Outlaw Amateurs - my first free site -feedback please

[papagmp]

Let's see if I've been paying attention: I'm going to start submitting this and the rest of our "outlaw" series of free sites this week. I still have a lot of work on templates and the like – sure you all understand – but at lease I’m not hurting for content.

http://www.outlawamateurs.com/index.html

Anyway – tear it up – I can use all the critique I can get.

I’m also looking for sites that would fit nicely into an “outlaw” theme – teens, anal, lesbians, foot fetish, etc…. Now – are we western outlaws, biker bitches, or are we just gonna ban the act?????


Papa GMP
http://www.outlawamateurs.com/index.html and http://www.glassmannequin.com/

[ponygirl]

Hi, I took a quick look at it, it's not too far from listable

A few things I did notice:

-your 2257 page has links back to the tour page which I would decline for, some other LLs might too.

- those banners for soloteengirls & glassmannequin could be mistaken for thumbs, especially on the main page, as well as the glassmanequin one on the gallery pages. I'd really have to think about those, if the rest of the site was ok I might let it go but you should get some more opinions about that one.

- your full size pics are pretty big, they loaded ok but you should be able to crop/resize and optimize them down to about 80kb or so. That may not get you declined...but then again it might

whois was down so I don't know if there's anything in there that would hurt you.

the background graphic is kinda busy, especially with the colors of text you've chosen, but I don't usually decline for stuff like that, if it works then good for you

If you're planning on doing lots of freesites on that domain you should probably think about doing them in folders and keeping the index for a hub or something more useful than a freesite. You could also submit to more Link Lists that way. As to the 'outlaw' theme, you could probably make any category fit that with the right props and costumes.

other than that, I don't see anything major wrong with it, I'm sure you'll get some more feedback here too

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

-your 2257 page has links back to the tour page which I would decline for, some other LLs might too.

I'll have that fixed tonight - My database guy asked if he could use the same 2257 data - he used the entire page- oops...

Originally Posted by ponygirl

- those banners for soloteengirls & glassmannequin could be mistaken for thumbs, especially on the main page, as well as the glassmanequin one on the gallery pages. I'd really have to think about those, if the rest of the site was ok I might let it go but you should get some more opinions about that one.

Mmmmm- I like the way they work for layout - I get tired of horizontal banners - but I see your point. We added the domain to try to clarify this but... Oh well, I'll use them where I can and set other sites up without them - as needed.

Originally Posted by ponygirl

- your full size pics are pretty big, they loaded ok but you should be able to crop/resize and optimize them down to about 80kb or so. That may not get you declined...but then again it might

And I thought you all thought bigger was better!

Originally Posted by ponygirl

- whois was down so I don't know if there's anything in there that would hurt you.

Whois should be good - domains are registered to me with aplus.net - love these guys - and the registrar info is not hidden. Please check it out when whois is back up and let me know if I should change anything.

Originally Posted by ponygirl

- the background graphic is kinda busy, especially with the colors of text you've chosen, but I don't usually decline for stuff like that, if it works then good for you .

Actually I agree - but I went with the busy background for this one...

Originally Posted by ponygirl

- If you're planning on doing lots of freesites on that domain you should probably think about doing them in folders and keeping the index for a hub or something more useful than a freesite. You could also submit to more Link Lists that way. As to the 'outlaw' theme, you could probably make any category fit that with the right props and costumes.

I'll probably keep this one in the root - and add more in sub directories. I'll follow your advice on outlawlesbians.com

Yup - I'm a little excited about the outlaw theme - have over 90 domains to play with - including outlawinternet, outlawfreeporn, outlawpornlinks etc.....

Thanks again for the feedback - Now to get to work....

[Preacher]

I think you'd be better off focusing the advertising on the site to your own site and drop the other two sponsors. For a free-site on an index, I'd be especially text intensive to really try to get some search engine love.

Those thumbs with the text on the bottom will get you declined. Split those into 2 images lay them in a table and only link the text at the bottom. What I'd do is place the thumbs unlinked and link real text below the thumbs, personally.

Totally off of topic, for a freesite on a root -- you sure chose an intresting and diverse set of linklists to submit to.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Those thumbs with the text on the bottom will get you declined. Split those into 2 images lay them in a table and only link the text at the bottom.

now there's a fine idea

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I think you'd be better off focusing the advertising on the site to your own site and drop the other two sponsors.

I'll give this some thought - and will probably do just that. I wasn’t sure if I could/should do this or if it looked too self serving.

Originally Posted by Preacher

For a free-site on an index, I'd be especially text intensive to really try to get some search engine love.

SEO, SEO, SEO - and I know better!

Originally Posted by Preacher

Those thumbs with the text on the bottom will get you declined. Split those into 2 images lay them in a table and only link the text at the bottom. What I'd do is place the thumbs unlinked and link real text below the thumbs, personally.

I split the images - I'll work on the text - and a background behind it so it's legible. This is a great idea - especially considering the above mentioned for "text" or "content" on a root directory.

Originally Posted by Preacher

Totally off of topic, for a freesite on a root -- you sure chose an intresting and diverse set of linklists to submit to.

OK - I'm not a virgin anymore - been accepted at a few LLs and waiting on the others. - still need to wring this one totally out so the next one is as near perfect as possible.

One more question: Is it ok to run the same free site in a subdirectory with different LLs or is that a no-no?

Expect to see outlawlesbians.com in a few days..... you should have see the responses I got when I posted this subject on a blog the other day - some of those girls don't want to be outlawed.

Thanks for all the help.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by papagmp

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One more question: Is it ok to run the same free site in a subdirectory with different LLs or is that a no-no?

Most people don't want a sub-domain, but a directory off the root is fine. Good luck with your sites.

[Useless]

I accepted it, but I'd like to see the thumbs a little clearer/crisper. Judging by the full size pics, you aren't worried about bandwidth , so for the next site I'd suggest beefing the thumbs up to the area of 5-8kb each. Their dimensions are fine, so bringing up the weight would aid in making them much more clear.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'd like to see the thumbs a little clearer/crisper.

OK - I use photoshop CS2 for most of my workflow and I batch using the web photo gallery function to create web images and thumbnails - I don't need any of the html it produces but I like how it handles my images - problem is I don't see a way to change the weight (jpg compresssion) of the thumbnails - guess I'll just have to write another action to get better thumbnails. One more step......arrrg

Thanks for the feedback and listing - saw it on your site this morning.

[papagmp]

[quote=Useless Warrior;329109]II'd suggest beefing the thumbs up to the area of 5-8kb each.QUOTE]

Done...

take another look http://www.outlawamateurs.com/index.html

And I brought the image size down to 800x535 = 1335 - killed me but bandwidth will become an issue and I'll save the large images for the pay site(s).

[ronnie]

Photoshop has the "Save for Web" with all the options you could want.

Seems kinda of a waste to use the root for free sites, your so limited and you cant change them much later, you run the risk of getting dropped or banned. Do the free sites in sub-folders as mentioned and use the root for a traffic building hub.

[papagmp]

Thanks for the help on http://www.outlawamateurs.com/ I was too late on the root issues so I'll leave it there - write it off to a learning curve and move on.

My second attempt is a bit cleaner, not in the root, smaller images, beefer thumbnails, promotes my own site and in short, incorporates most of your suggestions. There are a few things nagging at me on it so I thought I’d ask for your input before submitting.

http://www.outlawhardcore.com/free_sites/01/index.html

Have at it – and thanks in advance.

Papa GMP

[Linkster]

Interesting choice of names since there already exists an outlaw and his link list outlaws porn - but I guess everybody has to start somewhere

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Interesting choice of names since there already exists an outlaw and his link list outlaws porn

I didn't know that when I purchased the block of domain names - but Outlaw was gracious enough to list my first site – and we’ve already seen traffic and sales coming from his LL. Hope this one meets his standards too.