History Lesson please

tigermom · 2006-06-14, 07:53 AM

I'm curious, how did the whole concept of LL's and freesites evolve? Seems like there's quite a rigid formula for freesites nowdays, and I'm curious as to who started it, how and why. I started adult web publishing not very long ago (oh my, it's been actually 9 months come to think of it!), before that I didn't even surf porn... so I would appreciate a short history lesson if anyone cares to waste a few minutes on this useless noob question lol

Sexvilly · 2006-06-14, 08:36 AM

try this site http://www.buildinganempire.com/, it's old and has descriptions of the times when it all started. not just link lists concept, but everything.

Greenguy · 2006-06-14, 11:46 AM

I don't think there is a real hard set date or even a time frame. LL's (like everything else) just evolved over time.

tigermom · 2006-06-14, 01:41 PM

Yeah, I wasn't thinking in terms of a timeline, more like, did people use to submit larger sites, or smaller sites? did TGP with galleries came first and then someone came up with the clever idea of listing only sites? just curious really, as this seems like a very set format and very structured.

Greenguy · 2006-06-14, 03:00 PM

The rules that a lot of us have in place came about over a long period of time & are pretty much based on trends that we each saw that we didn't like. Like counters for example - there was a time when no one had a problem with them, but then some of them started with hidden files & spyware & whatnot, so a lot of us banned them.

I will say that I can't think of any rules that I've put in place for the last few years.

As far as what came 1st, I'd say (by definitions that we use today) galleries came 1st - just a page of pics (not thumbs, just the pics loading one after another) or a page of text links to the pics. Thumbs only became the norm a couple years later. When I started, I was just linking to pages that I found & thought looked cool. There was no distinction between TGP's & Link Lists, you pretty much just had a site that linked to porn

msanchez · 2006-06-14, 05:05 PM

Pretty neat thread. Nice to hear how things started and notice the evolution to how things are now.

Surfn · 2006-06-14, 05:38 PM

I made good money in the early years just from banner farms no links to pics even.

japamor · 2006-06-14, 05:42 PM

Fascinating thread. Anyone else got any recollections of the good old days?

Greenguy · 2006-06-14, 05:49 PM

I will say that it's a lot easier for me to speak out loud about the old days than it is to type it up.

Bill · 2006-06-14, 06:18 PM

When the first rules about the numbers of pics required came out, it used to be that you could put five thumbs on a page and have 4 pages of galleries - and you could plaster a ton of agressive links pretty much however you wished.

It was pretty common to make $200-300 fairly soon from even nasty looking freesites.

There was also a pattern and a period of what I called 'long page' sites - each page was 3 to 6 screens long and plastered with links. you made the surfer really look around to find the pics.

Then a bunch of folks came back from las vegas one year, and bang, the venerable ten thumb minimum rule, and a bunch of other new rules, went up everywhere and became the norm.

tigermom · 2006-06-15, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

I will say that it's a lot easier for me to speak out loud about the old days than it is to type it up.

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Linkster · 2006-06-15, 10:57 AM

The same type of start seemed to happen at the Hun - linking to what was "neat" and surfers submitting pages they found
A bunch of the old type sites can still be found in DMOZ listings - its pretty cool to look back

Greenguy · 2006-06-15, 04:18 PM

I registered my domain in late 97, so the Jan 28 1998 is a really good ideaof what I was doing back then:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...nk-o-rama.com/

Jim · 2006-06-15, 04:44 PM

There were linklists with a lot of today's rules back before I started. The good old days when you would build one site, get it listed on persiankitty and it would just stay on the list and get rotated.

I still remember the day when I went from about 100 visitors/day to 50k. I think that day was in March of 96. Like a moron, I waited until July to get a real domain name. Next month my first domain turns 10

Surfn · 2006-06-15, 04:53 PM

There were many easy ways to make serious money and still are. Blind linking thumbs comes to mind

2006-06-14, 07:53 AM	#1
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	History Lesson please I'm curious, how did the whole concept of LL's and freesites evolve? Seems like there's quite a rigid formula for freesites nowdays, and I'm curious as to who started it, how and why. I started adult web publishing not very long ago (oh my, it's been actually 9 months come to think of it!), before that I didn't even surf porn... so I would appreciate a short history lesson if anyone cares to waste a few minutes on this useless noob question lol __________________ XLEF

2006-06-14, 08:36 AM	#2
Sexvilly They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: www.sexvilly.com Posts: 140	try this site http://www.buildinganempire.com/, it's old and has descriptions of the times when it all started. not just link lists concept, but everything. __________________ I sell Blog Posts With Your Link - $5 Per Lifetime Link

2006-06-14, 11:46 AM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I don't think there is a real hard set date or even a time frame. LL's (like everything else) just evolved over time. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-06-14, 01:41 PM	#4
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Yeah, I wasn't thinking in terms of a timeline, more like, did people use to submit larger sites, or smaller sites? did TGP with galleries came first and then someone came up with the clever idea of listing only sites? just curious really, as this seems like a very set format and very structured. __________________ XLEF

2006-06-14, 03:00 PM	#5
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	The rules that a lot of us have in place came about over a long period of time & are pretty much based on trends that we each saw that we didn't like. Like counters for example - there was a time when no one had a problem with them, but then some of them started with hidden files & spyware & whatnot, so a lot of us banned them. I will say that I can't think of any rules that I've put in place for the last few years. As far as what came 1st, I'd say (by definitions that we use today) galleries came 1st - just a page of pics (not thumbs, just the pics loading one after another) or a page of text links to the pics. Thumbs only became the norm a couple years later. When I started, I was just linking to pages that I found & thought looked cool. There was no distinction between TGP's & Link Lists, you pretty much just had a site that linked to porn __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-06-14, 05:05 PM	#6
msanchez It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Thumb Posts: 484	Pretty neat thread. Nice to hear how things started and notice the evolution to how things are now. __________________ I buy text links, clicked traffic, blog posts, and more! Hit me with a pm.

2006-06-14, 05:38 PM	#7
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I made good money in the early years just from banner farms no links to pics even. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2006-06-14, 05:42 PM	#8
japamor I Love Turkish Delight, they're very moreish. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 578	Fascinating thread. Anyone else got any recollections of the good old days? __________________

2006-06-14, 05:49 PM	#9
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I will say that it's a lot easier for me to speak out loud about the old days than it is to type it up. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-06-14, 06:18 PM	#10
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	When the first rules about the numbers of pics required came out, it used to be that you could put five thumbs on a page and have 4 pages of galleries - and you could plaster a ton of agressive links pretty much however you wished. It was pretty common to make $200-300 fairly soon from even nasty looking freesites. There was also a pattern and a period of what I called 'long page' sites - each page was 3 to 6 screens long and plastered with links. you made the surfer really look around to find the pics. Then a bunch of folks came back from las vegas one year, and bang, the venerable ten thumb minimum rule, and a bunch of other new rules, went up everywhere and became the norm.

2006-06-15, 10:57 AM	#12
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	The same type of start seemed to happen at the Hun - linking to what was "neat" and surfers submitting pages they found A bunch of the old type sites can still be found in DMOZ listings - its pretty cool to look back __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-06-15, 04:18 PM	#13
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I registered my domain in late 97, so the Jan 28 1998 is a really good ideaof what I was doing back then: http://web.archive.org/web//http://...nk-o-rama.com/ __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash* By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-06-15, 04:44 PM	#14
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	There were linklists with a lot of today's rules back before I started. The good old days when you would build one site, get it listed on persiankitty and it would just stay on the list and get rotated. I still remember the day when I went from about 100 visitors/day to 50k. I think that day was in March of 96. Like a moron, I waited until July to get a real domain name. Next month my first domain turns 10

2006-06-15, 04:53 PM	#15
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	There were many easy ways to make serious money and still are. Blind linking thumbs comes to mind __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?