LL owners - a hyphen ratio guideline??

dareutwo · 2005-01-28, 07:31 PM

With the few hours I do have to work on this, I have been seriously running through stuff.
Many thanks to Ramster

He simply Rocks!!

As many or you already know, I'm seriously mathematically inclined, but I was wondering if any other LL owner has noticed a ratio between the number of hyphens in the URL to the number of 404's months later.

Or am I simply the

Elephant Man?

Kezza · 2005-01-28, 11:57 PM

Now I feel seriously challenged... because I have no idea what you are asking

natalie · 2005-01-29, 12:51 AM

Yeah I hear you Dareutwo... In a google forum I follow they have speculated on whether google will start to penalise these sites in the future. There is a strong correlation between url withs more than two hyphens and spammy, scammy (throw-away domains) sites. And yes I have noticed this on Punani as well.

RawAlex · 2005-01-29, 01:52 AM

More so if the hyphens are in the third level domain ie: scammy-shit.somedumbdomain.info

Alex

abe · 2005-01-29, 06:03 AM

Dare, I think that with statistics you can prove about anything

In some of my domains I use hyphens because I read somewhere that hyphens are seen as spaces by Google (there where an underscore is seen as a character).

dareutwo · 2005-01-29, 06:30 AM

abe - don't get me wrong.. the serious webmasters will always be serious webmasters.
However, if I get a new submitter with "type-my-domain-in-here.crap" - well I can bet that will be gone within 90 days.
Just an observation on my part, maybe I should get out more.. lol

abe · 2005-01-29, 07:17 AM

I'm sure you and Alex are right. Experience often is worth more then statistics

Sometimes things like that puzzles me. I told you why I use hyphens.
And I don't use third level domains because I think they are a pita.

But why would a cheater more frequently use hyphens and 3th level domains then honest webmasters?

natalie · 2005-01-29, 07:56 AM

Hi Abe
Apparently that has changed and now Google ranks a phrase in a url whether it has hyphens for spaces or not. For example if you type real estate into google you get urls such as www.realestate.com.au. Perhaps what I suggested earlier is already occurring. No hyphenes urls are showing in those results before number 95.

Opti · 2005-01-30, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natalie

Hi Abe
Apparently that has changed and now Google ranks a phrase in a url whether it has hyphens for spaces or not. For example if you type real estate into google you get urls such as www.realestate.com.au. Perhaps what I suggested earlier is already occurring. No hyphenes urls are showing in those results before number 95.

Where did that come from Nat?

Pretty sure google still treats - as a space and _ as a unique character.. whether it's in a domain name or in any other word. I'd love to know more info on what you have heard has changed.

Greenguy · 2005-01-29, 09:41 AM

What's wrong with domains that have hyphens in them?

abe · 2005-01-29, 04:10 PM

I guess you're right Natalie. Google

Probably I drunk to much wine tonight. But the value of hyphened domains goes down. So what does cheaters do?

natalie · 2005-01-29, 05:12 PM

hehe luckily it is only speculation lol...
http://www.link-o-rama.com
http://www.pun-an-i.com
http://www.cleos-porn-links.com

Of course I think I did say MORE than two

dareutwo · 2005-01-29, 06:09 PM

Now marks-links..

Kezza · 2005-01-29, 06:36 PM

OK... so now I am awake... and I read others responses I see what you meant! doh!

I have not noticed a high number of hyphen domains being deleted when I run my link checker.

Our Link lists did take a bit of bad hit from google before christmas... had not considered it was because of the hyphens:

link-fabulous.com
premium-sex-links.com

Something to consider I suppose

natalie · 2005-01-29, 06:58 PM

Hi Kezza

I doubt thats why they took a hit, we all went down in pr (mine from a 5 to a 4) regardless of hyphens. I think/hope one or two hyphens isn't a prob but some have 4 and subdomains. I don't think its time to hit the panic button

That said I won't buy any more domains with them if I can help.

Mishi · 2005-01-30, 03:55 AM

Google is a fickle bitch (but I love her!)...I seem to recall that at one point, Google didn't parse out individual words in non-hyphenated domains. So hyphenated domains became "hot" for a while. But now she seems to find keywords no matter how hard you try to hide them. Next week will probably be different.

Kezza · 2005-01-30, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natalie

Hi Kezza

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Hi Natalie

Kezza · 2005-01-30, 06:46 AM

well I am pretty sure that the domain names that have hyphens and no reference to porn will live on
http://www.link-o-rama.com
http://www.pun-an-i.com
http://www.link-fabulous.com etc
these domains are not looking for keywords or phrases in the domain name... they are relying on good content on their pages

natalie · 2005-01-30, 04:19 PM

Hi Opti, Its from the Google News forum at Webmasterworld (via my other half who does seo as part of his job in a large multimedia company). Yes they treat it as a space still but we are saying that a space is not needed anymore. I couldnt find the actual thread to link to but I recommend it as a great read for anyone serious about seo. (hope i am not in trouble gg)

Opti · 2005-01-30, 04:46 PM

Thanks Nat... I think I get what you are saying better now... I'd love to read that thread if you find it or anyone else knows it.

2005-01-28, 07:31 PM	#1
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	LL owners - a hyphen ratio guideline?? With the few hours I do have to work on this, I have been seriously running through stuff. Many thanks to Ramster He simply Rocks!! As many or you already know, I'm seriously mathematically inclined, but I was wondering if any other LL owner has noticed a ratio between the number of hyphens in the URL to the number of 404's months later. Or am I simply the Elephant Man? __________________ This is me Mark's-Links

2005-01-28, 11:57 PM	#2
Kezza 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think NOT! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 559	Now I feel seriously challenged... because I have no idea what you are asking __________________ Kezza Now This IS Groovy Free Porn

2005-01-29, 12:51 AM	#3
natalie Whoo! 9/10 the way to buddy plays in "The Christ from Oz"! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 921	Yeah I hear you Dareutwo... In a google forum I follow they have speculated on whether google will start to penalise these sites in the future. There is a strong correlation between url withs more than two hyphens and spammy, scammy (throw-away domains) sites. And yes I have noticed this on Punani as well. __________________ No 2257 woes with Retroraunch Submit to my Punani And my Pink Pussy

2005-01-29, 06:30 AM	#6
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	abe - don't get me wrong.. the serious webmasters will always be serious webmasters. However, if I get a new submitter with "type-my-domain-in-here.crap" - well I can bet that will be gone within 90 days. Just an observation on my part, maybe I should get out more.. lol __________________ This is me Mark's-Links

2005-01-29, 07:56 AM	#8
natalie Whoo! 9/10 the way to buddy plays in "The Christ from Oz"! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 921	Hi Abe Apparently that has changed and now Google ranks a phrase in a url whether it has hyphens for spaces or not. For example if you type real estate into google you get urls such as www.realestate.com.au. Perhaps what I suggested earlier is already occurring. No hyphenes urls are showing in those results before number 95. __________________ No 2257 woes with Retroraunch Submit to my Punani And my Pink Pussy

2005-01-29, 01:52 AM	#4
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	More so if the hyphens are in the third level domain ie: scammy-shit.somedumbdomain.info Alex

2005-01-29, 06:03 AM	#5
abe Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 99	Dare, I think that with statistics you can prove about anything In some of my domains I use hyphens because I read somewhere that hyphens are seen as spaces by Google (there where an underscore is seen as a character).

2005-01-29, 07:17 AM	#7
abe Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 99	I'm sure you and Alex are right. Experience often is worth more then statistics Sometimes things like that puzzles me. I told you why I use hyphens. And I don't use third level domains because I think they are a pita. But why would a cheater more frequently use hyphens and 3th level domains then honest webmasters?

2005-01-29, 09:41 AM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	What's wrong with domains that have hyphens in them? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-01-29, 04:10 PM	#11
abe Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 99	I guess you're right Natalie. Google Probably I drunk to much wine tonight. But the value of hyphened domains goes down. So what does cheaters do?

2005-01-29, 05:12 PM	#12
natalie Whoo! 9/10 the way to buddy plays in "The Christ from Oz"! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 921	hehe luckily it is only speculation lol... http://www.link-o-rama.com http://www.pun-an-i.com http://www.cleos-porn-links.com Of course I think I did say MORE than two __________________ No 2257 woes with Retroraunch Submit to my Punani And my Pink Pussy

2005-01-29, 06:09 PM	#13
dareutwo You can't disprove anything with evidence that doesn't exist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Minnesota - pop 865 +/- 1 Posts: 2,038	Now marks-links.. __________________ This is me Mark's-Links

2005-01-29, 06:36 PM	#14
Kezza 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think NOT! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 559	OK... so now I am awake... and I read others responses I see what you meant! doh! I have not noticed a high number of hyphen domains being deleted when I run my link checker. Our Link lists did take a bit of bad hit from google before christmas... had not considered it was because of the hyphens: link-fabulous.com premium-sex-links.com Something to consider I suppose __________________ Kezza Now This IS Groovy Free Porn

2005-01-29, 06:58 PM	#15
natalie Whoo! 9/10 the way to buddy plays in "The Christ from Oz"! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 921	Hi Kezza I doubt thats why they took a hit, we all went down in pr (mine from a 5 to a 4) regardless of hyphens. I think/hope one or two hyphens isn't a prob but some have 4 and subdomains. I don't think its time to hit the panic button That said I won't buy any more domains with them if I can help. __________________ No 2257 woes with Retroraunch Submit to my Punani And my Pink Pussy

2005-01-30, 03:55 AM	#16
Mishi I want to live. I want to experience the universe, and I want to eat pie. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain Posts: 661	Google is a fickle bitch (but I love her!)...I seem to recall that at one point, Google didn't parse out individual words in non-hyphenated domains. So hyphenated domains became "hot" for a while. But now she seems to find keywords no matter how hard you try to hide them. Next week will probably be different.

2005-01-30, 06:46 AM	#18
Kezza 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think NOT! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 559	well I am pretty sure that the domain names that have hyphens and no reference to porn will live on http://www.link-o-rama.com http://www.pun-an-i.com http://www.link-fabulous.com etc these domains are not looking for keywords or phrases in the domain name... they are relying on good content on their pages __________________ Kezza Now This IS Groovy Free Porn

2005-01-30, 04:19 PM	#19
natalie Whoo! 9/10 the way to buddy plays in "The Christ from Oz"! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 921	Hi Opti, Its from the Google News forum at Webmasterworld (via my other half who does seo as part of his job in a large multimedia company). Yes they treat it as a space still but we are saying that a space is not needed anymore. I couldnt find the actual thread to link to but I recommend it as a great read for anyone serious about seo. (hope i am not in trouble gg) __________________ No 2257 woes with Retroraunch Submit to my Punani And my Pink Pussy

2005-01-30, 04:46 PM	#20
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	Thanks Nat... I think I get what you are saying better now... I'd love to read that thread if you find it or anyone else knows it.