LL's as directories?

[tigermom]

I have several years of experience in non-adult, but I'm relatively new to the adult niche. I want to focus on search engine traffic and wonder whether submitting to LL's would help me?

In non-adult, submitting to directories can be an excellent way to get backlinks from on-topic pages. The only thing is to make sure that the directories are using clean html links without any nofollow tags.

My adult sites aren't your run-of-the-mill freesites on subdomains. I do text-rich sites, some of them quite large with 20 or so pages of text, not just galleries. Some of them are blogs. Should I even try submitting to LL's? I am looking for good, effective ways to increase ontopic backlinks to the sites.

Here are a few examples of my sites -
www.bukkake-on-her-face.com (a blog)
www.dogging-outdoor-sex.com (a minisite)
www.housewives-sex-party.com (a minisite)
www.college-fuck-parties.com (still being built, but you can see this is a larger than usual site)

I had a look around at submission rules, and I noticed LL's are considering only the standard free site (i.e. a warning page with a big ENTER link to a main page + 2-3 gallery pages). What if my sites are different? should I even bother submitting to LL's? Again, it's quality inbound links that I'm looking for, not instant traffic (not that I would object to traffic).

BTW, I myself have set up a couple of adult directories, the kind I was hoping to find around. If you want to see what I have in mind as a directory please check www.hodir.com and www.xlef.com.

Thanks in advance for any feedback. I do consider myself a newbie still, so please... feed me with info!

[RobertK]

Hi Annette,

IMHO some LL's will add your sites because they have proper categories. I got a larger stories site listed on Link-o-Rama and DangerDaves LL. But most LL's will only list the standard free sites.

I also run a porn stars directory with 700+ pages and I build free sites with a small text link to directory main page on the same domain. The free sites are also linked from the directory, so I will get a good PR in short time.

[Linkster]

Just a quick look at one of your minisites - a few of the rulebreakers would be the blind links, too many links off the pages, not enough "story" content, and the pictures being video captures.

If it is done right these types of sites do well - but just take a gander at some of the rules at the link lists first as you would still have to meet those

[tigermom]

Thanks for the feedback Linkster. A few questions if I may. What blind links are you referring to? I think maybe I'm not clear about the definition of blind links... Would a link saying "click here for more sex" be considered a blind link? what does a legit link have to say?

I guess this is where I am left wondering. Why all these rules in a link list? To me as porn surfer, a site with some content, images and sex stories, no dialers, no malware and no pop-ups, sounds very nice. Why put the extra limitations such as not allowing video captures (assuming they're of decent quality), strict rules on minimum and max number of pics in galleries and such? Just wondering really. I am not overly concerned. If LL's won't accept my sites, it's something I'd like to know in advance so as not to spend too much time on submitting. I'll be happy with doing link exchanges with other sites instead. As I said, long term SE traffic is my aim, and not immidiate LL traffic.

Thanks again in advance for any feedback!

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by tigermom

Would a link saying "click here for more sex" be considered a blind link?


what does a legit link have to say?

Why put the extra limitations such as not allowing video captures (assuming they're of decent quality), strict rules on minimum and max number of pics in galleries and such? feedback!

Hey tigermom - basically yes your example is a perfect blind link - the reason is that there is no "destination" really given to the surfer - just appending something like "at suchandsuch.com" or "at my linklist" puts in that destination.
The reason stems from old programs years ago that used to make very misleading banners that would use misdirection as their "capturing tool" to screw with surfers.

The problem with video captures is the exact assumption you made - they are not of very good quality in 99% of the cases when a sponsor is involved - if you were to do your own you could easily make captures that were not even detectable as the quality would be much higher - and that is what keeps surfers coming back to a link list - quality pictures and movies.

The strict rules are based on years of watching out surfers - getting feedback from them, and underlying all of this, most of us also make free sites to submit as well - and we are pretty knowledgable of what sells and what doesnt.

If you do some searching around here, you will find a good explanation for just about every rule out there - Ill take on the min/max number of pics for ya - the minimum is to be able to generate a site with at least two galleries (to distinguish it from a tgp gallery just thrown behind a warning page) and 10 is just a good basic number to put on a page - so 2 pages - 20 pics. The maximum comes from a desire to not give too much away for free - from a sale point of view, you want to tease the surfer into buying - not give him everything he needs in a little free site

Hope that helps some

[tigermom]

I read you on the rules and why they're there. I am sure there was a lot of thought put into each one. I do another blind link question (sorry for being such a noob) - what about a navigation menu on my site, where I have a link saying "free bukkake movies", or "bukkake stories" or just the name of a story as a link, for example "housewives sucking at party", would these be considered blind links? The thing is, I am very particular about my anchor text in links, for SEO reasons. The anchor text is my targeted search phrase, and I don't want to dilute it with non-relevant words. Turning "Bukkake stories" into "Bukkake stories on our site" will dilute my keywords and screw my SEO efforts.

[Linkster]

A blind link is something that takes you away from the internal navigation of that free site - if you are just naming the two galleries/stories that are available on the free site the anchor text if fine - and to avoid the muddying of the SE effect (which is a totally different discussion as I have a differing opinion LOL) you can always have a "Gallery 1" that is not linked next to the phrase you do link.