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JustSomeGuy · 2006-06-30, 08:45 AM

First off... Hello, I'm new... love the site & hope to learn as much as I can. Well, might as well jump right to the meat of it...

When you guys/gals are designing sites, what resolution are you designing for 800 x 600 as a web standard or pushing out to 1024? I seem to be finding a lot of disparity in what people are calling "standard", is there a site or publication that keeps track of what people are using... when... where... etc... Any help or nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated, thanx - JSG

MrYum · 2006-06-30, 09:57 AM

This comes up from time to time and the consensus has been that it's not quite time to make the jump to higher res as there are still a fair amount of our target customers at 800 x 600.

And you've already found the best site for information on the free site / link list business

Darkhorse · 2006-06-30, 12:51 PM

I'd agree wth 800X600 it is still the most widely used resolution to current date.

virgohippy · 2006-06-30, 04:15 PM

I wonder what % of the 20% or so of surfers who view at 800x600 are really just webmasters trying to see what the surfers see... |badidea|

I like to layout stuff so it looks best at 1024, but keep it looking decent at 800. If you can keep a scroll bar from appearing at the bottom when viewed at 800 the rest is pretty easy.

JustSomeGuy · 2006-07-02, 09:17 PM

thanks...

virgo, do set it up so the browser window resizes to fit your sites? the only reason i ask is i'm wondering how many people have their browsers set to full screen on start-up & if it had ever caused you any problems?

virgohippy · 2006-07-02, 09:50 PM

If you're asking whether or not I use sneaky java tricks to force a window resize, the answer is No.

That'll get ya banned from listing at some places!

What I mean is that I view at 1024, and like to make use of % widths, rather than absolute pixel widths. This gives tables that "stretchy" effect. Just have to be careful with it, cuz it can make things real funky real quick.

A few tips on working in 1024:

- About 750 pixels are available to work with at 800 resolution.

- If there are borders on two sides, center your table! As resolution changes, so do widths.

- Keep standard font sizes 12-14. Less is too small at 1024, more is too big at 800.

- Preview your sites at 800. If you're using FireFox this is very helpful: http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/
(Thanks for sharing it Cleo)

ronnie · 2006-07-03, 04:02 AM

Seems like it's always a pain for me to make a % table, does'nt look right in one monitor or resolution or another..

Probably just me.

I still stay close to 800 wide.

ronnie

goldrush · 2006-07-03, 09:06 AM

There was actually an article on digg a few days ago saying that the most common size is 1024x768 and the second most common resolution is 1280x1024. But you would still have to design for 800 to fit in with the rules at most places...

oast · 2006-07-03, 09:23 AM

I've started using divs and CSS rather than tables. Makes it a hell of a lot easier

That affords me two main alternatives for layout
1) Fixed-width main div set at approx 754px centered on the page
2) 100% width with fixed-width side bar(s) totalling a maximum of 300px - which leaves a comfortable minimum of 450px for the content on smaller resolutions.

With option 2, if you use absolute positioning, you can get your main content read by the SEs before your left sidebar/nav menu content.

The only thing you have to worry about then, is that the DOC-TYPE declaration is set correctly for the page to look the same in all browsers. (Something that had me scratching my head for a couple of hours one day, wondering why IE wasn't laying out the divs correctly)

JustSomeGuy · 2006-07-05, 08:41 AM

IE gives me all sorts of problems with CSS, i think it's time to take a little more in depth look into the eric meyer books? Anyone have a good CSS resource on online?

oast · 2006-07-05, 09:19 AM

Some of the sites I read are:
ALA (A List Apart)
W3Schools
and
HTMLHelp

Google is a good resource for CSS Tutorials

If you needed help with something specific, you could ask here... quite a few good CSS 'coders' read this board.

Simon · 2006-07-05, 09:36 AM

The folks at evolt have a few clues too.

http://evolt.org/search/node/css

Their articles on liquid design would apply to the thread's initial question too I think...

http://evolt.org/search/node/liquid+design

itto · 2006-07-05, 05:20 PM

i recently discovered, about 30% of all the people i know use 800x600 - and that would be all people over 50 years of age that just stick to their old windows setup, or just can't simply read the texts on a higher resolution.. i think, designing for 800x600 seems like a good idea.

LivingColour · 2006-07-25, 07:06 PM

http://glish.com/css/
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/

I found them useful.

2006-06-30, 08:45 AM	#1
JustSomeGuy Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7	Size... First off... Hello, I'm new... love the site & hope to learn as much as I can. Well, might as well jump right to the meat of it... When you guys/gals are designing sites, what resolution are you designing for 800 x 600 as a web standard or pushing out to 1024? I seem to be finding a lot of disparity in what people are calling "standard", is there a site or publication that keeps track of what people are using... when... where... etc... Any help or nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated, thanx - JSG

2006-06-30, 09:57 AM	#2
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2006-06-30, 04:15 PM	#4
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I wonder what % of the 20% or so of surfers who view at 800x600 are really just webmasters trying to see what the surfers see... \|badidea\| I like to layout stuff so it looks best at 1024, but keep it looking decent at 800. If you can keep a scroll bar from appearing at the bottom when viewed at 800 the rest is pretty easy. __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-07-02, 09:50 PM	#6
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	If you're asking whether or not I use sneaky java tricks to force a window resize, the answer is No. That'll get ya banned from listing at some places! What I mean is that I view at 1024, and like to make use of % widths, rather than absolute pixel widths. This gives tables that "stretchy" effect. Just have to be careful with it, cuz it can make things real funky real quick. A few tips on working in 1024: - About 750 pixels are available to work with at 800 resolution. - If there are borders on two sides, center your table! As resolution changes, so do widths. - Keep standard font sizes 12-14. Less is too small at 1024, more is too big at 800. - Preview your sites at 800. If you're using FireFox this is very helpful: http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/ (Thanks for sharing it Cleo) __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-07-03, 09:06 AM	#8
goldrush Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	There was actually an article on digg a few days ago saying that the most common size is 1024x768 and the second most common resolution is 1280x1024. But you would still have to design for 800 to fit in with the rules at most places... __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2006-06-30, 12:51 PM	#3
Darkhorse WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 46	I'd agree wth 800X600 it is still the most widely used resolution to current date.

2006-07-02, 09:17 PM	#5
JustSomeGuy Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7	thanks... virgo, do set it up so the browser window resizes to fit your sites? the only reason i ask is i'm wondering how many people have their browsers set to full screen on start-up & if it had ever caused you any problems?

2006-07-03, 04:02 AM	#7
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Seems like it's always a pain for me to make a % table, does'nt look right in one monitor or resolution or another.. Probably just me. I still stay close to 800 wide. ronnie

2006-07-03, 09:23 AM	#9
oast With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 316	I've started using divs and CSS rather than tables. Makes it a hell of a lot easier That affords me two main alternatives for layout 1) Fixed-width main div set at approx 754px centered on the page 2) 100% width with fixed-width side bar(s) totalling a maximum of 300px - which leaves a comfortable minimum of 450px for the content on smaller resolutions. With option 2, if you use absolute positioning, you can get your main content read by the SEs before your left sidebar/nav menu content. The only thing you have to worry about then, is that the DOC-TYPE declaration is set correctly for the page to look the same in all browsers. (Something that had me scratching my head for a couple of hours one day, wondering why IE wasn't laying out the divs correctly) __________________ Playboy Webmasters - The name says it all! $35 per signup or 60% revshare.

2006-07-05, 08:41 AM	#10
JustSomeGuy Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7	IE gives me all sorts of problems with CSS, i think it's time to take a little more in depth look into the eric meyer books? Anyone have a good CSS resource on online?

2006-07-05, 09:19 AM	#11
oast With $10,000, we'd be millionaires! We could buy all kinds of useful things like ... love! Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 316	Some of the sites I read are: ALA (A List Apart) W3Schools and HTMLHelp Google is a good resource for CSS Tutorials If you needed help with something specific, you could ask here... quite a few good CSS 'coders' read this board. __________________ Playboy Webmasters - The name says it all! $35 per signup or 60% revshare.

2006-07-05, 09:36 AM	#12
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	The folks at evolt have a few clues too. http://evolt.org/search/node/css Their articles on liquid design would apply to the thread's initial question too I think... http://evolt.org/search/node/liquid+design __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2006-07-05, 05:20 PM	#13
itto Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18	i recently discovered, about 30% of all the people i know use 800x600 - and that would be all people over 50 years of age that just stick to their old windows setup, or just can't simply read the texts on a higher resolution.. i think, designing for 800x600 seems like a good idea.

2006-07-25, 07:06 PM	#14
LivingColour Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Belarus Posts: 2	http://glish.com/css/ http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ I found them useful.