Can we save Flirt4Free?

trulymadly · 2008-01-15, 02:11 PM

Anyone here promoting VideoSecret sites ( eg. flirt4free etc etc )

I personally find it getting harder and harder to convert, anyone here share the same feeling that this Once Upon a Time a great cam site is going downhill?

I, for the strangest reason here, feel a little attached to the site, perhaps cause I personally know some models who work there and try to help them out a little before they all jump ship.

Anyone share the same feeling that the people who run the site never really take the opinions of webmasters like us seriously?

If you do, please write your ideas here how VideoSecret can improve their conversion and I will send them link to read this thread. So may be they will really think about it.

Here is my thought:

1) Need more promotional tools.

2) Need upgrade to the Java video feed so non-members cannot see for free. ( Now 90% of the people voyeur the video chat for free through the small video and do what they do, all for free ).

3) Need upgrade to chat platform so the time limit of non-members that can stay in the open room really works. ( Now almost everyone simply hang around the room for free forever and chat to each other without paying a cent ).

4) Stop the whispering bullshit in the chat box, many members before use to take private so they can talk to the models privately. Now they simply whisper for free without paying.

5) For 5.99 a minute, they should have the cam to cam option.

6) Give models the power to kick rude chatters and spammers.

I am sure I have missed something here. If so, please feel free to add it to the list.

Lets gather together and support this thread, and send this thread to VideoSecret so we can all convert better.

Thanks,
TrulyMadly

Ronzo · 2008-01-16, 12:40 PM

I admire your good intentions, but I don't feel sliding conversion rates are unique to VideoSecrets. I don't pretend to be an expert on adult marketing, but I've been around the business for awhile... almost 9 years. I'm working harder, and investing more time, but earning less for my efforts. I believe the "free porn" issue is the driving force behind this challenge.

Thousands upon thousands of free hosted galleries, free sites, free trials and so many other offerings with the word "free" attached... plus all the "tube" sites popping-up... is catching up with this industry, IMHO. It's a marketing strategy that's pretty much backfired... as adult webmasters, we've done a good job of convincing surfers that they really don't need to buy porn... and assume whatever risks they associate with buying porn... to enjoy and get out of it, whatever it is they want.

Surf around, and see if you come across anything you just have to buy... it's easier and more impulsive to just to click on a link and move on to the next page or site to see what's there. Bottomline, there's just too much of everything.

trulymadly · 2008-01-16, 02:53 PM

Well said, I do agree with all the free stuff on the net is doing the majority in this industry no good at all. After running a TGP myself for a couple of years, there is nothing but frustration.

May be its just me be being crap in TGP business.

I have since then spent most of my time concentrating in the cam site area, I figure there is only so much a surfer can get for free in a cam site ( in terms of interaction ), gallery or tubes just simply do not offer such experience.

There are still cam sites that are doing rather well, and the income I received is much higher than running a, say TGP. I like video secret sites and I know they can do better.

I just wish they look at other sites and learn a little and stop thinking they are still the invincible top dog. Haven't anyone there read the first case study in business courses? See what happened to IBM when they thought they were invincible.

VS_Jeff · 2008-01-21, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trulymadly

Well said, I do agree with all the free stuff on the net is doing the majority in this industry no good at all. After running a TGP myself for a couple of years, there is nothing but frustration.

May be its just me be being crap in TGP business.

I have since then spent most of my time concentrating in the cam site area, I figure there is only so much a surfer can get for free in a cam site ( in terms of interaction ), gallery or tubes just simply do not offer such experience.

There are still cam sites that are doing rather well, and the income I received is much higher than running a, say TGP. I like video secret sites and I know they can do better.

I just wish they look at other sites and learn a little and stop thinking they are still the invincible top dog. Haven't anyone there read the first case study in business courses? See what happened to IBM when they thought they were invincible.

I have responded to your claims in the other 4 forums you've posted this *exact* thread on.

Please let me know if there's any new information that you wish me to address.

2008-01-15, 02:11 PM	#1
trulymadly If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 32	Can we save Flirt4Free? Anyone here promoting VideoSecret sites ( eg. flirt4free etc etc ) I personally find it getting harder and harder to convert, anyone here share the same feeling that this Once Upon a Time a great cam site is going downhill? I, for the strangest reason here, feel a little attached to the site, perhaps cause I personally know some models who work there and try to help them out a little before they all jump ship. Anyone share the same feeling that the people who run the site never really take the opinions of webmasters like us seriously? If you do, please write your ideas here how VideoSecret can improve their conversion and I will send them link to read this thread. So may be they will really think about it. Here is my thought: 1) Need more promotional tools. 2) Need upgrade to the Java video feed so non-members cannot see for free. ( Now 90% of the people voyeur the video chat for free through the small video and do what they do, all for free ). 3) Need upgrade to chat platform so the time limit of non-members that can stay in the open room really works. ( Now almost everyone simply hang around the room for free forever and chat to each other without paying a cent ). 4) Stop the whispering bullshit in the chat box, many members before use to take private so they can talk to the models privately. Now they simply whisper for free without paying. 5) For 5.99 a minute, they should have the cam to cam option. 6) Give models the power to kick rude chatters and spammers. I am sure I have missed something here. If so, please feel free to add it to the list. Lets gather together and support this thread, and send this thread to VideoSecret so we can all convert better. Thanks, TrulyMadly

2008-01-16, 02:53 PM	#3
trulymadly If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 32	Well said, I do agree with all the free stuff on the net is doing the majority in this industry no good at all. After running a TGP myself for a couple of years, there is nothing but frustration. May be its just me be being crap in TGP business. I have since then spent most of my time concentrating in the cam site area, I figure there is only so much a surfer can get for free in a cam site ( in terms of interaction ), gallery or tubes just simply do not offer such experience. There are still cam sites that are doing rather well, and the income I received is much higher than running a, say TGP. I like video secret sites and I know they can do better. I just wish they look at other sites and learn a little and stop thinking they are still the invincible top dog. Haven't anyone there read the first case study in business courses? See what happened to IBM when they thought they were invincible. __________________

2008-01-16, 12:40 PM	#2
Ronzo WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 40	I admire your good intentions, but I don't feel sliding conversion rates are unique to VideoSecrets. I don't pretend to be an expert on adult marketing, but I've been around the business for awhile... almost 9 years. I'm working harder, and investing more time, but earning less for my efforts. I believe the "free porn" issue is the driving force behind this challenge. Thousands upon thousands of free hosted galleries, free sites, free trials and so many other offerings with the word "free" attached... plus all the "tube" sites popping-up... is catching up with this industry, IMHO. It's a marketing strategy that's pretty much backfired... as adult webmasters, we've done a good job of convincing surfers that they really don't need to buy porn... and assume whatever risks they associate with buying porn... to enjoy and get out of it, whatever it is they want. Surf around, and see if you come across anything you just have to buy... it's easier and more impulsive to just to click on a link and move on to the next page or site to see what's there. Bottomline, there's just too much of everything.