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Old 2007-12-01, 11:00 AM   #1
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Affilaite Credit at CCBill

Just spoke with Patrick at CCBill and thought this would be of interest.

Every system has to set a hierarchy on how to handle affiliate credits and to the best of my knowledge, this is the way that CCBill currently does it.

Cookies and IP’s are treated in basically the same manner.

Assuming this all happens during the period the cookie is active. (3 days is default – all GMP sites are set to at least 120 days)

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer buys a membership - affiliate #1 gets credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - bookmarks the site - returns via bookmark - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by typing the URL in his browser - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by searching via Google (or nay other SE) and clicks on the pay-site in the results - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by searching via Google (or nay other SE) and clicks on affiliate #2’s site (LL, FS. Gallery, Blog, etc..) - then clicks through to my pay-site - affiliate #2 gets the credit

If the customer returns after the cookie has expired, no affiliate credit is given.

In summary,

Because we consider our affiliates a critical part of our marketing team, we believe 3-days is way too short of a period and have set CCBill cookies to expire a minimum of 120 after the last visit through an affiliate link.


What can I do as a pay-site owner?
1. Be sure to provide clear “bookmark” links within my tour
2. Extend cookies to a period longer than 3 days
3. Allow affiliates to optimize tours to get the sale on the first visit whenever possible
4. Listen to the needs and concerns of my affiliates

Am I missing anything?
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Old 2007-12-01, 01:23 PM   #2
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Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by searching via Google (or nay other SE) and clicks on affiliate #2’s site (LL, FS. Gallery, Blog, etc..) - then clicks through to my pay-site - affiliate #2 gets the credit
That scenario is out your hands. If another webmaster manages to send the same surfer back to your tour via the CCBill link, cookie #1 is overwritten. That's how the cookie crumbles.

The best you can to do for an affiliate is set the cookie life to 255 days, which is the maximum allowed in the CCBill interface. I know that Simon from Cash Fetish mentioned that's what he has his set to.

Here's something I've been thinking about which may help affiliates market your site. Give a really good and accurate description of what is in the members area. Screen shots of it are good as well. Do a truthful review of your own site(s). Affiliates are typically left to market a paysite based completely on the tour. And frankly, most tours do a piss-poor job of informing potential members and webmasters of what content is on the other side of the door. We could do a much better job with our promotional efforts if we had a clear picture of what types of content you offer and how many different types of action are present. For example, a babe site may have more than just pics of naked babes. There may be toying and lesbian content as well. This is the kind of thing that helps an affiliate wrap themselves around a site and fully market its potential.
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Old 2007-12-01, 01:51 PM   #3
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yup, best thing we can do is keep the cookies active for 255 days. we do that. Its the honest thing to do.

also to what UW was saying on member areas, I have no problem giving a legit affiliate members area access to either check it out or grab some content to promote. If a program does have a problem with that, you should consider what are they trying to hide?
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Old 2007-12-01, 02:50 PM   #4
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also to what UW was saying on member areas, I have no problem giving a legit affiliate members area access to either check it out or grab some content to promote.
I agree 100% - so far, I haven't run into any "affiliate clones" that just sign up for the free content. Access to the members area does help.... just ask and we'll set you up.
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Old 2007-12-01, 03:08 PM   #5
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Just spoke with Patrick at CCBill and thought this would be of interest.

Every system has to set a hierarchy on how to handle affiliate credits and to the best of my knowledge, this is the way that CCBill currently does it.

Cookies and IP’s are treated in basically the same manner.

Assuming this all happens during the period the cookie is active. (3 days is default – all GMP sites are set to at least 120 days)

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer buys a membership - affiliate #1 gets credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - bookmarks the site - returns via bookmark - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by typing the URL in his browser - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by searching via Google (or nay other SE) and clicks on the pay-site in the results - affiliate #1 gets the credit

Affiliate #1 sends a customer to my pay-site - the customer does not buy at that time - returns to the site by searching via Google (or nay other SE) and clicks on affiliate #2’s site (LL, FS. Gallery, Blog, etc..) - then clicks through to my pay-site - affiliate #2 gets the credit

If the customer returns after the cookie has expired, no affiliate credit is given.

In summary,

Because we consider our affiliates a critical part of our marketing team, we believe 3-days is way too short of a period and have set CCBill cookies to expire a minimum of 120 after the last visit through an affiliate link.


What can I do as a pay-site owner?
1. Be sure to provide clear “bookmark” links within my tour
2. Extend cookies to a period longer than 3 days
3. Allow affiliates to optimize tours to get the sale on the first visit whenever possible
4. Listen to the needs and concerns of my affiliates

Am I missing anything?
off topic I did merge your site into my CCbill account, your stuff looks good, also on preacher new site, I gotta dig out my epoch account info and get your guys links up soon
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Old 2007-12-01, 05:11 PM   #6
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off topic I did merge your site into my CCbill account, your stuff looks good, also on preacher new site, I gotta dig out my epoch account info and get your guys links up soon
Sounds good plateman, thanks.
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Old 2007-12-01, 08:02 PM   #7
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i think i'll be going back to ccbill , i'll make sure to edit the cookie
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