O'Reilly Hit With Sex Harass Suit :)

[Jim]

You guys have got to read this
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...3mackris1.html

[Torn Rose]

D'OH!

[Bill]

That's pretty damn funny. O'Reilly jerking off while talking to this low level fox exec woman on the phone, among many other sexual offenses upon an unwilling and unhappy female.

The neocons and the christian fanatics will fall over themselves to "forgive him", and with the next breath shreik at Clinton's "impeachable offense" for getting a blowjob from a willing intern.

They have no pride, and no shame.

[AcidMaX]

This is where I differ greatly from extreme right wingers. If Bill O'Reilly did this he should pay the panalty for his actions. I am so tired of seeing celebrities get away with shit just because they are famous or popular.

I also think there is a big difference between Bill O'Reilly and our president.

Lastly Bill Clintons "impeachable offense" was not that he got a blowjob, it was because he lied (purgery). That is why he was impeached, not because of the oral sex, that just brought the whole thing on.

[MrMaryLou]

Originally posted by Jim
You guys have got to read this
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...3mackris1.html

Couldnt of happen to a nicer guy

[Useless]

I guess he forgot to tell her to 'shut up!'

[docholly]

I guess we'll see how much spin he gives on this "no-spin zone".. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to put this on Kerry et.al.

time to opin.. not bloviate, Bill O.

[Bill]

Yeah, you're cool man, smarter than a lot of the right wing crowd. At least you're not a vicious religious fanatic praying for the rapture.

We can leave untill later the question of wether lying to congress about a blowjob is worse than lying to congress about weapons of mass destruction. Blowjob perjury- no deaths. WMD perjury- 1500 alliance deaths, 14,000 alliance injuries, 30,000 innocent Iraqi deaths, 100,000 innocent Iragi injuries.

Oh yeah, that blowjob perjury was bad shit. (Neocon thought ballon- SEX BAD! WAR GOOD! KILL RAGHEAD BABIES!)

Sorry man, I'm pulling your leg. If the neocon conspiracy had bought a president worth respecting into office we wouldn't have to dispute.

You gotta admit, this O'Reilly thing is like right out of a cartoon. Wasn't he the one who said if there were no WMD he'd never trust Bush again? Yet he's still kissing bush ass as we speak. In between harrassing girls.

Like I said, no pride.

[GunnCat]

Originally posted by AcidMaX
This is where I differ greatly from extreme right wingers. If Bill O'Reilly did this he should pay the panalty for his actions. I am so tired of seeing celebrities get away with shit just because they are famous or popular.

I also think there is a big difference between Bill O'Reilly and our president.

Lastly Bill Clintons "impeachable offense" was not that he got a blowjob, it was because he lied (purgery). That is why he was impeached, not because of the oral sex, that just brought the whole thing on.

Amazing Clinton lies about a blowjob and the entire republician party want to impeach him!
Bush lies about WMD, links between Iraq and Al Queda, the time he spent in the national gaurd ( please let's be serious, this guy probably spent countless nights passed out drunk in New Orleans) and god knows what else! Just to think that this illegetimatly elected cocksucker sent the nations poor to die for lies should be grounds for getting hung in the streets, but 1/2 the country is thinking about re-electing him?
Politics in this country is disguesting to say the least.

[AcidMaX]

<rant>
First off you guys are too stuck on the blowjob thing (must be beacuse we are in porn). Clinton lied, Bush didn't (its all semantics). Bush stated facts about information that was given to him, it is guilt by association. Not sure why this thread got all out of wack and back on a Bush bashing thread, but oh well.

Clinton was not all about the blowjob, it was about the White Water scandel, Lying about a ton of different shit, the death of Vince Foster and a whole lot more.

There is more to Clinton and politicians in general than what we all know about. Look back to JFK when he enlisted the mafia to kill Castro. All these guys are bad fuckers and can do what they want, its just what we know about that gets public attention and is what most people base their opinions on, I think we would all be shocked if we knew what "REALLY" happens in the whitehouse.

The weird thing is that I have heard shit that we found WMD's then the next day I hear we didn't. Who the fuck knows what to believe.

Get off the blowjob point, the blowjob had nothing to do with Clinton and his impeachment. It was flat out lying. As I said Bush stated what he knew based on intelligence given to him. The sad part is that none of this shit would have ever happened if Clinton would have gone in and got Bin Laden when Syria basically handed him to us years ago.
</rant>

But back to Bill O'Reilly...as I said, if he did it, he should pay, flat out. I don't care if you are Democrat or Republican, if you break the law you should pay for it. No one person is better than the next. If I broke the law, there is no one else to blame but myself.


Lastly I am not a true conservative, I have said that many times. I have many conservative values but I only state I am republican because that is the closest of the two most common parties. I am actually a libertarian which believes in less big government.

Have a great day!

[Linkster]

Im surprised no one has brought up Margie Schoedinger yet - if you dont know who this is just google her name - damn shame

[Bill]

Andy, you are right, it's really not fair to compare the two. I was just playing framing games.

But. let me ask you another question. You are ex-mil, right? What do you think of the way the current admin is treating the military? And how are they using the military to acheive their political objectives?

It worries me to see that we are forting up over there. It worries me to see our militasry used as an occupation force.

Any military _wants_ to fight, if they didn't, they would be useless for their intended function. So naturally our guys must feel pride to be given the chance to fight.

But, do you feel this is a righteous war now?

( The original campaign went well enough, altho, like the Col [I think he was a Col.] in yesterdays NYT articlesaid, killing Iraqi soldiers is a lot like clubbing baby seals).

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by Bill
Andy, you are right, it's really not fair to compare the two. I was just playing framing games.

But. let me ask you another question. You are ex-mil, right? What do you think of the way the current admin is treating the military? And how are they using the military to acheive their political objectives?

It worries me to see that we are forting up over there. It worries me to see our militasry used as an occupation force.

Any military _wants_ to fight, if they didn't, they would be useless for their intended function. So naturally our guys must feel pride to be given the chance to fight.

But, do you feel this is a righteous war now?

( The original campaign went well enough, altho, like the Col [I think he was a Col.] in yesterdays NYT articlesaid, killing Iraqi soldiers is a lot like clubbing baby seals).

Bill, yes I am ex-military. Since I am not in I cannot speak from that perspective, but let me say this. Each man and woman that joins up knows they may have to go to war and fight for our country. Personally I think the things we did to liberate Iraq were needed. The country had been funding terrorism and harboring terrorists for quite some time. Saddam should have been ousted when he killed all the (serbs I believe it was) back in teh 90's , we should have never left. Some will say, GW is doing what his daddy didn't , that may be right, but good for him. I never want to see people die, but I think if we don't go after terrorism with a vengeance we will ultimately see more terrorist attacks against americans on american soil.

If there was a way we could work it out without going to war I would be all for it, but I just know these people (the muslims) don't understand this. They want us to live in 7 A.D. again. The fact that we are "policing" other countries isn't new. You would be amazed if you really think about where we still have troops around the world. We are there for many reasons, and I don't honestly think we will ever 100% leave Iraq. We have troops still serving in Panama, Grenada, Korea, Turkey, Somalia, and many other places that this president did not send these troops too. Overall our troops are spread to thin, but with the cuts Clinton and his buddies John Kerry, Tom Daschle and the like did during the time I served it has made it even worse.

The term "righteous" is pretty strong, do I think it is "just", yes I do.

Andy

[Bill]

You are not really answering my question. You are giving me a political answer, when what I want is a military answer.

To respond to your statements, my question is, SHOULD American military be the world police?

I would say that when a military like ours forts up, the war is already over, and we have effectively lost.

And I also think that to turn a field army into an occupying police force is a gross abuse of the men and women in uniform.

You must know something about Algeria and the FLN. Algeria and Iraq are extremely similar. Are we prepared to do what the French did? And what happens when we eventually pull out? You know what happened to the friends of the French occupiers when that happened.

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by Bill
You are not really answering my question. You are giving me a political answer, when what I want is a military answer.

To respond to your statements, my question is, SHOULD American military be the world police?

I would say that when a military like ours forts up, the war is already over, and we have effectively lost.

And I also think that to turn a field army into an occupying police force is a gross abuse of the men and women in uniform.

You must know something about Algeria and the FLN. Algeria and Iraq are extremely similar. Are we prepared to do what the French did? And what happens when we eventually pull out? You know what happened to the friends of the French occupiers when that happened.

I did answer your question, I said the war is just. The sad thing, is that if we dont step up to liberate and help other countries out, who will? Who helps those who cannot help themselves? Who is going to help the iraqi's who didn't want Saddam Hussein yet had to elect him because he was the only name on the ballot? At some point someone does have to step up to allow people to have their choices. Now don't get me wrong, if we turn the country over completely to the Iraqi's and the same shit happens, then its their own damn fault. Sort of like the old saying "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, fuck you!" hehe

Someone has to attempt to help these people from dictators they have to live under and give them a choice.

The thing is, you are looking at the military through rose colored glasses. If we could solve every issue with talks and never go to war that would be great, but its not reasonable. Look at it this way, you live in a country that is allowing you to have your opinion, vote how you want to make your life better. The Iraqi's couldn't do that, they had NO choice. The only choice was the choice of Saddam. There would be no discussion of pornography like we have here, 2257 laws..hahaha, how about death.

We as free americans tend to look at things the easy way, lets put our kids in the corner for a time out instead of blistering their ass when they get out of line. Time out just doesnt work. It wont work with people like Osama (or Usama if you prefer), Sadam and the others.

Short and sweet...Militarily I believe we are doing the right thing, it was long overdue for us to liberate Iraq. If we leave to early we are not giving them the chance they need to take over, that was the problem during the first gulf war. I agree with the war, and I stand behind my president 100%. If it was John Kerry who sent us to war, I would be behind him 100% as well.


Andy

[Linkster]

Im sure you will ignore my opinion on the war - since I only did 12 years in the military and lived through the vietnam war

not only is there no reason for us to be the "police" of the other countries, it has nothing what so ever to do with why the first Iraq was was fought and why we are there now - if you have no idea of the real reason I suggest you look into the corporation (no not Haliburton or Brown and Root or the other illegal contracts) involvement prior to the first war - and the Iran-Iraq war would be a good place to start - maybe if you study that one for a bit and figure out why we were supporting Osama Bin Laden in setting up his terroist camps, why we were supporting Saddam in fighting Iran as well as outfitting his military and giving him the recipes for the same WMD chemical weapons and bilogical weapons that we are so up in arms about right now, you might have a much bigger picture of what really happened. We are not in Iraq to liberate any of its people, we are there for one reason and one reason alone - an oil pipeline that we could control. Read your history of the 60s and 70s of the Arab world - you'll find the info pretty easily on the web (non-partisan info would be the best as its pretty accurate)

Next you might want to explain to all the people that speak up about the use and abuse of the military - why an Army reserve supply(quartermasters) company from the states of Mississippi, Alabama and a few other southern states is in the brig as of today for failure to follow orders when told to drive unprotected fuel trucks with no armed escort, no armored vehicles and no way to protect themselves into a city north of Baghdad today (still held by extremists) to deliver tank fuel to the "police" force that we have set up there. All seventeen soldiers have been forbidden to talk to the media (one has come out anyway prior to his arrest) and have been cut off from family contact as well (which is normally allowed of soldiers awaiting NJ punishment). This is not what the US prides itself on normally with their military - seems there's a little more at stake here - it is politics - and somebody doesnt want the truth to come out?

My own opinion - its a real shame that todays youth doesnt have the balls to take on politics and activism. I guess its more important to decide what ringtones to download for their phones.
But then when 100 families turned out last night in Oregon to support Kerry when Bush came to town to spend the night in Jacksonville, Or - they voice their opinion - mothers with babys (children mind you) were yelling in support of Kerry across the street from the Bush supporters - that is until the State troopers stepped in and started firing pepper gas and rubber bullets at the families - of course you wont see it on the news cause Bush's friends in the media have hushed it up - they only want you to see the supporters position

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Linkster
My own opinion - its a real shame that todays youth doesnt have the balls to take on politics and activism. I guess its more important to decide what ringtones to download for their phones.

No draft...no threat to their daily lives.

[AcidMaX]

Linkster I do know that our CIA funded Usama Bin Laden originally to get started. I agree that was fucked up, but its not the first time we have supplied monies and equipment to an enemy of ours, nor will it be the last.

I don't believe the whole war is about oil, it could be about big business, sure, but you could argue that every war since the Civil war could be as well. Manufacturers making money from the war efforts, it has been going on for years, even the vietnam war, there is a reason Hughes, GE and such are so big today. The supplied the U.S. with the equipment needed to help fight the war.

I am thankful for the men like you who served before me especially during wartime. I served during the first gulf war and was ready, willing and able to go to Iraq, but was never sent. I did the best I could as a medic to make sure I knew everything I could in case that time ever came, where I had to save a soldiers life.

Its obvious we have different ideas on the war and what we feel is just. If you have news articles about the men in the brig and the families being attacked by pepper spray and rubber bullets I would love to read them. I go by what I read and I don't spout off about shit I know nothing about. I have stated my opinions as everyone else on this board has, and because I differ from yours, Bills, GunnCats, Jims, GreenGuys and about every other person just about on this board doesn't mean that my opion is any less valid than any of yours. Lastly I would not ignore anyones opinion on anything, if I ignored opinions I wouldn't respond to them, thats for sure. I would post and walk away. I enjoy the discussion, its interesting to learn how other people think about the war and such. Its these freedoms to share this information that makes our country great.

[docholly]

Yes, Andy..the best thing, in my opinion, about living here is our Freedom of speech. Unfortunately those of us sitting on the left bank of the river and those sitting on the right side.. is that we have our eyes on the sludge coming down the river, Not the bridge across it.

As far is Bill O goes, i can only hope the judge is as fair and balanced as he is.. couldn't happen to a nicer guy..

[GunnCat]

Acid, I don't want you to think I am picking on you but you just made a point that supports what I said before about this war being a lie.

I don't believe the whole war is about oil, it could be about big business

I agree with you.
Here's something to think about: If Saddam really had had WMD or chemical weapons at the time we were poised to attack Iraq, do you really think that we would have gone to war? If he did have these weapons he could have taken out thousands of troops which would have been his head on a stake by means of the public. This is why it's nothing but lies. This administration lied to us even though (I believe) they knew there was no WMD. The UN weapons inspectors said so.
To support this argument, look at North Korea. Kim Chung-il starves his citizens, threatens to build WMD(and has) yet the administration won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. They say let China deal with them.
There has been genocide in Sudan recently against muslims and we haven't done a thing about it. We could go on and on about the inadequacies of this current administration. I say vote this idiot who can't even put 2 sentences together without looking like a dolt out of office.
I do have a lot of friends serving overseas in Iraq now. They love to be there serving. Couldn't ask for a more dedicated bunch of people to be fighting this war. My friend who is over 40 just got called back to serve as a sniper over there.
Man who hijacked this post?

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by GunnCat
Acid, I don't want you to think I am picking on you but you just made a point that supports what I said before about this war being a lie.

I agree with you.
Here's something to think about: If Saddam really had had WMD or chemical weapons at the time we were poised to attack Iraq, do you really think that we would have gone to war? If he did have these weapons he could have taken out thousands of troops which would have been his head on a stake by means of the public. This is why it's nothing but lies. This administration lied to us even though (I believe) they knew there was no WMD. The UN weapons inspectors said so.
To support this argument, look at North Korea. Kim Chung-il starves his citizens, threatens to build WMD(and has) yet the administration won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. They say let China deal with them.
There has been genocide in Sudan recently against muslims and we haven't done a thing about it. We could go on and on about the inadequacies of this current administration. I say vote this idiot who can't even put 2 sentences together without looking like a dolt out of office.
I do have a lot of friends serving overseas in Iraq now. They love to be there serving. Couldn't ask for a more dedicated bunch of people to be fighting this war. My friend who is over 40 just got called back to serve as a sniper over there.
Man who hijacked this post?

Dammit I had a post written out, clicked submit and my internet went down. I am not rewriting it all.

1. You are picking on me, because we disagree, but I don't have a problem with that, all the democrats on the board are going to pick on me Doesn't matter to me, I have my beliefs you have yours.

2. Saddam DID have WMD's, he has used them and killed thousands with Sarin gas in the past. He can hide airplanes under the sand, what would make me think he couldn't hide WMD's.

Fact of the matter is that none of us will ever know, and Bill O'Reilly should be in jail if he is found guilty in a court of law.


Edit:
I gotta run for the weekend. Hopefully we can all still do business together regardless of political beliefs. In a few more weeks we will know where the direction of the country will be headed. Hopefully everyone will get out and vote!

See you all on Monday


Andy

[Useless]

As another Gulf War era veteran, I'd like to start by saying Bill O'Reilly is a fucking fucktard. That being said, here are my thoughts on Iraq; Bush did not invade Iraq on 'bad' intelligence. He invaded Iraq on fictional intelligence reports which he, Cheney, and Powell coerced out of the CIA and NSA. Before the invasion, the world's most respected weapons experts were in Iraq, doing a great job. Before the war, a small group of terrorists were angry enough with the U.S. to attack. Now, many more people are far more angry with us, and for some damned good reasons. As much as I hate to see our troops harmed, I cannot blame the Iraqis for fighting for their sovereignity. What would we do if we were invaded, our military forces destroyed, and unendingly occupied? We'd organize local militias and go after our invaders with shotguns and pipe bombs. Wouldn't we?

Frankly, if a candidate came along and his/her only platform was the immediate removal of American troops from Iraq, my vote would swing to that person. We should allow Iraq to rebuild itself. They aren't about to let us do it, that's for damned sure.

[Greenguy]

Bill O'Reilly, producer of his talk show agree to settle harassment, extortion suits

O'Reilly once said that Michael Jackson must have been guilty of those child molestation suits because he settled out of court - hmmmmmm.