Need advice on keywords

juggernaut · 2005-08-17, 01:03 AM

Ok well Im starting a new site, and its in php. Not sure if I understood this correctly that PHP is not so great for SEO. Anyway first page is html and was wondering when you guys have time if you could look over my index and tell me if things look ok as far as the keywords go and the words on the page. Rememer I'm still new at this and any advice would be great. If this is going to be the most looked over page by SE then I would like to make it as best as I can. thanks jugg.
PS the site is not finished yet I have programmer making a couple of changes lol poor guy has had to make like 100 of them already lol.
www.camhostlist.com

Halfdeck · 2005-08-17, 02:20 AM

Hey Jugg,

http://www.camhostlist.com/

The keyword to content relevance is not good. No big deal but you may get penalized for spamming or keyword stuffing. I'd personally drop half of those words in the keywords tag.

The description is 329 characters long. Again, no big deal, but I'd shorten it.

Since your index.php isn't your domain root, I'd name it something completely different, like welcome.html or home.html.

Your logo up top should have an alt tag.

juggernaut · 2005-08-17, 03:00 AM

Ok Changed things around. I dont know if I can rename the index.php as I really dont know what in this guys code looks for it. But I will ask if it can be changed with out issues. Would I be able to change the index.html to default.html if I cant rename the index.php and will that hurt anything? I figured out that allot of the stuff was way way to long. I remember reading someplace that max it should be like 250 or something. So when I first put it up I checked it and just knew it would be to long. Well I lost almost 1/2 of the KW and the descrp got cut down also. Pain in the ass this is as no one seems to know 100% on the length. Alt tag just forgot lol. Thank you for looking. jugg

T Pat · 2005-08-17, 05:19 AM

Juggernut everything halfdeck told you is right on but I'm going to go further than you asked for, go ahead and cuse me out all you want you'll thank me latter and this lesson is only going to cost you the price of a domain name.
your domain name sucks it does nothing for the search engines or the surfers you want a domain name that makes the surfer want to click through and take a look. I googled for you, used your key words, then part of your keywords, then even a smaller part of your keywords and finnale your domain name the ( k) are the number of pages your competing with and the # of adsense ads is aTjPat origonal key word value check, the way I see it if no one is paying for adsense ads the key words aren't worth squat.

Cam Host List is a listing of independent Adult Web Cam Hosts (192k) (adsense ads 14) http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+Web+Cam+Hosts

listing of independent Adult Web Cam Hosts (249k) (adsense ads 20) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ts&btnG=Search

independent Adult Web Cams (886k) (adsense ads 8) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ms&btnG=Search

cam host list (776k) (adsense ads 0) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...st&btnG=Search

I looked up a few names for you I was after a name that would get the surfers attention and not be imposible to get a top 10 listing with some traffic
WANT2CMYPUSSY.COM
IM-A-SLUT-CAMS.COM
BORED-SLUT-CAMS.COM
EYE-FUCK-ME.COM

I'm a friggin domain name junkie and I realy like two of the four I came up with so stop cusing me now and go register them before someone snags them.
Eye-fuck-me flunked the adsense test (but I still like the name)

bored-slut-cams.com

BORED SLUT CAMS (81k) (adsense ads 44) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...MS&btnG=Search

hope that helps I got to get some sleep

juggernaut · 2005-08-17, 06:27 AM

I would not curse you out for advice lol. Thank you. I would think it would not google the page just got up like 1 week ago.

Stever · 2005-08-23, 03:59 AM

Jug,

use this tool to see the keyword density for certain words and phrases as they appear in your content http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/kwda.cgi

then pick the words and phrases that come up teh most often here, use some judgment to drop those phrases that are not likely to actually be used in search. (The spider will grab key phrases from the begining of one sentance and the end of another sometimes giving you a nonsensical phrase.) Put those top phrases in your keywords meta tags. Dont bother with keywords you dont actually use as content on the page. waste of time

Your logo graphic is hard to read. Its a nice looking font but not very readable. This has nothing to do with seo just my opinion.

For your Title phrase on that page "Cam Host List is a listing of independent adult web cam hosts." use H1 tags. and then tweak the font smaller if normal H1 is just too large. using H tags is an important part of on page optimization. MSN loves em. I see you are using H3 right now. It is important to get your most important key phrases inside H tags.

In your keyword list why bother with this "MSN Yahoo ICQ AIM Cams"? would anyone ever do a search for that term? Place your most relevant keywords at teh begining of your keyword list.

And here is a secret weapon for finding teh top search terms people actualy use when they are searching http://www.nichebot.com/o/

this amazing tool tells you the number of searches done on the Yahoo network in the last 60 days. It then breaks it down into related search phrases. Start with a single word, broad phrase, and it will tell you how often searches are made for that word and other phrases with that word in it. Plus it gives you teh number of pages in google that have that phrase in it and teh ratio of pages to searches. Target some of the lesser searched phrases at the bottom where there is less competition. Once you get some traffic coming in from that, then start aiming for teh more competitive terms now that you have some PR and google recognizes your URL has been around for a while.

Here are part of the results for teh word "cams" (the tools drops teh s off most plurals)

web cam 3,797,601 26,700,000 2,780,000 0.73
live sex cam 326,276 2,310,000 652,000 2.00
cam144,963 25,300,000 28,600,000 197.29
beach cam 114,649 1,860,000 158,000 1.38
free web cam 79,357 8,320,000 475,000 5.99
live web cam 78,215 7,450,000 946,000 12.09
web cam girl 73,827 1,870,000 153,000 2.07
live cam 59,775 5,640,000 866,000 14.49
sex cam 50,576 9,110,000 1,450,000 28.67

the term "web cam" gets 3.7million searches and there are 26.7million pages out there with those words but only 2.6million have that exact keyphrase for a ratio of 0.73 pages for every search. Targeting the phrase "sex cam" would be difficult as it is highly competitive with a ratio of 28.67 pages to every 1 search. But "web cam girl" has a very low ratio and gets 50% more traffic. you will often find some phrases that are hypercompetitive because they are too obvious, but many webmasters dont think hard enough about the phrases people actually use so you can sometime find a nice phrase that is not very competitive but gets a good amount of traffic. Then just build your pages around that phrase and get that phrase in the Anchor text of your back links and you will place very well, eventually. you can get top rankings on MSN within a couple weeks (too easy) but MSN only gets about 10% of SE traffic. Google takes lots and lots of time.

Stever · 2005-08-23, 04:03 AM

check the keyword density of my post and the word "teh" should come up pretty high.
It seems to be my favortie typo.

My fingers get lysdexic.

2005-08-17, 01:03 AM	#1
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	Need advice on keywords Ok well Im starting a new site, and its in php. Not sure if I understood this correctly that PHP is not so great for SEO. Anyway first page is html and was wondering when you guys have time if you could look over my index and tell me if things look ok as far as the keywords go and the words on the page. Rememer I'm still new at this and any advice would be great. If this is going to be the most looked over page by SE then I would like to make it as best as I can. thanks jugg. PS the site is not finished yet I have programmer making a couple of changes lol poor guy has had to make like 100 of them already lol. www.camhostlist.com

2005-08-17, 02:20 AM	#2
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	Hey Jugg, http://www.camhostlist.com/ The keyword to content relevance is not good. No big deal but you may get penalized for spamming or keyword stuffing. I'd personally drop half of those words in the keywords tag. The description is 329 characters long. Again, no big deal, but I'd shorten it. Since your index.php isn't your domain root, I'd name it something completely different, like welcome.html or home.html. Your logo up top should have an alt tag. __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2005-08-23, 03:59 AM	#6
Stever Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 208	Jug, use this tool to see the keyword density for certain words and phrases as they appear in your content http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/kwda.cgi then pick the words and phrases that come up teh most often here, use some judgment to drop those phrases that are not likely to actually be used in search. (The spider will grab key phrases from the begining of one sentance and the end of another sometimes giving you a nonsensical phrase.) Put those top phrases in your keywords meta tags. Dont bother with keywords you dont actually use as content on the page. waste of time Your logo graphic is hard to read. Its a nice looking font but not very readable. This has nothing to do with seo just my opinion. For your Title phrase on that page "Cam Host List is a listing of independent adult web cam hosts." use H1 tags. and then tweak the font smaller if normal H1 is just too large. using H tags is an important part of on page optimization. MSN loves em. I see you are using H3 right now. It is important to get your most important key phrases inside H tags. In your keyword list why bother with this "MSN Yahoo ICQ AIM Cams"? would anyone ever do a search for that term? Place your most relevant keywords at teh begining of your keyword list. And here is a secret weapon for finding teh top search terms people actualy use when they are searching http://www.nichebot.com/o/ this amazing tool tells you the number of searches done on the Yahoo network in the last 60 days. It then breaks it down into related search phrases. Start with a single word, broad phrase, and it will tell you how often searches are made for that word and other phrases with that word in it. Plus it gives you teh number of pages in google that have that phrase in it and teh ratio of pages to searches. Target some of the lesser searched phrases at the bottom where there is less competition. Once you get some traffic coming in from that, then start aiming for teh more competitive terms now that you have some PR and google recognizes your URL has been around for a while. Here are part of the results for teh word "cams" (the tools drops teh s off most plurals) web cam 3,797,601 26,700,000 2,780,000 0.73 live sex cam 326,276 2,310,000 652,000 2.00 cam144,963 25,300,000 28,600,000 197.29 beach cam 114,649 1,860,000 158,000 1.38 free web cam 79,357 8,320,000 475,000 5.99 live web cam 78,215 7,450,000 946,000 12.09 web cam girl 73,827 1,870,000 153,000 2.07 live cam 59,775 5,640,000 866,000 14.49 sex cam 50,576 9,110,000 1,450,000 28.67 the term "web cam" gets 3.7million searches and there are 26.7million pages out there with those words but only 2.6million have that exact keyphrase for a ratio of 0.73 pages for every search. Targeting the phrase "sex cam" would be difficult as it is highly competitive with a ratio of 28.67 pages to every 1 search. But "web cam girl" has a very low ratio and gets 50% more traffic. you will often find some phrases that are hypercompetitive because they are too obvious, but many webmasters dont think hard enough about the phrases people actually use so you can sometime find a nice phrase that is not very competitive but gets a good amount of traffic. Then just build your pages around that phrase and get that phrase in the Anchor text of your back links and you will place very well, eventually. you can get top rankings on MSN within a couple weeks (too easy) but MSN only gets about 10% of SE traffic. Google takes lots and lots of time. __________________ <a href="http://www.fioramall.com/click/sponsor.php?kw_userid=Stever"><img src="http://www.steverslinks.com/images/fiora.gif"</a>

2005-08-23, 04:03 AM	#7
Stever Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 208	check the keyword density of my post and the word "teh" should come up pretty high. It seems to be my favortie typo. My fingers get lysdexic. __________________ <a href="http://www.fioramall.com/click/sponsor.php?kw_userid=Stever"><img src="http://www.steverslinks.com/images/fiora.gif"</a>

2005-08-17, 03:00 AM	#3
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	Ok Changed things around. I dont know if I can rename the index.php as I really dont know what in this guys code looks for it. But I will ask if it can be changed with out issues. Would I be able to change the index.html to default.html if I cant rename the index.php and will that hurt anything? I figured out that allot of the stuff was way way to long. I remember reading someplace that max it should be like 250 or something. So when I first put it up I checked it and just knew it would be to long. Well I lost almost 1/2 of the KW and the descrp got cut down also. Pain in the ass this is as no one seems to know 100% on the length. Alt tag just forgot lol. Thank you for looking. jugg

2005-08-17, 05:19 AM	#4
T Pat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Paridise Posts: 3,244	Juggernut everything halfdeck told you is right on but I'm going to go further than you asked for, go ahead and cuse me out all you want you'll thank me latter and this lesson is only going to cost you the price of a domain name. your domain name sucks it does nothing for the search engines or the surfers you want a domain name that makes the surfer want to click through and take a look. I googled for you, used your key words, then part of your keywords, then even a smaller part of your keywords and finnale your domain name the ( k) are the number of pages your competing with and the # of adsense ads is aTjPat origonal key word value check, the way I see it if no one is paying for adsense ads the key words aren't worth squat. Cam Host List is a listing of independent Adult Web Cam Hosts (192k) (adsense ads 14) http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+Web+Cam+Hosts listing of independent Adult Web Cam Hosts (249k) (adsense ads 20) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ts&btnG=Search independent Adult Web Cams (886k) (adsense ads 8) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ms&btnG=Search cam host list (776k) (adsense ads 0) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...st&btnG=Search I looked up a few names for you I was after a name that would get the surfers attention and not be imposible to get a top 10 listing with some traffic WANT2CMYPUSSY.COM IM-A-SLUT-CAMS.COM BORED-SLUT-CAMS.COM EYE-FUCK-ME.COM I'm a friggin domain name junkie and I realy like two of the four I came up with so stop cusing me now and go register them before someone snags them. Eye-fuck-me flunked the adsense test (but I still like the name) bored-slut-cams.com BORED SLUT CAMS (81k) (adsense ads 44) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...MS&btnG=Search hope that helps I got to get some sleep

2005-08-17, 06:27 AM	#5
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	I would not curse you out for advice lol. Thank you. I would think it would not google the page just got up like 1 week ago.