What did i do wrong?

[former surffer]

Hi GreenGuy;
Is it allowed to ask why i wasn't listed?
I submitted our site to your "nude babes" page last Sun.
http://www.sweet-taste.info
What did i do wrong?
Your link is on our links page:
http://www.sweet-taste.info/links/index.html

Anybody else care to critique us, please do.
Would you list us? Why/Why not?

Anybody wanna hard link trade?

Thanks,
- Former Surffer

[Useless]

GG is enjoying his weekend away and MML is busy, so I'll try to sum it up for you. - That site is not a free site, and even if it was, you can't just put his link on some unseen page - it must be BEFORE/ABOVE the Enter link. You need to study the rules before you submit links like that.

[former surffer]

Sorry for posting this in the newbe section. I did not read the ENTIRE forum before posting, but I DID read the rules.
I admit i may not understand a few, but i do understand rule 7. Quote:

"7.If you link to us from the page we are linking to, do not put the link under your "enter" button - no one looks down there.
The link back DOES NOT have to be on the 1st page, but if it is, it has to be above the enter link."
(i did not add caps to "DOES NOT" that is cut n paste from the rules page)
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I put the GG link on our links page where ALL our hard links are.
There are NO adult links on our warning page.
The point of a warning page is to get rid of underage traffic, not send them to some other adult site.
Of course GG is free to reject us for that if he wants. (rule 26)
But i don't think that was it.

Quote:
"That site is not a free site,..."

Please explain. I beleave we are free. We aren't making a dime off the surffers, just sponsors.
And what does that have to do with it?
The Nude Babes page lists pay sites, free sites, and in between.

Thanks UW, (But could you put this thread back in the newbe section)
[squirming under the pressure]
- Former Serffer

[Torn Rose]

He was referring to the LOR rules and no, you did not read them, if you did you would not have submitted a "site" (this word is being used loosely with what you submitted) larger then 800x600

Take a few minutes and look over the thousands and thousands of free sites on LOR and compare them to what you submitted.

[former surffer]

Quote:
"He was referring to the LOR rules and no, you did not read them"

Well it isn't for the lack of looking.
Can you even point me to a page that even links to them?
I could only find the linking rules:
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/therules.htm
How am i to know there are more than one set of rules?

Can we tone it down a notch?
Have i offended you? By not finding a well hidden LOR rules page?
Torn, you are not helping. Constructive criticism would have been to provide a link to the allegded LOR rules page. Take a few hours and look over the millions and millions of sites on the rest of the web. 2 pages is not considered a 'site'.

I thought i started this in the newbe section. Did i screw up, or was i moved to the pro section for sport? Can we move this thread back to the newbe section?

[Torn Rose]

"2 pages is not considered a 'site'"

This is why you have no idea what you are doing, as I said before, look over any of the thousands of sites he has listed, like this one I just randomly grabbed http://fs.sharedfreesite.com/nasty/w...tml/greenguy89

warning page
index
free gallery one of 10 pics
free gallery two of 10 pics

*THAT* is a free site

If you can’t take the time to look over the sites that are listed and see what the other people are doing then you are in the wrong business.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by former surffer

I thought i started this in the newbe section. Did i screw up, or was i moved to the pro section for sport? Can we move this thread back to the newbe section?

I moved this thread to where it belongs. This is where people ask why they were not listed, whether they be new or pro.

I'd suggest you do as Torn instructed. Go back to the GG's list and compare what you have submitted to what is listed. See how others have linked to him and from where they have linked.

Any site that does not charge for entrance is free, but that doesn't make it the type site that get's listed on link lists.

[former surffer]

Thanks UW, that is helpful.
I don't usually look at other sties for limitations, but for possabilities.

I did a survey of the 202 free site links on the Nude Babes page.
(cus that's where i'd like our site to be listed)
Yes, Most link back from the warning page,(i knew that)
7 link back from other pages,
3 have dedicated links pages (as we do, but i expected more sites to have them)
Surprisingly, 52 (1/4) don't link back at all.
Of the 8 "Recommended Free Sites" only 1 links back.

Of course we do, and will continue to, link back.
But i prefer to keep our warning page free of adult links. No adult options for the non-adults to follow.
Would it be acceptable to have a separate warning page just for link lists?
Under the assumption that the non-adults have already been turned away by the time they got to the list?
Probably not, why have a warning at all, in that case.

I was less through in checking page counts, but i only found one site with more than 4 pages.
http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/gallery/
Brings up the questions: Is there a problem with having more than 4 pages?
Why couldn't i have our main site listed? Instead of a phony 2 page throw-away?

Again, I wish you had left me in the newbe section. I'm looking for advise from peers.
Not "help" from a competitor. (Torn)
I missed his reference to the 800pixel rule, cus he hid it behind an undeserved RTFM and insults to our site.
I thought we were within 800 pixels, but i have now re-checked.
Ok, there it is, a table on the main page that's 815 pixels.
COOL, i can fix that and re-submit.
Why cop an attitude about it?

What's his other complaint? We're different from the other sites?
GOOD!
I want us to stand out from the crowd.

Of course, the opinion that counts here is GreenGuy's.

- Former Surffer

[KG Gary]

"Of course, the opinion that counts here is GreenGuy's."

I'm about as new and green as it gets, and can't offer any advice regarding your issue, but that was a rather silly thing to say!

- Gary.

[Torn Rose]

Instead of crying in your oatmeal over being picked on, grow up and realize I just happen to know what the fuck I am talking about and the idea of me being a competitor to you is a joke since I get listed when I submit.

If you take the time to read the LOR rules and ACTUALLY READ THEM instead of skimming them, you would have known that the hub you submitted is a hub and not a free site. Here are the rules that would tell you what you need to know, I will try and explain them to you.

*minimum of 20 pics (and minimum of 10 pics per page)*

Let’s see, 10 pics PER PAGE and 20 pics minimum… that means I NEED 2 PAGES and since I ONLY NEED 2 PAGES, why waste my time making more then 2 pages for JUST FOR ONE LISTING when I can make more FREE SITES and get MORE LISTINGS which will increase the odds that I make $$$$$$$$.

*no more than 3 banners/links to sponsors on each page*

Should I have a page with 20 links to 20 sites here? Naaaaah… rules are rules.

*a clear cut warning page without misleading "enter" links*

hmmmm, “clear cut”, wonder what that means…. Should I have an actual warning page? And if I do give a warning should I bury it with links to other sites?....damn, that 3 link max rule just kicked in…

*You must link back to us*
too easy…..

*You must be trading traffic with at least 5 other Link Lists*
too easy….

*If you link to us from the page we are linking to, do not put the link under your "enter" button - no one looks down there. The link back DOES NOT have to be on the 1st page, but if it is, it has to be above the enter link.*

I wonder if I can put the recip link below the enter link…?

*Your site has to look decent at 800x600 - if I have to scroll to the right to see the entire page or things just look "off", it will be declined.*

But I like that side to side scroll….

Once again, THIS IS WHAT A FREE SITE IS

warning page
index
free gallery one of 10 pics
free gallery two of 10 pics

You can submit your hub over and over, and cry all day long that it’s a free site, but who will accept it? And since it’s the Link List Owners who accept/decline the submissions, don’t you think you should use their definition of what a free site is and not what you think it should be?

As for your investigation that ¼ do not link back at all, hate to burst your bubble, but those belong to the link list owners themselves who post their own free sites on their own link list to make more $ which is the point of it all.

So you need to decide if you want to spend your time trying to get the LL owners to changes their rules when damn near of them use the exact same rules, or you can wake up and realize that this dick knows what he’s talking about since he makes $ and gets listed when he submits. And if you think I’m too harsh then you really truly are in the wrong business. Trust me; you will know when I am harsh.

And you just wait until Useless’s meds wear off and then see what a nice guy he is, this is the first time I remember that the cocksucker has ever been “nice”.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Torn

And you just wait until Useless’s meds wear off and then see what a nice guy he is, this is the first time I remember that the cocksucker has ever been “nice”.

Firstly, Torn is a dick , but he is offering up some very solid instruction. When you reply to Torn, keep in mind that he is one of GG's good friends. Trust me, GG is a very nice person, but he usually doesn't go into much detail when a site is submitted (such as yours) which is way off the mark. He pretty much sums up his response with "Read the rules. If your site doesn't break the rules, you'll get listed."

Secondly, we are all your peers. Even if this thread had remained in the newbie section, it would have been the same people responding to it. The newbie section is not only newbies helping newbies. That would be bad. That's what we call the blind leading the blind. You need thick skin if you are going to post examples on a webmaster board.

[RawAlex]

FS: First up, remember that the 800 X600 rule doesn't mean you can make your page 800 pixels wide - it means it has to fit on an 800 X 600 screen browser without sideways scrollbars. That means a number something like 740 wide otherwise the scroll bars appear.

Really though, it isn't important.

Your site isn't a "free site" in the link list view of things. It is a promotional hub. It is a place to send surfers to try to sell them something. It has hundreds of pictures, a pile of links, and just generally doesn't conform in the slightest to the idea of a free site that link sites are looking for (and I run link sites, I know what I am looking for).

You site might or might not be nice. It might or might not sell. The design may or may not be nice. That is not subject of discussion here.

The simple fact is: Your site is not a free site, so submitting it to greenguy or findpics or tommy or whoever isn't going to get you listed. It doesn't matter if you change the size of a table or whatever... your site isn't what anyone is looking for.

Now, before you call me a meanie and say that we have no clue, let me explain a simple thing to you: If you want traffic from greenguy or whoever, you build sites that match their rules. Don't claim or suggest you have "a better thing" or that you deserve some sort of special rules because your site is somehow superior. You want the traffic, you follow the rules.

As a side note, I don't like .info domain sites (the .info registry isn't for porn sites).

Alex

[Linkster]

I would just interject here that looking at the sites listed in the recommended area or some of the sites listed in the regular links could be a little misleading for the non-initiated:
Linklists tend to list sponsor hosted sites and other links to their own free sites as well as friends (that link to Tommys was a good example) as well as the "standard submitted free site"
Where you are going wrong is that there is a set "template" for free sites submitted to linklists that takes a little research to find the definition of - but simply put - a free site for submission consists of a simple warning page, a main page and two galleries or so - the recips are not required to be on the warning page although evolution of the free site game has pretty much put them there - I still get a few submits every day that have them on the main page and that is not a problem
The type of sites you want to submit your site type to is the adult search engines, directories and toplists - but it really does not fit a linklist (unless you start your own and list your own sites )

[Linkster]

BTW - forgot - most linklists wont accept sites on .info, .biz, .us, etc

[natalie]

my 2 cents, before you start arguing with people former surffer, check their post count. If they have more than a few hundred or over 2000 (in the case if Torn) you can pretty much figure that if you abuse them you will not get listed in a ton of places. When they have that many posts it means they are part of the big family here AND either a moderator or a friend of GG's.
I would hate to see a newbie fuck themselves over in their first month... well actually thats a lie, I love to see it I also love to see UW get nasty lol

[Jel]

Mine for what it's worth.....

Way back when, I built a free site that had about 20 galleries, stories, adult Gif's the works. I subbed it to a member of this board, who rejected it with the line 'this is not a free site'. ????????? I thought, it is surely free? Well yes it was, a free 'site', but it wasn't a 'free site' as defined by LLs. I scratched my head, shrugged my shoulders and gave up. One wasted year later I found out what a 'free site' was, as opposed to a free 'site'. Two different animals entirely.

First thing you have done correctly is come and ask, I wish to fuck I had and gotten in a year earlier, nothing wrong in asking, if you don't, you won't know. It's all too easy to get 'aggressively defensive' if that's even possible, it's human nature, attack or run. But.... sometimes doing neither is the option, and saying hmmm, ok, so what do I need to do here to resolve this issue. Some people will answer you in a more 'direct' manner than others, don't take it to heart.

Take the advice given, Torn gave a definition of a 'free site' as defined by Link Lists, _that_ is what you need to be building, either to feed sponsors, or your own hub, which is what you have there.

"Not "help" from a competitor." = not a wise thing to say, this board, no, in fact this entire industry is just about the only business where all the competition will help each other so freely. You wont find 'uber secrets' being dished out, but you will find a massive amount of info that can and WILL make you money if you follow the advice given by the majority of webmasters.

"What's his other complaint? We're different from the other sites?
GOOD!
I want us to stand out from the crowd." Sure you do, but LL owners don't. They want their sponsors to stand out from the crowd, they want their (submitted) free sites to give the surfer, especially bookmarkers, what they are used to, and why the keep coming back.

Trust me, LL owners love quality submitters that make good clean sites that follow the rules, and in the LL and free sites for LLs game, that means following the accepted standard.

Good luck

[Useless]

Originally Posted by natalie

I also love to see UW get nasty lol

Hehe...that kind of turned me on. |cool|

[former surffer]

Thanks UW, I hope i did not tarnish your rep as a bad-ass.
"Firstly, Torn is a dick , but he is offering up some very solid instruction"
Maybe, but he's been hostile to me from the get-go, i would be a fool to trust him.
I have stoped reading his posts.

RawAlex & Linkster:
"Your site isn't a "free site" in the link list view of things....
... and just generally doesn't conform in the slightest to the idea of a free site that link sites are looking for..."
"... there is a set "template" for free sites submitted to linklists ..."
Thanks guys.
Yeah, I'm a little slow in catching on to the new (to me) deffinition of "free site"
I read the rules, and...
No you didn't.
Yes i did.
No you didn't.
Yes i did.
No you didn't.
ALRIGHT! i'll re-read them now.
...
Nope, as i was gonna say, it ain't covered in the rules. :-)
".... and just generally doesn't conform ..."
I'm surprised that adult webmasters are such conformists. :-)

"I don't like .info domain sites (the .info registry isn't for porn sites)."
"most linklists wont accept sites on .info, .biz, .us, etc"
Nuts, Now ya tell me. What ever happened to the .xxx domain?

Natalie:
"...before you start arguing with people former surffer, check their post count...if you abuse them..."
Ya got it backwards, he was abusive to me.
When i posted, i tried to be humble, low key, non-confrontational.
Maybe i came off as submissive, and he got horney. I don't know.
Sure there are problems with our site. But it's not like HE has to do the work to fix it.
Why get hostile about it? If giving advise is such a drag for him, he should stop giving advise.

Thank You Jel! Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.
VERY helpful. (sombody understands!)
Your post should be a sticky in the newbe forum.
" "Not "help" from a competitor. (Torn)" = not a wise thing to say, "
I was tring to say he was treating me like a competitor, which, of course we're not.
"...if you follow the advice given by the majority of webmasters. ..."
Indeed. Most folks here have been helpful, and i'm taking our site back to the shop.

Thank you.
- FS

[Torn Rose]