free hosting from sponsor as 2257 solution?

eksites · 2005-06-06, 02:49 PM

Here's a question for you. If I build a gallery, free site, etc for a sponsor using their content and their hosting, wouldn't their own 2257 info (which they have to keep anyway) be enough?

Any thoughts on whether this may be a way for gallery/freesite builders to get around documentation requirements for sponsor content?

Greenguy · 2005-06-06, 05:05 PM

2257 or not, I'm still against free hosting as far as sites that I link to on my Link Lists

bdld · 2005-06-06, 05:43 PM

the person who manages the content is the one responsible.

Greenguy · 2005-06-06, 06:09 PM

It'd work under the new 2257 regs - but I don't want to give everyone my idea

tickler · 2005-06-06, 07:08 PM

My take is that if you are not an actual employee of the company, you are still a secondary producer putting images up in cyberspace and are therefor responsible for 2257 docs.

N J · 2005-06-06, 07:53 PM

Define employee.....ones who get paid to do a job??

Greenguy, what about freehosting with your own domain?

Greenguy · 2005-06-06, 10:05 PM

Unless the hosting company sends you an invoice for the bandwidth you use, it's free hosting - who owns the domain or email addy or tech support contact info means nothing.

N J · 2005-06-07, 03:21 AM

No I agree it's freehosting, but my point was wouldn't you list those? I don't really see the difference between what we offer and a virtual hosting account - you get your own domain, admin, no banners, exit, 404 redirect, movies allowed etc... you just don't pay for it. And it's not cogent.
I completely understand that you don't want to list sites on a regular freehost which alters the sites, uses a shared cogent connection etc..., but I believe a lot of sponsors now offer decent solutions, which should be at least as good as a virtual account.

You set the standard for a lot of LLs, so I'm quite interested in knowing, if it worth for our webmasters submitting freesites from our freehosting or if they should concentrate on tgp/mgp.

Greenguy · 2005-06-07, 08:03 AM

Actually, it occurred to me this morning that if someone other than the sponsor owned the domain, then they would be in charge of the 2257 docs & thus, it really solves nothing in the eyes of 2257.

N J · 2005-06-07, 08:19 AM

True but we do buy the domains and I think a lot of other sponsors don't mind paying 10 bucks for an affiliate to avoid 2257 problems.

BUT does it solve the problems and can webmasters be listed?

Greenguy · 2005-06-07, 08:22 AM

A couple of bad apple Free Hosts pretty much ruined it for everyone a couple years ago - I really see no need to bend the rules for a couple of people when it's much easier to just no allow any free hosting.

Hosting is cheap - if 2257 fucks you, then maybe you shouldn't be making sites with images on them.

N J · 2005-06-07, 08:30 AM

Isn't this the biz in a nutshell - some bad apples ruining it for the rest!

But fair enough, just trying to get an idea of what we can do to help our US based webmasters.

N J · 2005-06-07, 08:33 AM

Maybe this will even clean up our biz a bit - cut off the wannabees.

Remember those times where we had to buy our own content to promote someelses sites, pay for hosting etc...etc..etc..

2005-06-06, 02:49 PM	#1
eksites Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 73	free hosting from sponsor as 2257 solution? Here's a question for you. If I build a gallery, free site, etc for a sponsor using their content and their hosting, wouldn't their own 2257 info (which they have to keep anyway) be enough? Any thoughts on whether this may be a way for gallery/freesite builders to get around documentation requirements for sponsor content?

2005-06-06, 05:05 PM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	2257 or not, I'm still against free hosting as far as sites that I link to on my Link Lists __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-06, 05:43 PM	#3
bdld Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 101	the person who manages the content is the one responsible. __________________ selling links on a 700+ domain network, email me

2005-06-06, 06:09 PM	#4
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	It'd work under the new 2257 regs - but I don't want to give everyone my idea __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-06, 07:08 PM	#5
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	My take is that if you are not an actual employee of the company, you are still a secondary producer putting images up in cyberspace and are therefor responsible for 2257 docs. __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2005-06-06, 07:53 PM	#6
N J Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 128	Define employee.....ones who get paid to do a job?? Greenguy, what about freehosting with your own domain?

2005-06-06, 10:05 PM	#7
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Unless the hosting company sends you an invoice for the bandwidth you use, it's free hosting - who owns the domain or email addy or tech support contact info means nothing. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-07, 03:21 AM	#8
N J Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 128	No I agree it's freehosting, but my point was wouldn't you list those? I don't really see the difference between what we offer and a virtual hosting account - you get your own domain, admin, no banners, exit, 404 redirect, movies allowed etc... you just don't pay for it. And it's not cogent. I completely understand that you don't want to list sites on a regular freehost which alters the sites, uses a shared cogent connection etc..., but I believe a lot of sponsors now offer decent solutions, which should be at least as good as a virtual account. You set the standard for a lot of LLs, so I'm quite interested in knowing, if it worth for our webmasters submitting freesites from our freehosting or if they should concentrate on tgp/mgp.

2005-06-07, 08:03 AM	#9
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Actually, it occurred to me this morning that if someone other than the sponsor owned the domain, then they would be in charge of the 2257 docs & thus, it really solves nothing in the eyes of 2257. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-07, 08:19 AM	#10
N J Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 128	True but we do buy the domains and I think a lot of other sponsors don't mind paying 10 bucks for an affiliate to avoid 2257 problems. BUT does it solve the problems and can webmasters be listed?

2005-06-07, 08:22 AM	#11
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	A couple of bad apple Free Hosts pretty much ruined it for everyone a couple years ago - I really see no need to bend the rules for a couple of people when it's much easier to just no allow any free hosting. Hosting is cheap - if 2257 fucks you, then maybe you shouldn't be making sites with images on them. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-06-07, 08:30 AM	#12
N J Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 128	Isn't this the biz in a nutshell - some bad apples ruining it for the rest! But fair enough, just trying to get an idea of what we can do to help our US based webmasters.

2005-06-07, 08:33 AM	#13
N J Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 128	Maybe this will even clean up our biz a bit - cut off the wannabees. Remember those times where we had to buy our own content to promote someelses sites, pay for hosting etc...etc..etc..