I have PR2

[iwillbenumber1]

My crappy, poorly updated, beta stage, yet to be complete, broken linked website just got a google PR2 up from PR0!!!!

I guess its a start

[T Pat]

I hate to bust your bubble, but PR just isn't what it used to be.
Surfin told me probable a year ago to not pay any attention to PR and that webmasters were wasting there time worrying about PR

[iwillbenumber1]

That is what I have heard........

I am getting about 300-500 uniques per day, so it doesn't mean a lot. The only advantage is when you go to trade traffic, it makes you look a little better not to have PR0.

I plan on getting things going by Oct 1. Based on much advice I am changing format from a thumb to a text tgp and keeping gallery skim low. Below 20%. I will get my feeder traffic and some good trades and hopefully do well

Jason

|rasta|

[DangerDave]

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=11135

DD

[MadMax]

The only reason I worry about PR at all is that so many people want to see a certain amount of PR before doing hardlink trades. That said, congrats. |rasta|

[Klove]

I just keep adding links, and eventually my PR will go up =)

Even though im a new site still with PR0.

[Linkster]

Madmax - and others - as Ive said many times in the other threads here:

If someone wont trade with you based on your toolbar PR number - THEY ARENT WORTH TRADING WITH AND DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING!!!!!!

[DangerDave]

Linkster do you ever feel like a broken record...


Listen to what we say people... we don't type for our own fun...

PR via the Google Toolbar(or any other public tool that I have seen) is grossly innacurate... or just plain wrong!

People trading on PR values.... as Linkster said.... are fools that have no idea what they are talking about..!

DD

[eman]

Originally posted by DangerDave
Linkster do you ever feel like a broken record...


Listen to what we say people... we don't type for our own fun...

PR via the Google Toolbar(or any other public tool that I have seen) is grossly innacurate... or just plain wrong!

People trading on PR values.... as Linkster said.... are fools that have no idea what they are talking about..!

DD

From where I'm standing both Google and Yahoo are "just plain wrong".

I've never tried to "beat the system", I've always opted for what might be called "the safe approach" but recently I've been "hung out to dry" by both Google and Yahoo.

I'm not about to "give up", but I'm wondering where to start "the fight back!" And my overuse of the "parenthetical emphasis" just has to stop here!

[T Pat]

Originally posted by eman
parenthetical

First time I had to go to a dictionary to see what a word ment on GGandJ

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


parenthetical

adj 1: as if using parentheses; "a parenthetical style" [syn: parenthetic] 2: qualifying or explaining; placed or as if placed in parentheses; "parenthetical remarks" [syn: parenthetic] n : an expression in parentheses; "his writing was full of parentheticals" [syn: parenthetical expression]


(or is that a some kind of black hat search engine optimisation phrase?)

[Linkster]

eman - I had the same feelings just about a year ago - thats when Google decided that English speaking humans (read its not politically correct in the US) shouldn't see porn sites when they search for the keyword sex - I was running between #5 and #12 dependant on freshness of my pages - which was running about 30k-40k uniques a day just for that one search term - and let me tell ya - that was some serious cash I was making from those "newbie surfers" In Googles attempt to provide the best surfer experience, they removed World Sex, Janes Guide and myself as well as I believe Smoothie was on the second page and a few others. Then I made a big stink about it - and I got removed from the keyword in the foreign indexes last month - I kinda went public about the censorship they were doing and they knew who I was
So - now the foreign results still show the real results (except for my manual removal) if you change the hl=en in the browser addy for the search for "sex" to hl=es or some other language.

I also got tagged for a few other terms back at the beginning of August - traffic dropped about 70%, however I believe that was something Google caused themselves with a bad crawl of the web - and most of that has recovered - while I do see that some still havent recovered - I just noticed that they are using a new bot software and from what Im hearing its bringing people back inthe index that shouldnt have been dropped, and is doing a number on those idiots that have been using 302 redirects with a cloak to hijack people sites

As far as yahoo - real simple - Im not in there but I dont care - Im in their directory and ranked pretty high for sex and porn in the directory search - but I give myself more targetted traffic than that from one free sites recips LOL

[Linkster]

DDave - yeah I do feel that way some times - its getting to the point where I am sick of handing out free advice cause there are so many idiots out there that people would rather listen to - and this whole PR score thing has really soured me - damn I wish people knew the power of trading links based on traffic and branding and would uninstall the damn toolbar

[Klove]

I keep amasing link trades a check them weekly, with or without a pr value, all you're guys usefull hints have helped out a bit, and will trade with anyone, anywhere.

That might change in the future as I dont want a link farm, but a link list =)

As everyone starts getting more traffic from the trades the better it is for all of us, and the more we link the more prolific our sites are spread.

Without you're guys help i wouldnt have been able to figure this out.

Thanks

[Bill]

eman, that's kinda the risk you take with a centralized approach to the search engines- by centralized I mean depending on one or a few central domains to collect most of your listings.

The centralized approach has a lot of advantages too, as Linkster's mention of 30k creamy surfers makes clear.

Ultimately you usually/probably make more money with a centralized approach when it is working, but you have less financial swing and risk when you decentralize and try to have lots of pages getting more average listings.

Ideally one would do some of both, like having a balanced portfolio of holdings.

[Linkster]

Bill - thats one thing that I had luckily done back in 2001 - diversified - and built enough traffic on other sites to keep me going no matter what happened in the SEs - now I just keep building on to that, both on existing sites, and new sites that I keep "generating"

[Greenguy]

LOR is a PR5, yet my penis seems rather small

Trade traffic, not penis size

[MadMax]

Originally posted by DangerDave
Linkster do you ever feel like a broken record...


Listen to what we say people... we don't type for our own fun...

PR via the Google Toolbar(or any other public tool that I have seen) is grossly innacurate... or just plain wrong!

People trading on PR values.... as Linkster said.... are fools that have no idea what they are talking about..!

DD

I agree completely. Unfortunately for me, I'm having a lot of trouble getting hard link trades on new sites and a lot of people want to see the freakin' green bar before they'll trade with me. Personally, I care about how many hits the SEs send, and the ONLY reason I even pay attention to the freakin' green bar is that it's been assigned value by so many other people.

Perhaps I just need to take another approach to finding hard link trades, as posting for them in the traffic forums on boards has yielded some success but not that much. However, I haven't done a round of link begging since I started posting here so I think I'll go start a thread now.|rasta|

[DangerDave]

a lot of people want to see the freakin' green bar before they'll trade with me

Max that is a good measure of people NOT to trade with!

LOR is a PR5, yet my penis seems rather small

I believe there was a rule excluding your penis size from board discussions.


DD

[McSpike]

Originally posted by Linkster
Madmax - and others - as Ive said many times in the other threads here:

If someone wont trade with you based on your toolbar PR number - THEY ARENT WORTH TRADING WITH AND DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING!!!!!!

wish everyone was thinking like that, but until that happens I need to have my pages marked with green.

[Linkster]

McSpike - like Ive said - if they wont trade because of the green - they arent worth the trade - and wont make the green in the long run try asking for trades at boards like this one where people know the worth of page structure and traffic - and know how to trade based on the community linking of the web

[McSpike]

Linkster, beside the PR value, how would you estimate the value of a link from a site asking for a link trade?

What weight (value) in per cent do you give these non-PR factors when deciding wether to do a link exchange or not:
- site theme (topic)
- site size
- site reputation
- site age
- number of backlinks

Next month I am coming out with a new hybrid type of site (kinda like DDs) with a lot of other content (besides the free porn), like reviews, blog... well, a really big site with a couple of 1000 pages.

So, it's gonna be new, it's gonna have PR0 (on internal pages) and since there are quite a few of you here who value site's importance not based on PR, I'd like to know what chance I really stand at trading with you.

[Linkster]

Google has always liked backlinks - and lots of them - and the fact that they are from similarly "themed" pages helps a little as do about 150 other factors ranging from the title of the page to the fact that the page validates through an html checker.

The first 4 factors you mentioned really dont come into play for PR(page rank) since by definition that is the PAGE rank - not the SITE rank - now the way a site is setup and "if" there is a recurring theme throughout the site and the linking structure is good, pages can transfer their PAGE rank around more efficiently

Most good trades that Ive done were based on:
traffic
type (or theme) of pages
my view as to whether the person is trying to spam the SEs
the WMs willingness to "network"
my take on whether the person is a hobbyist or serious
I watch the persons willingness to help others out

those are the qualities I look for - maybe cause Im old - or maybe cause my sites have always weathered any of these ups and downs and it's always been my approach - or maybe cause I think Im just right

[McSpike]

noted