Who wants super clean gally's submitted daily?

john0pr0n0 · 2004-09-20, 07:30 AM

In case everyone didnt know.. i am hunting down more parnter and submitter accounts. Would prefer bigger tgp's but i dont mind diong some smaller ones too.. ill submit daily as many as ya need.

Some samples:

http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...01/gallery.htm

http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...03/gallery.htm

http://www.onlycleanpics.com/pics/mo...12/gallery.htm

i host these all on a dedicated 100mbit box.. so they aint giong no where or gonna be redirect..

I have references too if needed..

post here or email me @ admin@onlycleanpics.com or you can icq me 192367315

|afro|

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-21, 01:53 AM

I'm sorry, mate, but they're not very convincing TGP galleries...

Some reasons:

· you're not using the width/height for your thumbnails, hence the pages take longer to render!
· the content is not very fresh
· pages actually look like they're created by some cheap(-ish) program with no creative input
· hardly any TGP will list galleries with pictures on HTML pages

...so please don't be too surprised if the responses aren't overwhelming...

john0pr0n0 · 2004-09-21, 07:57 AM

No need to be sorry.. i appreciate the input.

I just dont get what you mean by this part,

· you're not using the width/height for your thumbnails, hence the pages take longer to render!

If you could please explain

Oh and the reason the pages are plain as jane, being on 56k myself i realy dont appreciate when i have to load a meg of promotional graphics before i can see any pictures, so far people have been pretty happy about this, but i always appreciate any feedback anyone has to offer

Anyone else have any feedback ?

selena · 2004-09-21, 09:53 AM

Hey there

Here's a snippet of your code:

<td width="25%"><a href="images/021.jpg" target="_blank" name="021"><img src="thumbs/t_021.jpg" alt="021"></a></td>

1. The thumbs opening in html won't fly at most places, as has been discussed. Neither will "target=_blank".

2. It is much better, I am almost postive I have read, to use width="200", than width="25%". I am not awake and my brain cannot remember exactly why. I think it is due to how your table will look in different screen resolutions. Try searching this board for a post by GG having to do with Table Design Tips. That may have been where I read it, I don't know. One thing is for sure, if the browers is told precise width, it doesn't have to...calculate...the percentage, and thus loads faster.

3. This is an example of what George was speaking of. Here's a snippet of my code:

<td align="center"><a href="092004bdsm04.jpg"><img src="092004bdsm04t.jpg" alt="Whip" name="" width="120" height="180" border="0" align="middle"></a></td>

See how my thumb sizes are specified? That is what George was talking about. Again, the browser doesn't have to figure out what size they are. I've told it. And, btw, the size I've told it matches the size they really are. Some people try to use html to size their thumbs. It's a bad idea. You get a gold star, because I checked the size of your image properties, and you did not.

Okay, now look at my alt tags. Look at yours. Which one do you think a SE likes better? I will show you, to remove any doubt that spiders read alt tags.

This is one of my galleries on google:

Fetish Babe In Solo Edge Play
Long legged latex babe, Latex and sunglasses. Long legs in black boots, holding
chain. Raven haired fetish babe, Fetish babe shows huge tits. ...
www.thecorrectionalfacility.com/gal77/gal77.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

If you go to the URL of the gallery, you will see that google is pulling my alt tags to use in the description. So you really need to take advantage of that opportunity. I know it can be a pain in the ass to do on every gallery, because you must produce tons of galleries. But that little bit of effort might get you some valuable SE traffic.

Alright, next example.

Your meta tag keywords: <meta name="Keywords" content="Quality gallery's provided by www.innocentx.com - For all your porn needs

">

Meta tags from the above referenced gallery: <meta name="keywords" lang ="en-us" content="edge play, nudity, latex, knife, fetish wear, dungeon, boots, shaved pussy, tattoo, big tits">

Now, I am not even close to being the Queen of Meta Tags. But I think you can see how you can work with your own tags to make them more valuable and produce better for you.

Alright, let's talk actual gallery appearance now. I'm in agreement that there is nothing wrong with a super clean design. You don't have to have flashy graphics to sell porn.

Surprise, surprise, I do have some other comments though.

First of all, less *is* more. You have way too many pictures on this gallery. http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...03/gallery.htm I get listed very regulary and I never have used more than 16 pics. Your job is to tease and coax the credit card out of the wallet. Don't give them so much that they can have a payment-free whack off.

As to thumb placement: This is my personal preference and it has worked well for me...but I don't like to see a mix of thumbs like you have them. You can (and I do) mix horizontal and vertical thumbs. But make a pattern out of it. Like a row with vert, vert, vert, vert, horizontal. Next row horizontal, vert, vert, vert, vert. amd so on and so forth. Hope that makes sense. Don't just randomly put them up there. I don't know how comfortable you are with image editing, but just because your big pic is going to be a horitizontal pagination doesn't mean your thumb has to be. As more if I'm not making sense on that. (Or on anything else)

You get more gold stars because your images in this gallery flow. You don't have her clothed, then nude, then clothed again.

Lots of builders do that.

You'll find that your top banner really isn't going to do you very much good. Surfers are trained to overlook them. Banners do work when you have like...

seductive text
banner
more sexy talk

Sense?

You have text, and that is great. Text is our most closest bestest friend. (Hint: use spell check) However, you might want to try some different font colors and faces. You dont' have to go all wild and make it ugly, but you do need to draw the eye. Default font in black text isn't the best visually appealing thing you can do.

Consider the placement of your text as well. Odds are, a surfer isn't going to hang around and read your text *after* he's seen all your pics. He's outta there. But...

if you really sexy up the text and scatter it through your gallery, why, he just may read it. Use your text as part of the commercial, don't place it where it appears to be an afterthought.

I'm a personal fan of the bottom text link. You've told them what you want them to do (click here) and that is great. Change the font (using header tags if possible) color and size. This needs to be eye-grabbing!

Are you a US webmaster? If so, I don't see any 2257 info. I'm not one of those sky-is-falling 2257 people. I figure I will worry about it when they knock on my door. However, I do believe in due dilegence and protecting my on ass in a reasonable way. I started putting a 2257 link on each gallery I build. I also have a database with all my gallery info, but that is another post. ( and one I don't have time to make.

)

Overall, you have made a decent page. It needs tweaked, and the same could be said of every one I build.

You'll get better and better at it. While I would never advocate stealing code, you can't beat cruising listings to get your own ideas.

I know some of the things SE geared things I've said you should do seem nitpicky. With TGP competition so fierce, the tendency is to build/submit/build/submit/build/submit, and not think about the bigger pictures. Sure, today you are trying to get a gallery together. But you never know. Tomorrow you could be building a hub of galleries. Or you could be doing one of a zillion other things that would make you wish you had really taken the extra time to optimize your gallery. They don't have to be masterpieces. But they should utilize every tip possible to bring you traffic.

Take care!

john0pr0n0 · 2004-09-21, 06:06 PM

Well i appreciate all the feedback thier, you went to alot of trouble

You made alot of good points thier, will take them all under advisement.

Right now i am using an auto gallery maker then editing them in dreamweaver.. do people usualy build them by hand ? Could you suggest another program that might include some of the features you mentioned ?

Again i appreciate the feedback alot, thanks

john0pr0n0 · 2004-09-21, 06:10 PM

btw i especialy like this part

Your job is to tease and coax the credit card out of the wallet. Don't give them so much that they can have a payment-free whack off.

haha i never thought about it like THAT

Good call

selena · 2004-09-21, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Well i appreciate all the feedback thier, you went to alot of trouble

You made alot of good points thier, will take them all under advisement.

Right now i am using an auto gallery maker then editing them in dreamweaver.. do people usualy build them by hand ? Could you suggest another program that might include some of the features you mentioned ?

Again i appreciate the feedback alot, thanks

I can't advise you on that, because I build by hand. I've only been doing this about 6 months, and in the beginning, I was too much of an html purist to consider even using Dreamweaver. I thought anyone who didn't hand code wasn't doing things right.

It took me all of 2 galleries to drop *that* attitude.

So I use DW, but still find hand coding to be a fine skill to have.

Quote:

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
haha i never thought about it like THAT

Yeah, a mistake I have made, continue to make now and then, and likely will make in the future is considering the advertising to be secondary in TGP gallery building. I have done better since I started calling them "porn commercials". A little bit of mental shift that keeps me from thinking I am designing a damned work of art and reminding me I am just pushing porn.

Let me know if I can help in any way.

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-21, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by john0pr0n0
Right now i am using an auto gallery maker then editing them in dreamweaver.. do people usualy build them by hand ? Could you suggest another program that might include some of the features you mentioned?

That's what I'd been thinking when I wrote "pages actually look like they're created by some cheap(-ish) program with no creative input"... LOL

I spend sometimes a lot of time on gallery templates (up to 2 ½ hours incl. graphics), but sometimes I get a simple idea and have a new template ready in 15 minutes... And the simple ones often work better than the more elaborate templates, though the more graphical ones tend to get listed more.

It's with TGP galleries the same as GreenGuy is preaching about Free Sites: built one template/day until you have 30 to rotate! Now - that's way too extreme for TGPs!! I know people who have one or two templates which are really working for them and they stick with them for up to a year, but most submitters probably have something like 5-6 good templates and try the odd new one from time to time.

As to software: I really, really hate learning my way around new programs (which usually have an update before I got a hang of them, so I have to start anew), hence I'm still doing most stuff with really old software: HotDog 3.0 from 1995 (don't laugh or I'll shoot you! It's at least better than NotePad), PaintShop 7 (now: that's fairly recent, latest is version is 8), and and older version of ThumbsPlus, which makes really great html thumbnail tables with decent (and small file size) thumbs, and I use it for all my image/content management, too. To insert ThumbsPlus tables into my templates I have a custom written VB script, which requires only 2 steps (unless I want to add new recip links), so once the images are there it's only 5 steps:
1 create thumb table with ThumbsPlus
2 rename all thumbs (again with ThumbsPlus) to fit my VB scripts
3 run script 1 to correct ThumbsPlus table (rename thumbnail names, format table to my requirements, like add width to table cells)
4 run script 2 to replace image links/names/size across all galleries
5 uplaod all files
- - - and start submitting...

selena · 2004-09-21, 10:08 PM

~nods thoughtfully while reading what GeorgeTH has to say~

Thumbs are what kill me time wise. I make them by hand for each gallery with Photoshop. I'd much *rather* have a quicker way of doing it, but those Thumbs generator programs don't fit how I build. I might want to zoom in on a detail or something, and doing thumbs by hand is the only way I know how to do that.

Trust me, that is not the ideal way of doing things. You don't want to know how long it can take me to build a gallery. And I near-weep at the notion of a free site every day.

A couple of software things I use is GASS for gallery duplication. I use it in conjunction with RoboForm.

I'm going to drop links for both of them. I hope it is okay to do that. I'm not trying to be a re-seller on you, just telling you what works for me.

http://www.darksoftcomputers.com/gass/

http://www.roboform.com/

GeorgeTH, when you use this Thumbs program, does it give you an ability to crop and zoom, or does it just take the original and shrink it down to the size you specify?

This is a footnote to the converation, but as I have been submitting today, I came across the 2nd TGP on my submit list that now requires a 2257 link on the galleries.

Stouch · 2004-09-22, 06:34 AM

Valuable points listed above, and I will add 3 more which spring to mind.

Firstly, the design doesnt sell the site to me. I like simple, but a lot of people seem to think that simple alone sells, it doesnt. If you want to have a simple gallery then the trick is to make the text do the selling. If you can get your surfers eyes off the pics and onto the text then you will make the sales.

Secondly, you can get a gallery template designed for a small amount by people that I suspect are a lot more creative than you or I. I have had many made by many designers, and whilst results vary, it can be one of the best $25 you ever spend.

Thirdly grammar. tera patrick is wrong, Tera Patrick looks much slicker and professional. Also watch out for the odd typo creeping in as that can sometimes look sloppy.

But good luck.

Edit for typo LOL

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-22, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by selena
~nods thoughtfully while reading what GeorgeTH has to say~

Thumbs are what kill me time wise. I make them by hand for each gallery with Photoshop. I'd much *rather* have a quicker way of doing it, but those Thumbs generator programs don't fit how I build. I might want to zoom in on a detail or something, and doing thumbs by hand is the only way I know how to do that.

Trust me, that is not the ideal way of doing things. You don't want to know how long it can take me to build a gallery. And I near-weep at the notion of a free site every day.

A couple of software things I use is GASS for gallery duplication. I use it in conjunction with RoboForm.

I'm going to drop links for both of them. I hope it is okay to do that. I'm not trying to be a re-seller on you, just telling you what works for me.

http://www.darksoftcomputers.com/gass/

http://www.roboform.com/

GeorgeTH, when you use this Thumbs program, does it give you an ability to crop and zoom, or does it just take the original and shrink it down to the size you specify?

This is a footnote to the converation, but as I have been submitting today, I came across the 2nd TGP on my submit list that now requires a 2257 link on the galleries.

Hi, Selena!

You seem to be doing many things the similar hard way I'm still taking...

1. GASS - first time I downloaded it (about 3 years ago on Windows ME) - the install totally crashed my computer (actually had to re-install my OS!) When I posted this experiene on GFY I had a very rude reply by DarkSoft and ever since we're on bad terms.. Pitty - always thought it might be a good product to try.

2. ROBOFORM - great! Couldn't do without it!!!

3. Cropping thumbs... Yeah: I do that from time to time, specially with sponsor content (hate it if the watermarking is showing), but otherwise I use ThumbsPlus, which (your question) makes the thumbs same aspect as the pictures (no cropping or the likes), hence sometimes for effect I pick 2 or 3 pictures afterwards for which I manually make a cropped thumb the same size. All ThumbsPlus is offering are detailed settings (size w/h, compression, directory, etc.) and the image enhancement works really well, so I usually end up with all thumbs well below 4k at 160+ pixels...

4. 2257: I guess I might have over 20 sites in my submit list who are requiring this link already - even though I don't put it onto my galleries as a link (outgoing link count by scripts), but have the complete URL on my pages: Sofar I figure who ever really wants to see my 2257 statement might as well copy this URL into their browser.

5. ... tell me about a Free Site a day - I'm really struggling with them... A simple TGP gallery and an updated gallery on my main site fit easily into a day, but a free site still takes me that long that I have to drop the tgp gallery...

Nice 'talking' to you!

selena · 2004-09-24, 01:58 AM

Well, GeorgeTH, I don't feel so bad now. I read these people who say "Oh, I build a gallery, submit it to 150 sites and confirm submissions all in 45 minutes".

And my jaw is hanging open, because I likely take that long to optimize my images and make thumbs.

Nice talking to you too.

abe · 2004-09-24, 01:27 PM

I use Thumbs+ too, but only for keeping track of my content.
For making galeries I discovered Arles sometime ago. And I must say, it is a huge timesaver.
It's a rather complicated program and there is a learning curve. But it offers a lot of possibilities when you make tgp galleries. For freesites I don't use it.
Now I make a template with DW and put it in Arles. If necessary I can use thumbs of different sizes and Arles makes them for me. You can put the thumbs wherever you want (you only have to tell Arles which template it has to use and how many thumbs there are on a page). It also adds alt tags if you want.
There are parameters for almost everything.
The only update I make to a template at each run is the description tag (this one is not a parameter). But you can do this from within Arles.
Once the template and project file (it uses project files which is very powerful) is made, it takes about 1-2 minutes to make the html of your tgp gallery. And that html can be put in Gass, AS, or any program to duplicate and add recips.
I think it is worth to try the free trial.

john0pr0n0 · 2004-09-27, 12:06 AM

Some very good ideas and tips from everyone here

ill have to take everyone's ideas see what i can come back with! I would like to see some of your gallery's if your willing to post them up, would be intresting to see what everyone is diong.

Again thanks to everyone its much appreciated.

selena · 2004-09-27, 11:26 AM

Here you go, john0pr0n0. This is my latest. I'm new to promo'ing this chick, so we'll see how she does for me.

http://www.thecorrectionalfacility.com/111/gal111nr.htm

john0pr0n0 · 2004-10-02, 02:22 AM

Sorry i took so long to reply ive been super bizy.. as everyone always is here

They are good selena, the wording is done well and the way it is put together - as stouch put it:

If you can get your surfers eyes off the pics and onto the text then you will make the sales. - do you do sales work stouch ?

Yea that works real well having a super super ugly chic

haha nah but seriously its all broken up so the user has to look around more rather then just knowing where the pics are and focusing on that area.. making them think more and what not.

Keep in mind though!

The gallery's have a second purpose you see...

They are part of a traffic trading network i am building.. i email a list of gallery's out week to a bunch of tgp owners who post these up -

you see the recips up the top of the gallery's?
There is only ever one site listed, it simply says something like - want more clean gallery's go to this site - www.whateva the user clicks through to find more gallery's like that, which you have listed so the user is happy.

So you end up great content and clicked traffic to your site.. not forced, wasted your bandwidth traffic. - Forcing people to your site is shit i must say as a sidenote - users get sick of being redirected and dont want to use your site or sometimes any.. if they want to see your site they will click on it they dont need help people

Anyways -
When we have enough tgp's diong this the amounts of traffic we can send are huge. I never like to talk numbers - i dont want to get it wrong and get blamed

I can say though that i am diong this now and it works, i can direct traffic to lotsa sites, including some back into a txt tgp network, 20 right now - all the sites involved in this get listed on these sites, so they end up with more traffic there.

The point to all IS!

Right now when someone see's one of your gallery's they have one chance to buy something.

My aim here to get all those users on my network of sites viewing my advertising and helping me and all the people that i work with grow and expand.

So you can have once chance a making the sale -

Or you could have 10 20 50 times over the next year or something.

But hey this is just my plan

How many of you guys are pro submitters? Email me if your interested about possible business oportunities.

john0pr0n0@yahoo.com - yes its not a reg domain im sick of getting spam - email me if you want and ill send ya info on all my sites and assorted goodies

And the original post!

TGP OWNERS -

Take my gallery's each week
Get good content, clean trustworthy gallery's

and now get targeted traffic back too

john0pr0n0@yahoo.com

john0pr0n0 · 2004-10-02, 02:26 AM

hah

I posted one of my real emails der..

thats where the spam is coming from

Email me at john0pr0n0@yahoo.com anyways not admin@onlycleanpicsc.com please everyone

2004-09-20, 07:30 AM	#1
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	Who wants super clean gally's submitted daily? In case everyone didnt know.. i am hunting down more parnter and submitter accounts. Would prefer bigger tgp's but i dont mind diong some smaller ones too.. ill submit daily as many as ya need. Some samples: http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...01/gallery.htm http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...03/gallery.htm http://www.onlycleanpics.com/pics/mo...12/gallery.htm i host these all on a dedicated 100mbit box.. so they aint giong no where or gonna be redirect.. I have references too if needed.. post here or email me @ admin@onlycleanpics.com or you can icq me 192367315 \|afro\|

2004-09-21, 01:53 AM	#2
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	I'm sorry, mate, but they're not very convincing TGP galleries... Some reasons: · you're not using the width/height for your thumbnails, hence the pages take longer to render! · the content is not very fresh · pages actually look like they're created by some cheap(-ish) program with no creative input · hardly any TGP will list galleries with pictures on HTML pages ...so please don't be too surprised if the responses aren't overwhelming... __________________ Have a nice day!

2004-09-21, 09:53 AM	#4
selena Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the edge Posts: 592	Hey there Here's a snippet of your code: <td width="25%"><a href="images/021.jpg" target="_blank" name="021"><img src="thumbs/t_021.jpg" alt="021"></a></td> 1. The thumbs opening in html won't fly at most places, as has been discussed. Neither will "target=_blank". 2. It is much better, I am almost postive I have read, to use width="200", than width="25%". I am not awake and my brain cannot remember exactly why. I think it is due to how your table will look in different screen resolutions. Try searching this board for a post by GG having to do with Table Design Tips. That may have been where I read it, I don't know. One thing is for sure, if the browers is told precise width, it doesn't have to...calculate...the percentage, and thus loads faster. 3. This is an example of what George was speaking of. Here's a snippet of my code: <td align="center"><a href="092004bdsm04.jpg"><img src="092004bdsm04t.jpg" alt="Whip" name="" width="120" height="180" border="0" align="middle"></a></td> See how my thumb sizes are specified? That is what George was talking about. Again, the browser doesn't have to figure out what size they are. I've told it. And, btw, the size I've told it matches the size they really are. Some people try to use html to size their thumbs. It's a bad idea. You get a gold star, because I checked the size of your image properties, and you did not. Okay, now look at my alt tags. Look at yours. Which one do you think a SE likes better? I will show you, to remove any doubt that spiders read alt tags. This is one of my galleries on google: Fetish Babe In Solo Edge Play Long legged latex babe, Latex and sunglasses. Long legs in black boots, holding chain. Raven haired fetish babe, Fetish babe shows huge tits. ... www.thecorrectionalfacility.com/gal77/gal77.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages If you go to the URL of the gallery, you will see that google is pulling my alt tags to use in the description. So you really need to take advantage of that opportunity. I know it can be a pain in the ass to do on every gallery, because you must produce tons of galleries. But that little bit of effort might get you some valuable SE traffic. Alright, next example. Your meta tag keywords: <meta name="Keywords" content="Quality gallery's provided by www.innocentx.com - For all your porn needs "> Meta tags from the above referenced gallery: <meta name="keywords" lang ="en-us" content="edge play, nudity, latex, knife, fetish wear, dungeon, boots, shaved pussy, tattoo, big tits"> Now, I am not even close to being the Queen of Meta Tags. But I think you can see how you can work with your own tags to make them more valuable and produce better for you. Alright, let's talk actual gallery appearance now. I'm in agreement that there is nothing wrong with a super clean design. You don't have to have flashy graphics to sell porn. Surprise, surprise, I do have some other comments though. First of all, less is more. You have way too many pictures on this gallery. http://www.innocentx.com/files/pics/...03/gallery.htm I get listed very regulary and I never have used more than 16 pics. Your job is to tease and coax the credit card out of the wallet. Don't give them so much that they can have a payment-free whack off. As to thumb placement: This is my personal preference and it has worked well for me...but I don't like to see a mix of thumbs like you have them. You can (and I do) mix horizontal and vertical thumbs. But make a pattern out of it. Like a row with vert, vert, vert, vert, horizontal. Next row horizontal, vert, vert, vert, vert. amd so on and so forth. Hope that makes sense. Don't just randomly put them up there. I don't know how comfortable you are with image editing, but just because your big pic is going to be a horitizontal pagination doesn't mean your thumb has to be. As more if I'm not making sense on that. (Or on anything else) You get more gold stars because your images in this gallery flow. You don't have her clothed, then nude, then clothed again. Lots of builders do that. You'll find that your top banner really isn't going to do you very much good. Surfers are trained to overlook them. Banners do work when you have like... seductive text banner more sexy talk Sense? You have text, and that is great. Text is our most closest bestest friend. (Hint: use spell check) However, you might want to try some different font colors and faces. You dont' have to go all wild and make it ugly, but you do need to draw the eye. Default font in black text isn't the best visually appealing thing you can do. Consider the placement of your text as well. Odds are, a surfer isn't going to hang around and read your text after he's seen all your pics. He's outta there. But... if you really sexy up the text and scatter it through your gallery, why, he just may read it. Use your text as part of the commercial, don't place it where it appears to be an afterthought. I'm a personal fan of the bottom text link. You've told them what you want them to do (click here) and that is great. Change the font (using header tags if possible) color and size. This needs to be eye-grabbing! Are you a US webmaster? If so, I don't see any 2257 info. I'm not one of those sky-is-falling 2257 people. I figure I will worry about it when they knock on my door. However, I do believe in due dilegence and protecting my on ass in a reasonable way. I started putting a 2257 link on each gallery I build. I also have a database with all my gallery info, but that is another post. ( and one I don't have time to make. ) Overall, you have made a decent page. It needs tweaked, and the same could be said of every one I build. You'll get better and better at it. While I would never advocate stealing code, you can't beat cruising listings to get your own ideas. I know some of the things SE geared things I've said you should do seem nitpicky. With TGP competition so fierce, the tendency is to build/submit/build/submit/build/submit, and not think about the bigger pictures. Sure, today you are trying to get a gallery together. But you never know. Tomorrow you could be building a hub of galleries. Or you could be doing one of a zillion other things that would make you wish you had really taken the extra time to optimize your gallery. They don't have to be masterpieces. But they should utilize every tip possible to bring you traffic. Take care! __________________ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Skype selena.delgado9 ICQ 273551440

2004-09-21, 10:08 PM	#9
selena Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the edge Posts: 592	~nods thoughtfully while reading what GeorgeTH has to say~ Thumbs are what kill me time wise. I make them by hand for each gallery with Photoshop. I'd much rather have a quicker way of doing it, but those Thumbs generator programs don't fit how I build. I might want to zoom in on a detail or something, and doing thumbs by hand is the only way I know how to do that. Trust me, that is not the ideal way of doing things. You don't want to know how long it can take me to build a gallery. And I near-weep at the notion of a free site every day. A couple of software things I use is GASS for gallery duplication. I use it in conjunction with RoboForm. I'm going to drop links for both of them. I hope it is okay to do that. I'm not trying to be a re-seller on you, just telling you what works for me. http://www.darksoftcomputers.com/gass/ http://www.roboform.com/ GeorgeTH, when you use this Thumbs program, does it give you an ability to crop and zoom, or does it just take the original and shrink it down to the size you specify? This is a footnote to the converation, but as I have been submitting today, I came across the 2nd TGP on my submit list that now requires a 2257 link on the galleries. __________________ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Skype selena.delgado9 ICQ 273551440

2004-09-22, 06:34 AM	#10
Stouch Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 130	Valuable points listed above, and I will add 3 more which spring to mind. Firstly, the design doesnt sell the site to me. I like simple, but a lot of people seem to think that simple alone sells, it doesnt. If you want to have a simple gallery then the trick is to make the text do the selling. If you can get your surfers eyes off the pics and onto the text then you will make the sales. Secondly, you can get a gallery template designed for a small amount by people that I suspect are a lot more creative than you or I. I have had many made by many designers, and whilst results vary, it can be one of the best $25 you ever spend. Thirdly grammar. tera patrick is wrong, Tera Patrick looks much slicker and professional. Also watch out for the odd typo creeping in as that can sometimes look sloppy. But good luck. Edit for typo LOL __________________ Nowt here

2004-09-21, 07:57 AM	#3
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	No need to be sorry.. i appreciate the input. I just dont get what you mean by this part, · you're not using the width/height for your thumbnails, hence the pages take longer to render! If you could please explain Oh and the reason the pages are plain as jane, being on 56k myself i realy dont appreciate when i have to load a meg of promotional graphics before i can see any pictures, so far people have been pretty happy about this, but i always appreciate any feedback anyone has to offer Anyone else have any feedback ?

2004-09-21, 06:06 PM	#5
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	Well i appreciate all the feedback thier, you went to alot of trouble You made alot of good points thier, will take them all under advisement. Right now i am using an auto gallery maker then editing them in dreamweaver.. do people usualy build them by hand ? Could you suggest another program that might include some of the features you mentioned ? Again i appreciate the feedback alot, thanks

2004-09-21, 06:10 PM	#6
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	btw i especialy like this part Your job is to tease and coax the credit card out of the wallet. Don't give them so much that they can have a payment-free whack off. haha i never thought about it like THAT Good call

2004-09-24, 01:58 AM	#12
selena Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the edge Posts: 592	Well, GeorgeTH, I don't feel so bad now. I read these people who say "Oh, I build a gallery, submit it to 150 sites and confirm submissions all in 45 minutes". And my jaw is hanging open, because I likely take that long to optimize my images and make thumbs. Nice talking to you too. __________________ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Skype selena.delgado9 ICQ 273551440

2004-09-24, 01:27 PM	#13
abe Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 99	I use Thumbs+ too, but only for keeping track of my content. For making galeries I discovered Arles sometime ago. And I must say, it is a huge timesaver. It's a rather complicated program and there is a learning curve. But it offers a lot of possibilities when you make tgp galleries. For freesites I don't use it. Now I make a template with DW and put it in Arles. If necessary I can use thumbs of different sizes and Arles makes them for me. You can put the thumbs wherever you want (you only have to tell Arles which template it has to use and how many thumbs there are on a page). It also adds alt tags if you want. There are parameters for almost everything. The only update I make to a template at each run is the description tag (this one is not a parameter). But you can do this from within Arles. Once the template and project file (it uses project files which is very powerful) is made, it takes about 1-2 minutes to make the html of your tgp gallery. And that html can be put in Gass, AS, or any program to duplicate and add recips. I think it is worth to try the free trial.

2004-09-27, 12:06 AM	#14
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	Some very good ideas and tips from everyone here ill have to take everyone's ideas see what i can come back with! I would like to see some of your gallery's if your willing to post them up, would be intresting to see what everyone is diong. Again thanks to everyone its much appreciated.

2004-09-27, 11:26 AM	#15
selena Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the edge Posts: 592	Here you go, john0pr0n0. This is my latest. I'm new to promo'ing this chick, so we'll see how she does for me. http://www.thecorrectionalfacility.com/111/gal111nr.htm __________________ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Skype selena.delgado9 ICQ 273551440

2004-10-02, 02:22 AM	#16
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	Sorry i took so long to reply ive been super bizy.. as everyone always is here They are good selena, the wording is done well and the way it is put together - as stouch put it: If you can get your surfers eyes off the pics and onto the text then you will make the sales. - do you do sales work stouch ? Yea that works real well having a super super ugly chic haha nah but seriously its all broken up so the user has to look around more rather then just knowing where the pics are and focusing on that area.. making them think more and what not. Keep in mind though! The gallery's have a second purpose you see... They are part of a traffic trading network i am building.. i email a list of gallery's out week to a bunch of tgp owners who post these up - you see the recips up the top of the gallery's? There is only ever one site listed, it simply says something like - want more clean gallery's go to this site - www.whateva the user clicks through to find more gallery's like that, which you have listed so the user is happy. So you end up great content and clicked traffic to your site.. not forced, wasted your bandwidth traffic. - Forcing people to your site is shit i must say as a sidenote - users get sick of being redirected and dont want to use your site or sometimes any.. if they want to see your site they will click on it they dont need help people Anyways - When we have enough tgp's diong this the amounts of traffic we can send are huge. I never like to talk numbers - i dont want to get it wrong and get blamed I can say though that i am diong this now and it works, i can direct traffic to lotsa sites, including some back into a txt tgp network, 20 right now - all the sites involved in this get listed on these sites, so they end up with more traffic there. The point to all IS! Right now when someone see's one of your gallery's they have one chance to buy something. My aim here to get all those users on my network of sites viewing my advertising and helping me and all the people that i work with grow and expand. So you can have once chance a making the sale - Or you could have 10 20 50 times over the next year or something. But hey this is just my plan How many of you guys are pro submitters? Email me if your interested about possible business oportunities. john0pr0n0@yahoo.com - yes its not a reg domain im sick of getting spam - email me if you want and ill send ya info on all my sites and assorted goodies And the original post! TGP OWNERS - Take my gallery's each week Get good content, clean trustworthy gallery's and now get targeted traffic back too john0pr0n0@yahoo.com

2004-10-02, 02:26 AM	#17
john0pr0n0 Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 125	hah I posted one of my real emails der.. thats where the spam is coming from Email me at john0pr0n0@yahoo.com anyways not admin@onlycleanpicsc.com please everyone

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