Traffic - I need good advice on buying traffic

[Simon]

I think I keep trying things I've never done before just so I can keep my Elder Noob status validated.

So what haven't I ever done before?

Well, for one thing, I've never purchased any traffic. Yes, I've used SE pay per click, but never straight out just purchased some traffic. And lately I've been wondering if there aren't some good uses for purchased traffic that I've just skipped over by not knowing enough about it.

So I'm looking to learn more about buying traffic, and I hope that there are some people here who are smarter than me about this and willing to share what they know.

In order to learn more, I'd like to send some purchased traffic to one or more of our sites. Depending on what I learn here it may just be one site, but I have some options on the kinds of site(s) to which I could send the traffic.

From what I can tell, there seem to be various sources of purchased traffic. Like the services that sell text links on various sites on a per click basis. And the traffic brokers which seem to have a variety of kinds of traffic available. Plus whatever other sources for purchased traffic you can tell me about.

I think we've all heard it said many times that if the traffic was worth anything they wouldn't be selling it. I can see how that might apply, but I'd also guess there's more to it than that. So if anyone wants to weigh in on that, or just wants to tell me why you think I should/shouldn't buy some traffic, please do.

I'll take all the good general advice and tips I can get, and any personal recommendations on good/bad traffic sources would be appreciated.

Simon


P.S. If you have some great traffic secrets and sources you don't want to share with the whole world, you can always contact me privately too.

[Simon]

P.P.S. I didn't mean to kill this thread before it got started by saying people could contact me privately. I really do hope that some folks will post some advice/tips/info publicly too.

[Ms Naughty]

I've never bought traffic... interested to see any replies.

[Simon]

Hmmm...looks we've stumbled on one of the tightly-held secrets, Karen. Seems like no one wants to reveal anything in public.

I thought for sure that some traffic sellers would have stopped in by now, at least. Can you imagine how this question would have gotten spammed on some other boards?

Gotta take the good with the bad I guess.

[Useless]

I have limited experience with purchased traffic, but I'm more than willing to talk about it. I've made two very small purchases in the past from Traffic-out and the productivity was good - even on the shitty little site I was sending it to. I did make a single sale directly from it, which almost paid for one of the traffic purchases. If you had a pretty refined page with no leaks, one could make a profit. I couldn't, but someone who knows what the fuck they're doing probably could.

I think, if you had a nice link/content site that was regurlarly updated, quality purchased traffic would be a good way to gain some exposure and bookmarkers. I'd never buy blind, 404, or other types of shit traffic. Clicked traffic is good stuff though and worth exploring.

[Toby]

Several months ago I decided to dabble a bit with purchased traffic to some of my galleries. I tried a couple of sources (AskJolene Topspots and Spotbrokers), with minimal success. Best result I had was a $30 PPS sponsor with a $2.95 trial. Sponsors without trials, both PPS and revshare, did not do well at all. I about broke even.

I probably won't bother with purchased traffic again. I'd be more inclined to purchase a text or banner link on a site(s) with traffic that's a good match for the niche's I promote.

[bluemoney]

Limited experience here also, but I've had some success with http://www.adultgalleria.com/

[babymaker]

I had some good luck with traffic holder, they are new and doing pretty good. Stu and me tested a lot of the various types they offer to various sources and found it's real good for building up bookmarkers to a tgp/ll etc and the cheapest traffic works best only 1.30 per K so it's not a big investment, you can get like $5 at a time i think even less once you fund your account. The no cookie 1.30 in the middle of list is what we both did best with, but we tried all of them by niche most expensive and then cheapest(all of the traffic is clicked, but forced skim from thumb tgps). Good luck.

[juggernaut]

I bought some traffic awhile back but have not bought in some time. I bought a large amount being I had the money back then and have contacted the seller and made a deal where the traffic was not so shitty and not sent in large amounts all at once. It still trickles in today and I like it that way as because of the deal the traffic is better. IE I get sign ups. But let me also say I am not buying traffic like some people. I'm buying it for my own paysite. But I stopped for one main reason. I think it was Greeny who woke me up with a statement along the lines, if someone is selling it, then how good can it really be? There are uses for it, but I can't see anything other sending it to other places that will send you back better.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by babymaker

...all of the traffic is clicked, but forced skim from thumb tgps

What? Make up your mind.

When someone says "clicked", they mean that the surfer intentionally clicked on a non-blind text link to your site (and the text should indicate something about your site). Forced skim is shit traffic, which ranks not far above pop-under and 404 traffic in my book.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

What? Make up your mind.

When someone says "clicked", they mean that the surfer intentionally clicked on a non-blind text link to your site (and the text should indicate something about your site). Forced skim is shit traffic, which ranks not far above pop-under and 404 traffic in my book.

ok you got me but technically it's clicked not 404 or pop-under...it's not like traffic-out tho i have used them too, but they can't send fast enough and neither is going to convert and the price at traffic holder is 1.30 compared to 3.50 or so for traffic out, but traffic out is great to for certian things, but for pushing traffic #'s to pick up bokmarkers and climb toplists etc traffic holder works better i think ( so buy damn it lol..it's hot i can't think )

[Useless]

Originally Posted by babymaker

ok you got me but technically it's clicked not 404 or pop-under...it's not like traffic-out tho i have used them too, but they can't send fast enough and neither is going to convert and the price at traffic holder is 1.30 compared to 3.50 or so for traffic out, but traffic out is great to for certian things, but for pushing traffic #'s to pick up bokmarkers and climb toplists etc traffic holder works better i think ( so buy damn it lol..it's hot i can't think )

You know, one might think that you are just trying that traffic holder place due to the fact that you posted your affiliate link to them. Traffic-out, who I have no invested interest in, sends traffic slower, because it's TRUE CLICKED TRAFFIC. All of the traffic sellers who sell QUALITY clicked traffic can't send you 1,000s of hits per day.

How you can say that lower quality traffic is going to get more bookmarkers is beyond me. How does being blindly redirected to another site inspire trust and make a surfer want to bookmark? It doesn't. Circle-jerking doens't create bookmarkers.

I suppose, if you just want to watch your stats fly high while the purchased traffic is flowing -then yeah, buy cheap shit traffic. But if one is purchasing traffic with hopes of an eventual gain, quality is going to win over quantity.

I blame that fucking Simon guy for this whole conversation.

[Simon]

Cool...some good feedback!

UW - Thanks for jumping in. That sounds like what I'm wanting to try. No blind clicks, or 404, or skimmed or anything like that. I'm interested in surfers who click a link which send them exactly where they think they're going. Mostly I'm looking to build bookmarkers, faster, but I wouldn't mind if some of them turned into spenders too. I'll take a look at what Traffic-out offers.

Toby - I don't think I have the whole gallery paradigm nailed well enough to try sending traffic directly to one of my galleries. I'd rather feed traffic into a MLL/MGP site if we can. I sent a note to AskJolene to see if they take anything besides galleries and paysites. I'll check out Spotbrokers to see how their setup works too. Breaking even would be fine if we can pick up some bookmarkers even at the breakeven point.

Bluemoney - Thanks for the info. I'll take a look at AdultGalleria and see how their PPC system might do for us.

Babymaker - Interesting that you found the least expensive traffic did well for building bookmarkers. I took a quick look at TrafficHolder and I'll drop them a note to see if they have traffic that isn't quite so blind. But it might be interesting to test how that kind of traffic likes it when they don't find any more blind links once they get here. Maybe that does turn into bookmarkers because they don't want to forget the site that didn't send them somewhere else.

Juggernaut - That's exactly the statement I've heard many times. But I've taken to wondering about whether it's just too broad a statement to apply across the board. For instance, you mentioned that the traffic you were sending to you paysite was generating signups. If you're not getting enough signups to breakeven on the cost of the traffic, then I'd stop too. But I'd be sure I was tracking the lifetime value of the member. Hell, if I could get near breakeven on initial signups that would be excellent, since the rebills would be gravy.

I'd still like to hear more people weigh in on the "if someone is selling it, then how good can it really be?" theory. I'm still a little surprised that no traffic sellers have replied with any rebuttals to that premise.

UW Part II - I've always accepted the baseline that forced traffic isn't worth much of anything. I'm still not interested in popunder and 404 traffic, but I'm thinking that it might be worth testing how traffic from cj-type sources sticks around when they find a non-cj site with plenty of content pages to entertain them.

Okay, so far I have these sources that someone here has tried:

Traffic-Out
TrafficHolder
AskJolene
Spotbrokers
Jugg's secret source

Has anyone use chokertraffic.com? I thought I'd seen some people post that they'd used them with some success. Are they the same as chickentraffic.com?

Any other good sources for traffic?

Any sources that are definitely ones to avoid?

More feedback sought, for anyone who'd still like to chime in here.

[KG Gary]

For the past few days I've been sending a few thousand extra visitors to two of my sites using Traffic Holder:
Fake LL/Hub - http://www.pynio.com/
Webcam Site - http://www.pyniosexchat.com/

I've used various types of the listed available traffic: UK, US, Canadian, general high quality, and webcams.
At this early stage the webcam traffic seems to be the most productive, and I'm quite happy with the service.
That's all I have though. Sorry to not be in a position to offer more info.

[Simon]

Gary - Thanks, that's good information too. Question: when you say "productive" do you mean that as in signups generated or number of outbound clicks per inbound click? Productive is good either way, just want to be clear.

Hey...I notice you're promoting the awe cams on your webcam site. Did they ever start a pay per signup program? I'm asking because their 15-day revshare program doesn't seem like a good deal. Never liked their attitude about how we don't deserve to get paid any longer than that (as said on other boards).

[Tommy]

I allways thought of selling high category links to tgps that are starting up

like maybe 30 days for 500.00

so they have some start up traffic to trade with

[KG Gary]

Originally Posted by Simon

Gary - Thanks, that's good information too. Question: when you say "productive" do you mean that as in signups generated or number of outbound clicks per inbound click? Productive is good either way, just want to be clear.

Hey...I notice you're promoting the awe cams on your webcam site. Did they ever start a pay per signup program? I'm asking because their 15-day revshare program doesn't seem like a good deal. Never liked their attitude about how we don't deserve to get paid any longer than that (as said on other boards).

Productive as in signups generated. It's been a pretty nice first few days of August in terms of revenue.

AWE have indeed started a PPS program, currently I think they pay $40/signup. Of all the live chat sites I've tried AWE has been the "easiest" to convert for me, but I've only been doing this for five months or so. Still very much a new guy.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I have limited experience with purchased traffic, but I'm more than willing to talk about it. I've made two very small purchases in the past from Traffic-out and the productivity was good - even on the shitty little site I was sending it to. I did make a single sale directly from it, which almost paid for one of the traffic purchases. If you had a pretty refined page with no leaks, one could make a profit. I couldn't, but someone who knows what the fuck they're doing probably could.

You know, I could have written that post
I also made 2 small purchases at traffic-out and the traffic was pretty productive, didn't make a sale from it but at least the surfers where clicking through my pages. I also have no clue on how to convert purchased traffic best
But Traffic-out only delivers to TGP and LL type of sites...

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Simon

Juggernaut - That's exactly the statement I've heard many times. But I've taken to wondering about whether it's just too broad a statement to apply across the board. For instance, you mentioned that the traffic you were sending to you paysite was generating signups. If you're not getting enough signups to breakeven on the cost of the traffic, then I'd stop too. But I'd be sure I was tracking the lifetime value of the member. Hell, if I could get near breakeven on initial signups that would be excellent, since the rebills would be gravy.

I bought my traffic from http://adult-site-traffic.com sorry for not posting it. I have always had a good relationship with the owner. Nothing super friendly but he has always been fair to me and willing to work with me when I need him. He sends traffic to my cam site and it's a free sign up. I get about 1:120 roughly signing up for free and bothering the girls on yahoo. Out of the sign ups I have not kept track as of late being I have a shit load of stuff going on in my life and really dont have much time anymore hence the after 10pm postings. But I make enough to pay for the hosting and buy some ice cream for me and the wife. I get my ccbill emails every other day or so for a $20 ro $50 spot purchase on the ladies. I do this cause I like to. Sure I would love to make it full time but I don't have the resources to commit to full time. I have too many bills to take such a large risk of leaving my job for something that in my mind is very very touch and go with making it work long term. The big boys who really are making a living at this full time worked their asses of durring a differant time with the internet. Times when you could toss up some nudes on a site and pull in 10, 20 30 k for a month or summer. I honestly think those days are gone unless you have the $$ to back it up an keep it running. I think most of the people here wish they could go really fulltime but know in the back of their minds it would not last 10 or 20 years. I'm someone who thinks realisticly and looks way to far ahead to risk so much on the internet. Sure it can pay off but odds are it won't and I really don't think I'm so special that I can make it pay off. I'm just an average joe with a hot cam wife who both love porn. But more then anything as a man 2nd to fucking my wife I love $$ and traditional jobs are what do that for me. Anyway blah blah blah from jugg..

[msanchez]

This is a pretty cool topic so thanks Simon for bringing it up.

Ill add my 2 cents from what little experience I have had.

Traffic Out is really nice for bookmarkers and from what I have bought I usually make enough sales to pay for the traffic.

I use clicked choker traffic to feed certain sites and these surfers do seem to click around but not so much with using the credit card to buy. Sometimes Ill see a sale but mostly I still use this to trade off somewhere else for better traffic.

I like the clicked choker traffic also becasue alot of times theres a pretty wide variety of pre filtered niches to choose from so you get filtered traffic for your niche.

The traffic comes in nice and slow so $100 will last me over a month. Im just cheap like that.

As far as I know choker traffic and chicken traffic are different versions of the same thing.

Well anyways thanks for the good read everyone.

[Simon]

More good replies...thanks!

Tommy - Nice idea. I'd hate to see your nice traffic get wasted in somebody's CJ network. On the other hand, if you decide to try it, I'd definitely want to talk with you about that. I can see how it would be good for sites with real content and no skim and it certainly could still help feed real trades.

Gary - I'm glad to hear they have (and you're on) their PPS program. Check some other boards or search "awempire pay rebills 15 days only" on Google if you want to check out the earlier problems. Congrats on the good start on August.

Fonz - Sounds like another good vote for traffic-out to me. That's the other kind of productive I meant. I'm thinking that with some sites, if you can get surfers to visit enough of your (good) pages after they arrive, you have a good chance of gaining more bookmarkers.

Juggernaut - Thanks for the additional traffic source to check out. I wonder if there'd be some correlation between the free signups you're getting and the free bookmarkers I'd be looking for. Seems like there would be. Plus they might sign up for other free things here if I offered some.

I know what you mean about the Internet being iffy, Jugg. If we hadn't gotten started so long ago, I'd be looking pretty hard at whether I thought there was still good money to be made for someone trying to get their foot in the door here now. It definitely does take money, hard work, lots of time, and some luck (see also: good relations with others). In the meantime, nothing wrong with some free ice cream.

Mike - Another vote counted, thanks! That's what I'm looking for. And thanks for the choker/chicken feedback. They do seem to have lots of niches covered, which could be good for some things I'm thinking of doing.

I expect that most traffic will leave without bookmarking, and those who bookmark won't buy right away. I've always been kind of a community builder, so my interest is in getting people to keep coming back. Making some sales from purchased traffic would be a bonus I'd love of course. But if they keep coming back I'll find them something they want badly enough to pay for.

To update the list, we now have these sources that have been mentioned so far:

AdultGalleria
Adult-Site-Traffic
AskJolene's Topspots
Traffic-Out
TrafficHolder
Spotbrokers

If anyone has other good sources for traffic, please feel free to mention them. Or if you have a horror story about some source to avoid, definitely come talk about it.

Still plenty of room in this thread for more feedback, so come talk traffic if you feel like it.

[emmanuelle]

I've always found that the best traffic is free- it takes some elbow grease, but you can find pure, interested surfers who convert much better on your own. You know your product better than any traffic broker.


The odd time that we purchase traffic, we get the best value by sending it to targeted toplists which in turn send back better quality (more targeted) traffic.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Simon

Cool...some good feedback!

Babymaker - Interesting that you found the least expensive traffic did well for building bookmarkers. I took a quick look at TrafficHolder and I'll drop them a note to see if they have traffic that isn't quite so blind. But it might be interesting to test how that kind of traffic likes it when they don't find any more blind links once they get here. Maybe that does turn into bookmarkers because they don't want to forget the site that didn't send them somewhere else.

It was pretty interesting both Stu and i were trying all the various types they had for a few days and sending it to different places some to galleries some to tour pages and then to our own sites, we tried the most expensive and cheapest and least and most trageted for all the different landing spots we were using only thing that was worth it was the no cookie 1.30 per K going to our TGPs and it picked up a good bit of bookmarkers, i think it is because the surfer was being thrown around through the CJ hell of skim tgps and then landed on our quality no skim sites that they stayed. True i have a refcode in there hehe but it's only a 5% payout lol and it goes right back to traffic you can skip it if you buy from them. Traffic Out is good too i have bought from them a few times but for 1.30 a K the other just is too good to pass up. One thing to keep in mind too for anyone here don't send any of the traffic to tour pages lol....it fucks up the shave bots big time and puts you in a new shave braket as the script now thinks your a whale and will push your ratios in the wrong direction, so not only will you not make a sale off the forced traffic, your good traffic you send of off freesites etc will now not convert the same and you will lose sales....so avoid this idea ....err...wait i mean sponsors don't shave lol

[Mr. Blue]

I'ved used the following:

Traffic-out - the traffic was good and productive. It was a little slow in the delivery, but well worth it.

Choker - Now, I've run some careful experiments with choker traffic. I've tried it on some galleries. Galleries that would normally convert at 1:300 with standard tgp traffic, would convert at 1:5000 with choker traffic. I still turned a profit but not enough to keep me interested in trying it

FPCTraffic - Ravo is pretty reliable traffic and pretty good cheap feeder traffic. You can buy a variety of traffic from clicked North American only, etc, etc, etc.

If you're looking for traffic to build a hub, tgp, or linklist, I'd probably recommend going directly to some established tgps and think about buying links with them.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by babymaker

One thing to keep in mind too for anyone here don't send any of the traffic to tour pages lol....it fucks up the shave bots big time and puts you in a new shave braket as the script now thinks your a whale and will push your ratios in the wrong direction, so not only will you not make a sale off the forced traffic, your good traffic you send of off freesites etc will now not convert the same and you will lose sales....so avoid this idea ....err...wait i mean sponsors don't shave lol

Gee, I didn't even think about that...but yeah now that you say it, lol.