Kind of important

[ecchi]

I was just updating my link list templates and came across a site that appeared to link to child pornography. Fortunately rather than just dump it I decided to look into it and report it. The link went to adultfriendfinder.com, and was one of those that used your IP to note the area they think you live in and throw up a "Find a Real SEX Partner in {your area} now" link with photos. One of these photos was a girl who looked about 12 with the caption "innocent lelia - pretty girl". Now I doubt if the webmaster is aware of this, but it is certainly not something I want to link to both because I consider this "wrong" and because nearly every link list has a "no cp or links to cp sites" rule and I would guess that if they followed this guy's recip they would not list my site (and possibly blacklist me).

You can see a screenshot of the site at http://www.traffic-club.info/stuff/screenshot.jpg but remember the site owner is probably unaware of the picture AFF are using so is not at fault (I think they just use random pics).

I am posting this so that people who use Adult Friend Finder as a sponsor or link/trade to sites that do, are aware of what they are going to be showing on their site and how it makes their site look.

P.S. I am not suggesting that AFF actually have members who are under 18, I doubt if they do. What I personally object to is the use of the promise of paedophilia to sell something. Why I am warning other members is that if this pic, or a similar one, comes up on your link to AFF (and it will from time to time) it is going to look like you are promoting child pornography, or worse, sex contacts with kids.

[Greenguy]

While I doubt very heavily that this is CP, it is yet another reason to host your own banners/ads (IMHO anyone that lets a 3rd party put something onto their pages is just asking for trouble)

[Mr. Stiff]

Look at those nipples on the second pic

[SirMoby]

It would be interesting to hear from AFF on this one. She looks young enough to disturb me.

GG is right. Everyone needs to take responsibility for thier own content and that means banners as well.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

It would be interesting to hear from AFF on this one. She looks young enough to disturb me.

Agree, and it's doubly disturbing that AFF would choose to use that in a promo. It's enough of an issue that iFriends has a policy on not accepting camhosts that "appear to be under 18" even if they've provided complete proof they are of age.

[Sagi_AFF]

The models used in those particular GEO ads are StreamRay Cam girls who must submit two forms of ID in order to work with StreamRay.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

The models used in those particular GEO ads are StreamRay Cam girls who must submit two forms of ID in order to work with StreamRay.

I'm sure that she's over age but I don't like her looking so young. I know that's just my personal preference.

Are you saying that AFF does NOT have a copy of her IDs on file and that you're relying on a third party to verify the age of models in your promotional material?

[Sagi_AFF]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I'm sure that she's over age but I don't like her looking so young. I know that's just my personal preference.

Are you saying that AFF does NOT have a copy of her IDs on file and that you're relying on a third party to verify the age of models in your promotional material?

The images are hosted by StreamRay. You should also know that last year StreamRay and FriendFinder Inc merged and are now owned by the same parent company Various Inc. So essentially AFF does have a copy of all the IDs. I have sent an e-mail to 2257@streamray.com just to verify the age of this model.

[Toby]

I don't doubt that she's of age, but she certainly appears younger and based on the username seems to be using that attract viewers. Given the current scrutiny the industry is under I'd certainly be uncomfortable with that ad appearing on my sites, regardless of her true age.

[SirMoby]

Djilla, why so much anger and hostility?

I can’t find anyone here trying to censor the image but some of us are uncomfortable with the image. I can’t speak for everyone but my reason isn’t to run from trouble but it’s because it goes against my values.

I choose to not promote anything that looks too young or anything that seems abusive to women in any way. That includes many companies that I know are very reputable. While I choose to not support them I also believe that they have the right to exist and I don‘t see any statements here asking the world for censorship.

While legal is legal are you saying that legal is right? Aren’t we fighting for freedom so that everyone can choose what’s right for him or her?

Isn’t it being a little hypocritical to speak of freedoms and then tell people that they should believe the same as you?

If a woman is of legal age then I will fight for her right to create a website. If she attempts to play any role that goes against my own personal values then I will not promote her but I will still fight for her freedom to create that website.

Everyone has the right to say, “I will not use your product because it goes against my own values”. The problem comes when people tell others what their values should be and I only see one person in this thread doing that.

[DJilla]

Ya.. you know I'm sure I sounded hostile and I was passionate when I wrote it. I didn't even look at at the image and people are sensible here so I'm sure she probably looked really young.. I was working from from this point of view: that if we who are on the front line of the expression and censorship fight are folding left and right because of an intimidation factor that is present in the environment then I think that this is wrong and weak minded. If someone's personal tastes are involved that's cool that's no different than say "I only show brunette lesbians" this is the equivalent of "I don't want to show too young looking teens because of a personal marketing/moral/whatever position"...perfectly fine by me too.

BUT, I'm feeling like that's not the case in a lot of circumstances. Before the current political environment, tons of WM's were falling all over themselves to sell Little Summer or April or whatever her name is now and similar such sites. I think some people are being intimidated by the environment just to avoid trouble (which is in itself a legitimate business choice of course) which lets down everyone in the biz and draws back the line of which this industry will survive at all. Legal is legal. Again, should a young lady be censored by her peers because of her looks? When all are under attack shouldn't some MAYBE rally around the idea that she/they have the same rights and entitled to the same support that many of us cry about not getting from society at large? I recognize that this is a complicated, emotionally charged issue. I seem to draw some line with those that want to rake in some bucks on the easy stuff in a business that by its nature is confrontational. If its a sincere, personal choice I'm not critcizing that AT ALL. I'm having trouble with people that want to benefit and extract without risk of getting brusied and letting others take the hit. That's all.
The extreme example for illustration is the fight going on in the Muslim world over style of dress for example. Ya, a bullet or a beating is pretty intimidating for a women to think about when considering wearing a veil. Many women LIKE and PREFER the idea of modesty. This is wonderful. Many women believe they should have a choice and defy intimidation which is necessary to have that choice... that's courageous! Many women go along because they don't want trouble. In the porn biz its the same sort of think except I see an awful lot of WM's that are just going along on one hand and crying about their rights on the other? IMHO anybody making a heartfelt, personal choice on the issue of teen or too young looking porn is standing on solid ground. Anyone just folding because they're scared should go!

[RawAlex]

Let's add this to the discussion, shall we?

http://guest.epiccams.com/html/97972...20041021_17678

The model claims to be 21 years old.

Also this:

http://www.realcamgirl.com/p/cams/vi...=InnocentLeila

In some of these images, it is clear that she is well over 18... in others, it is much harder to tell (and I suspect she uses that as a marketing advantage)

Alex

[Papa]

Anything hosted remotely is like a time bomb.
Scripts, banners name it !

Hell even counters can screw you !