremely close to moving to a total dictatorship and wouldnt be surprised if the coming terrorist attack this year doesnt cause the final move to martial law and dictatorship) - a full turnout of the voting population would not only be amazing, but it would be the first step to regaining what the original framers of the Constitution felt was necessary to keep this country alive. I see that earlier this week someone finally started reporting on the new Haliburton contract that was awarded - to build internment buildings and camps - on US soil - thats right - right here in the US. Of course the "given reason" was in case there is a breakout of "bird flu" we would have to quarrantine entire segments of the population but I think that with Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld making sure his company has given all the necessary patent rights to Roche to produce Tamiflu (he only gets a little residual income from that 2 billion dollar order the US just made on that 10 million worth of stock he owns in the company he was the CEO of) we should be able to protect everyone Its amazing how the CEO of a company becomes the Sec of Defense - gets his drug patent for a flu epidemic that hasnt even been dreamed of yet (4 years ago) and lucky for him he just happens to be the major stockholder of the company I guess thats sorta like the Vice President that was the CEO of Haliburton that gets all the construction contracts for Iraq rebuilding, Katrina rebuilding and now detention centers in the US - damn lucky he was in the right place at the right time And to top it all off - nobody has even mentioned that little bitch over at the State Dept that seems to be dragging the whole world into WW3 - and yet when Condoleezza Rice left the board of directors of Chevron to become the National Security Adviser all of a sudden we need to get rid of those damn terrorist hiding Taliban so that Chevron's interests in the region are protected (hey another lucky person with her immense portfolio of stock she still has) and of course those multi-billion contracts between Haliburton and Chevron dont play into the picture much. Sorry for the rant - but it seems like the Americans just sit and watch this shit and brush it off with a "ahhh- who cares we expect our politicians to be corrupt" attitude that is leading these wonderfully apathetic idiots right down the road to where Hitler would have loved to have had the German people a few years earlier - only it took him over 10 years to accomplish the same task __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-03-08, 09:26 PM	#5
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I love the war now. It's bungling and incompetence is one of the few things that is keeping this country from becoming a totalitarian state. We'll almost certainly become a totalitarian state anyway, but not quite so easily and completely. We might get a few more years of freedom as long as the wars continue. What I dread is the republicans withdrawing the troops - then there will be nothing to stop our becoming a defacto dictatorship.

2006-03-09, 12:49 AM	#8
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	Very interesting article thanks for the reading! My husband has said for a long time it's going to be another Vietnam. He fought in that big mess, and went threw a lot of shit. Only to come home and be spit on by fellow Americans. I saved the link as I'm sure he will really like it. I don't think we sit back with I don't give a shit attitude. What the hell are we supposed to do? The corruption in this government is running wild as your post about (Rumsfeld, Rice, Haliburton) proves. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Think about what we are all up against. I voted didn't vote for Bush but he won anyways. You can vote, protest, write, it doesn't matter. When you wake up the next day nothing has changed for the better it only gets worse. Great points though and the similarities between the two wars are down right scary.

2006-03-09, 01:24 AM	#10
msanchez It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Thumb Posts: 484	Nice read there linkster thanks for sharing. One thing I notice is that in vietnam it was the pictures comming back of our dead soldiers, the civilian casualties and the like that help to bolster the anti war movement. This time around we dont see anything like that. When was the last time anyone has seen an image of US soldiers coffin comming home. Is there any daily newspaper in the US that condems the war even? None that I know of. This is all just going from bad to worse __________________ I buy text links, clicked traffic, blog posts, and more! Hit me with a pm.