Domain blacklist issue

[kitty_kate]

I've submited yesterday one free site, after a two weeks delay. Today I received an email saying that my submission was rejected due to the fact I'm using sponsor hosting + my domain is blacklisted with SORBS.

Leaving apart the fact that I'm using sponsor hosting (the admin there is a friend of mine so he offered free hosting to me, why pay unnecesary bandwith bills?), I've checked with domaintools and it sais CLEAR. I've attached a screenshot with that.

I'm not questioning the rejection reason here, but it looks strange to me that I'm seeing a "clear" status when somebody else is seeing a "blacklisted" status.

Does anybody has a clue about this?

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I've checked from the SORBS page, too, and it sais that my-asian-kitty.com is NOT PRESENT in their database.
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[WarBot]

I cant figure out why SORBS has anything to do with you getting listed at a link list? What link list is it? If you dont mind telling.

Cheers
WB

[kitty_kate]

Its MrYum's free-porn-post.com

[WarBot]

Are you sure Mr. Yum said SORBS and not the useful scripts list?

http://bl.usefulscripts.com

I believe that means that youre not actually blacklisted, it just says that youre on a free host. So any link lists not allowing free hosts wouldnt list sites on that domain (pretty much all of them). Id imagine if you moved to paid hosting for that domain they would remove it.

(edited because I mispelled mr yum... Im still asleep)

[ponygirl]

hi kitty_kate

I am seeing that the domain is on the blacklist, this is from domain tools:
here's a screenshot of what I see

I don't know why it would be different when you look it up??

and some LLs will reject for being on the spam blacklist as well as the freehost.

[MrYum]

Yup, that was me

Two issues here...first and foremost is the sponsor hosting. That will get your sites declined with the majority of link sites. Sponsor hosting is considered the same as free hosting because you have no real control over what they will or will not add to your sites.

As to the SORBS issue, there was another recent thread on this subject. Unfortunately, the other thread didn't really generate the kind of feedback from other reviewers/list owners I'd like to have seen.

As stated in the other thread, my original thinking had been that if someone is spamming...I want nothing to do with them. Also, there's the issue of 'bad neighborhoods' with google. While I have no evidence of google taking that blacklist into consideration, it's also not a risk I'm willing to take. Unless and until, I get more information that there is zero risk involved of the engines using that list to determine bad neighborhoods.

As was revealed in the other thread however, apparently sometimes innocent people get bad IPs which can cause their domain to end up on that list. As was suggested by UW, the resolution for this would appear to be to get a new IP (which is what I suggested to Kate in the mail she received...also that she should consider a good paid host if she wants to get her free sites listed consistently). Getting a new ip shouldn't be a big deal with any reputable host, so this really shouldn't be a significant issue for a submitter to get corrected. Besides, I'd think someone would want to get their domain name off that list if at all possible.

Okay, ALL that said...I just checked your domain again and yes...as of right now...it is showing clear status. I have NO idea why it was showing up on the blacklist when I reviewed the site last night.

Soooo, in synopsis...

Kate, you really do need to get paid hosting if you want to get your free sites listed with the vast majority of link sites

The SORBS list? Honestly, I'm still up in the air on this one. I'll speak to some others and perhaps we'll get some more feedback on the subject in this thread.

As of right now, your domain shows clear...so it's a non-issue. But, if I were you...I'd make getting a paid host top priority and advise your new host that you need a clear ip

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Okay, ALL that said...I just checked your domain again and yes...as of right now...it is showing clear status. I have NO idea why it was showing up on the blacklist when I reviewed the site last night.

isn't that funny - just 5 minutes ago it was showing up as blacklisted. Anyone have an idea why it jumps around like that?

[WarBot]

Maybe it was just recently added and hasnt propogated to all the whois servers yet.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by MrYum

...As to the SORBS issue, there was another recent thread on this subject. Unfortunately, the other thread didn't really generate the kind of feedback from other reviewers/list owners I'd like to have seen...

Post the link & save me from using the search function

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Post the link & save me from using the search function

Here ya go Greenie

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=32969

[JustRobert]

kitty kate,
Truly your best move would be to get paid hosting. You can get a hosting plan for as little as $7 US a month.

Your freehosting, even if its a friend, could easily drop in ads on top and bottom without you knowing in the hopes of him/her earning more money. Think of it this way. Nearly all link lists have the 3 outgoing links rule. Your freehost drops in a couple iframes and you now have 5. You are now BL at the other lists as well. All your freesites you spent months working on are removed. Thats wasted work. Its just better to be in control of your own freesites.

Use the freehost for your own hub or other little projects you monitor regularly if ya need to keep bandwidth costs down in the beginning.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by MrYum

The SORBS list? Honestly, I'm still up in the air on this one. I'll speak to some others and perhaps we'll get some more feedback on the subject in this thread.

I was waiting also.

[kitty_kate]

I'm sure it said about the sponsor host + the SORBS blacklist.
Now I checked the usefulscripts.com too and it looks that indeed I am blacklisted (2 days ago I wasn't).

But I repeat, I was not questioning the reason of the rejection, I opened this thread for another reason.

With this occasion I wish to thank to the one placing me in the usefulscripts.com blacklist too... I think this is the way to behave with an honest free site submitter.

After all, what's the harm in having a sponsor host? Am I doing wrong in trying not to pay for bandwith? Am I doing wrong trying not to spend some money, especially at the begining?

[WarBot]

I think a few more points against free hosting are

1.) Link lists want to know that youre sites are going to be there tomorrow and not gone and redirecting. This is nothing against you but I think that most serious submitters use paid hosting.

2.) Alot of link lists dont list sites on free hosting. Link lists want traffic in return from your site (to make up for the traffic that they lose to other recips). So if they list you and noone else does, they dont get any return visitors to their recip from other link lists because noone else (or very few) listed our site.

In conclusion, worse things can happen Get some paid hosting (even very good hosting is cheap nowadays), get your domain removed from the useful scripts website, youre back in business.

Cheers
WB

[kitty_kate]

Well, a lot o responses while I was trying to reply for the 4th post in the thread...

I am about to buy a hosting plan from Dreamhost (found a good coupon) and I'll transfer my domain there.

With the FREE hosts I am aware they can play all sorts of games with you, the "hosted". But on the sponsor hosts I find hard to belive that a sponsor could be so stupid to play dirty tricks on you, knowing that if he does, all your free sites or galleries will be deleted from where listed, and this means NO MORE TRAFFIC -> NO MORE SALES for him.

If I would be a sponsor, I would have the interest to keep the submited free sites online as long as possible, you may never know when a sale arrives from there.

A free host (diferent from the sponsor) doesn't care a shit about all that.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Here ya go Greenie

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=32969

Preacher & I have an excuse: we were in Vegas

I'm sorta pissed I asked - that's a long thread - lol

[WarBot]

I think you give sponsors too much credit... In regards to youre being added to the useful script free host list, heres how I think it works. Theres a group of link lists owners (Mr. Yum is one of them) that are friends and help each other out. That list at useful scripts is part of that group. Whoever added you to the list was obligated to add you to the list because its what the group does. They each contribute and they all benefit from it. The only advice I can give you is to not take it personal. Its a business and everyone is doing what they think they need to do to make their business more profitable. Theres always room for honest webmasters.

[kitty_kate]

WarBot, you are right. But immagine how you can feel seeing that you get banned after all these hours of work... I think everybody would feel bad about this.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by kitty_kate

WarBot, you are right. But immagine how you can feel seeing that you get banned after all these hours of work... I think everybody would feel bad about this.

I weighed in on that other SORBS thread. That IP blacklist is shit. As you've already seen here today, some will see you as blacklisted, others will not. Thousands of individual domain names owned by hundreds of non-related strangers can be on a single IP. Alot of people use crack in this city - that doesn't make me a crackhead.

As far as sponsor hosting goes - this is a business. Spend some money and buy some cheap hosting. It'll gain you an ounce of respect from your fellow webmasters. There are a few good uses of sponsor and free hosting, but they should never be used for anything you want to submit to link lists.

[jp18cash]

hello

I am new here actually this is my first post... I am jp18 administrator. I have a problem understanding this "we don't like sponsor host" attitude.
Sponsor hosts give resellers more time to take care of their work instead of taking care of their servers.

Can you tell me a quality sponsor who added banners or redirected traffic from galleries submitted from their free hosts?

On the other hand, please help me understand why free host == sponsor host.

I believe there is a big difference between them.

regards

[Greenguy]

If you don't pay for hosting, it's free.

This debate has been going on for 6 years & you're not going to change anyones opinion on it.

Some link lists link to sponsor hosted sites & some don't - so if you have your sites on a sponsors host, find the LL's that will list them & stop wasting everyone else's time (including your own)

[jp18cash]

free content provided by 90% sponsors
free hosted galleries provided by 90% sponsors
free hosting provided by 70% sponsors
free submitters provided by 40% sponsors
etc etc

6 years ago how many provided all this?

I remember i had to buy content and make my own galls

[Greenguy]

100% of submitters using over-used free content don't get listed on my link list.
100% of submitters using hosted galleries do not get listed on my link list.
100% of submitters using free hosting don't get listed on my link list
100% of submitters using autosubmitters don't get listed on my link list.

I make a comfortable living.

[Greenguy]

I almost forgot:

Originally Posted by jp18cash

...I remember i had to buy content and make my own galls

Heaven forbid people have to actually buy content & make their own galleries.

Why don't you send your affiliates some traffic as well, that way they can make money without having to even be online

[jp18cash]

well some sponsors do that to