Anyone here feel best qualified to be point man with the FSC?

[Bill]

Before we start another round of discussing political action, I thought it would be a good idea to see if anyone here wants the role of being an "official" liason with the Free Speech Coalition?

I can't do it, I want my anonymity, I live in redneck country, if I become publicly known in the media as an adult webmaster I'll probably start getting bullets thru the windows.

And, I have a bit of a history of drug use, so I'm pretty much useless as a political face person.

I'm happy to do the grunt work in the background, writing and fundraising and what have you, but I can't be a public face.

Since that's the case, it might be good if someone who does have political ambitions stepped up and took the role of being our representative to the FSC.

Anybody want the job?

[LowryBigwood]

I nominate Greenguy.

[Beaver Bob]

Greenguy would get my vote too

[Greenguy]

The motion has been seconded & carried. I gladly accept this position....WHOA! Slow down a bit

What am I being nominated for?

From what Bill says, I don't think I want it either

Besides, if you threw me up there, I'd recommend that everything have a legit warning page, thus squashing every TGP & gallery maker's business model

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Besides, if you threw me up there, I'd recommend that everything have a legit warning page, thus squashing every TGP & gallery maker's business model

And what is wrong with that?

I agree, anyone like Jay, Tommy, GG would get my vote.

[MonsterPartners]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

The motion has been seconded & carried. I gladly accept this position....WHOA! Slow down a bit

What am I being nominated for?

From what Bill says, I don't think I want it either

Besides, if you threw me up there, I'd recommend that everything have a legit warning page, thus squashing every TGP & gallery maker's business model

Just out of curiosity. Do you believe that a warning page would ever stop a minor from cicking YES I'm OVER 18? I mean, they are stealing thier parents credit cards, what makes people think a warning page will stop them?

Don't get me wrong, I WANT minors to stay the hell out of viewing adult content. I just believe the FCC and many others are forgetting one thing...PARENTS...they should have a role in monitoring thier children.

The government can create a xxx or whatever. They can make us in the adult industry jump through hoops. They can take every single precaution available and it is STILL going to happen because parents are NOT doing their jobs.

I have kids and I have a 10 year old that loves spending time on the net. She has her own login to the computer. She has bookmarks of where she is allowed to go on the net.

She has a little book that she can write down the names of sites she has heard about from friends or TV. We check the sites out, if it is something we approve of, it is added to her list of approved sites and she is allowed to go there.

She is never allowed on the computer unless someone is in the room with her and actually glancing at her screen frequently to make sure everything is ok. She is not allowed a MySpace account, she is not allowed to have her own email address, nor is she allowed to have instant messaging or go to chat rooms. My older children went through the same rules and regulations when they were young. We taught them safe surfing, we took part in their online activities and we discussed the dangers of the internet. I see no difference between this and teaching your child how to drive safely or how to protect themselves when out with friends etc. It is part of the being a parent.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by MonsterPartners

Just out of curiosity. Do you believe that a warning page would ever stop a minor from cicking YES I'm OVER 18? I mean, they are stealing thier parents credit cards, what makes people think a warning page will stop them?...

It's called a "good faith effort" & is strongly backed by the ASACP. Short of driving from house to house & patrolling what kids surf on my own, it's the best thing I can do for my business model.

[karomesis]

It's called a "good faith effort" & is strongly backed by the ASACP. Short of driving from house to house & patrolling what kids surf on my own, it's the best thing I can do for my business model.

Greenguy, If everyone in the industry performed similar acts, what is to stop them from requiring more and more and more after that? Then they might say your warning page needs to be in multiple languages like spanish as well, if concessions are made they will never stop making more demands of the industry as a whole until we are left making 5 baziliion concessions because they keep demanding more and more, Thus wasting all our time to please the conservatives and less and less time making the sales and business connections so vital to the industries continued success.

I don't mean to lecture you on the topic, because I am extremely new to the biz and I know you have been in it for 10+ years. So I guess I should ask you, in your experience in the biz, how many concessions have you seen from the adult industry to no avail? Is it true they will never be happy with what we do to help them protect their children?

I can speak as a person who a few years ago was a fundamental baptist, the most vicious form of conservatives you could possibly imagine, women are frowned upon for wearing pants|shocking| In the end, it is groups similar to these that must be appeased, and I know they will never be happy with the adult biz, they will always look for an excuse to make more demands until we are desitute. Now it is the ever so propular "protect the children" ploy, and they will milk it for all it's worth, as will the sonsofbitches politicians who to their demands for political power.

[Chop Smith]

what is so hard to understand about warning pages? It is not what you are dictated to do. It is not even about right or wrong. Well maybe it is the right thing to do but the by-product is when your ass is on the carpet, you can say "I did everything in my power to let your child know that I did not want him in my site. Now go take some parenting classes"

Originally Posted by karomesis

I can speak as a person who a few years ago was a fundamental baptist, the most vicious form of conservatives you could possibly imagine, women are frowned upon for wearing pants|shocking| In the end, it is groups similar to these that must be appeased, and I know they will never be happy with the adult biz, they will always look for an excuse to make more demands until we are desitute. Now it is the ever so propular "protect the children" ploy, and they will milk it for all it's worth, as will the sonsofbitches politicians who to their demands for political power.

Send Useless Warrior and me to lobby for you. We do tend to speak our minds. Once we call 535 politicians cocksuckers, you will all be out of business. Your religion and your political party has little to do with this. For example, my brother is an ordain baptist minister and was once the head of the Republican Party in my county. Guess what, that sucker likes sex as much as his little brother and yes he knows what I do.

"A fundamental baptist, the most vicious form of conservatives you could possibly imagine" and "sonsofbitches politicians?" This is like trash talking before a ball game and then getting your ass handed to you after the game. Do they know who says what just because you are hiding out under an alias. Hell yeah, if they don't they can hire someone like Linkster to track you down.

Tell you what. You call Greenguy a low life link list owner and them ask him to list your stuff. I contact him and ask to be listed and ask in return what I can do for him. I think I would have an edge just because I never trash talked him.

Yes, it is time for me to STFU and get productive. The baby needs shoes and you are not going to hire me as your lobbist. Therefore, I need to go find something to submit to GG.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by karomesis

...I don't mean to lecture you on the topic, because I am extremely new to the biz and I know you have been in it for 10+ years. So I guess I should ask you, in your experience in the biz, how many concessions have you seen from the adult industry to no avail? Is it true they will never be happy with what we do to help them protect their children? ....

Concessions? I honestly can't think of anything that has been put into place where legit online webmasters had to change their sites, including the new 2257, which is not yet a law.

The "good faith effort" has been a part of my business plan for as long as I can remember. I'm just a Link List & Free Site guy & both of those have warning pages. This way of making sites is not new to me & it's not like we're being told that we have to have warning pages, it's being suggested by a lot of people in the industry that it's a good idea to have them.

[Greenguy]

This just popped into my head...it might not be the best idea in the eyes of a lot of you, but XXXJay does already work with the FSC on some things & he is a Link List owner....I'd have to ask him how he felt on a couple of the ideas that we've bounced around in the last few clusterfuck threads, but it's an idea.

[Mr. Blue]

What about Tommy? After all, he started this whole mess with the political influence thing

I'm really okay with anyone that's high profile, that knows more than one avenue of the biz, and who's willing to take the shit that might get tossed at him. So, Tommy, GG, or any other person from New York (what? I can't help it if NYers are born to argue and perfectly suited for the task at hand).

UW would be a possible dark horse candidate because the pure entertainment value of him pulling a Howard Dean would be priceless

[MadMax]

Let's clarify here...are we talking about someone to work point with the FSC or someone to work point for the media/politicians? If we're talking media/politicians I think a female voice would be best...performer, webmaster, whatever...I think it should be a female voice.

I also think XXXJay would be an excellent candidate to work with the FSC...He's already close to their HQ, and beyond the fact that he's a dirty bastard (I know because I've read lots of his editorials and he's so proud of it ) he's one articulate motherfucker who knows how to form a point and get it across. He'd get my vote to work with the FSC.

I, myself, have a past that's a bit too colorful. I would have to decline an invitation to meet in public with any politician that I wanted to keep their office I'm happy to help in any non-spotlight manner that I can, including cold calling industry peeps who might be able to help us

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I also think XXXJay would be an excellent candidate to work with the FSC...He's already close to their HQ, and beyond the fact that he's a dirty bastard (I know because I've read lots of his editorials and he's so proud of it ) he's one articulate motherfucker who knows how to form a point and get it across. He'd get my vote to work with the FSC.

Don't get me wrong, as a newbie, JayXXX is my super idol but.... did you see his last Top Bucks spotlight interview. Don't know if that "made a deal with satan" stuff is where we want to go exactly.

[SirMoby]

Bill, why does being a liason between us and the FSC require public exposure?

As I understand what we need is someone to simply educate the FSC so they're not in front of the Senate telling them silly stuff like we support an impossible technology such as AVS and that adult webmasters don't label their pages.

I love Jay and I think he could do a good job but he's not around here much so I'm not sure how regular communications would go.

I would recommend someone that's around here often, already is using the labeling at hand and (sorry GG) understands that warning pages are always bypassed. Tommy would be great but I think it's the longest shot

Bill - Why not if it's just to educate the FSC there is no public exposure.

[Greenguy]

Sir Moby - no need to apologize - I know warning pages are being bypassed - been that way since the 1st sites linked to a page of pics

But I've become a bit brainwashed with the "Good Faith Effort" theory that was brought up at this seminar - and I know it's only because I've always been a free-site link-list warning-page kinda guy

[Bill]

That's a good question SirMoby. It's not so much that it's inevitable that a political point man would have to face exposure, it's just that it's a real risk, and one that we should be aware of.

Political action has it's own wierd mementum that tends to go like this:

Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Minor shitstorm. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Major Shitstorm. 60 Minutes Investigates.

I don't think GG or Tommy or Jay are the best choices, altho they are natural choices. We tend to naturally suggest them here because we trust and respect them, each in their own ways.

But, they are our big guns, and it would probably be better to hold them in reserve. Unless they want the job, then we should roll with them.

The ideal person would have political ambitions, would want to work with or in the sponsor companies and other adult organizations and become well known, would be articulate and good looking, a fair writer, and especially, especially, be able to listen.

The ideal person probably doesn't exist, actually.

I bring it up because I know I don't want the job, I'm not suitable for it. But somebody here might want the job. So I thought it might be worth starting to talk about at least.

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by Bill

That's a good question SirMoby. It's not so much that it's inevitable that a political point man would have to face exposure, it's just that it's a real risk, and one that we should be aware of.

Political action has it's own wierd mementum that tends to go like this:

Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Minor shitstorm. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Major Shitstorm. 60 Minutes Investigates.

I don't think GG or Tommy or Jay are the best choices, altho they are natural choices. We tend to naturally suggest them here because we trust and respect them, each in their own ways.

But, they are our big guns, and it would probably be better to hold them in reserve. Unless they want the job, then we should roll with them.

The ideal person would have political ambitions, would want to work with or in the sponsor companies and other adult organizations and become well known, would be articulate and good looking, a fair writer, and especially, especially, be able to listen.

The ideal person probably doesn't exist, actually.

I bring it up because I know I don't want the job, I'm not suitable for it. But somebody here might want the job. So I thought it might be worth starting to talk about at least.

I think the ideal person does exist, we just have to look hard. Do you have a more detailed description of what you expect of this individual?

Regards,

Mike B

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Bill

Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Minor shitstorm. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Major Shitstorm. 60 Minutes Investigates.

HA hahahahahahahahahahahaha, hohohohohohho, heheheeheh

[Tommy]

I am sorry guys

I would love to do it but I am to busy with the twins
I barely get any work done

I really like Bill for the idea Sir Moby and Raw Alex also
and would be happy to help who ever you guys pick

I am really gifted in debating/arguing this sort of stuff
(at least I think so)

Bill, I am sure we could find a way to keep you under the radar

[Chop Smith]

The ideal person should not be self-serving.

[SirMoby]

First let's define the role of the "Official Liaison To The FSC". If we can agree on that then we can focus the qualifications and start to nail down the right person.

Bill, what exactly do you think this person should do?

My vision is that this person would have 3 major responsibilities.

1. Understand the current technology issues with labeling, AVS, etc .... that are in use and can actually be used to help keep minors out without infringing on Free Speech and keeping an eye on International issues.

2. Listen well enough to understand all or at least most webmaster's concerns and know the difference between their own beliefs and the majorities beliefs.

3. Educate and communicate the above information to the FSC to ensure that they have the knowledge to stay on track, speak accurately on issues and move in the right direction.

[Bill]

The "issues" points you're emphasizing in your list, SirMoby, are a part of the task that a FSC pointman would face, but I'm thinking those requirements are the easy part.

The FSC is an older style organization. They do most of their business in face to face meetings and phone calls.

So, the ideal point man would be able to attend meetings. I guess that means they should live in california. Or at least be able to go to some of the conventions and meet with the FSC folks there, because I gather that the FSC hopes to have a presence at the conventions.

(I think maybe we should start calling this job the "FSC Contact" - point man is a military term - all politics is 'slow war' but we should soften it a bit...)

The ideal FSC Contact would be good on the phone and in email. The job would involve stuff like talking to sponsors, content producers, other board owners, other organizations, and by talking I mean mostly listening and occasionally making suggestions and asking leading questions.

Talking to sponsors would be a critical part of the role.

The ideal FSC contact would be able to run boardtracker campaigns to keep an eye on the topic of the FSC and other political issues.

The ideal FSC contact would be willing to post on other boards, become a bit of a personality on other boards, because we would need the co-operation of the other communities to get anything real happening, and to do any serious fund raising.

The FSC contact doesn't have to do all these things, actually. Really, their most important job would be to attend some meetings and do phone work with the existing FSC organization. Their second most important job would be working the other boards.

I could do some - a lot, I suppose - of the 'secretarial' type stuff, and I'm willing to do that, or at least try to do it. Or some of it.

Ultimately, the FSC Contact would have to be paid, something, somehow. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

So, to sum up:

1. The FSC Contact needs to be able to attend some meetings in California.

2. The FSC Contact needs to be able to become something of a board personality.

3. The FSC Contact needs to be able to do well on the phone.

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Bill

The FSC is an older style organization. They do most of their business in face to face meetings and phone calls.

If so, then they are not the ones to represent webmasters. We need an organization that is in the 21st century.

So, the ideal point man would be able to attend meetings. I guess that means they should live in California.

No, we should choose the best person to represent our concerns, not one that is most convenient for the FSC

The FSC contact doesn't have to do all these things, actually. Really, their most important job would be to attend some meetings and do phone work with the existing FSC organization.

No, the most important job would be as a liason between webmasters and the FCS

1. The FSC Contact needs to be able to attend some meetings in California.

Why?


2. The FSC Contact needs to be able to become something of a board personality.

3. The FSC Contact needs to be able to do well on the phone.[/quote]

[Bill]

I guess we had best start to examine the Adult Freedom Foundation:

Which at my first quick view seems to be mostly Paul Cambria himself.

http://www.adultfreedomfoundation.org/

Their statement has a bit of potential, despite being all caps.

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NEW GROUP FIGHTS FOR FREEDOMS

LOS ANGELES, CALIF. PROTECTING FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND COUNTERING ATTACKS ON THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS THE MISSION OF THE NEWLY CREATED “ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION.”

“ALL TOO OFTEN THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY HAS BEEN THE TARGET OF MISINFORMATION AND UNFOUNDED CRITICISM,” SAID ATTY. PAUL CAMBRIA, GENERAL COUNSEL.

“THE ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION WILL SPEAK WITH A NEW VOICE. WE PLAN TO SUPPLY ACCURATE AND POSITIVE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC FOR A CHANGE,” HE SAID.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE GROUP WANTS TO WORK WITH THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA IN GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT.

THE GROUP WILL PROVIDE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT ACCESS TO LEGAL, SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRY EXECUTIVES TO COUNTER BALANCE BOGUS CLAIMS BY AMBITIOUS POLITICANS, RIGHT WING GROUPS AND OTHERS.

THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY AND NOW IT’S TIME FOR OUR SIDE TO BE TOLD TOO.

AFF IS GOING TO BE A WATCH DOG ORGANIZATION FOR THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.

OUR STAFF WILL SOUND OFF LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN WE SPOT MISINFORMATION OR ATTACKS ON LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ACTIVITIES.

FREQUENTLY RIGHT WING GROUPS ATTEMPT TO CO MINGLE ILLEGAL CHILD PORNORGRAPHY WITH LAWFUL ADULT ENTERTAINMENT IN AN ATTEMPT TO OUTLAW BOTH.

THE AFF FORMED BY SEVERAL MAJOR NATIONAL COMPANIES, INCLUDING THOSE FROM THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, IS DEDICATED TO FIGHTING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

WHILE ADMANTLY AGAINST CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, AFF BELIEVES ADULTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENJOY EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT.

AND, THAT THE AVERAGE ADULT ACCEPTS THAT RIGHT FOR OTHER ADULTS TO CHOOSE LAWFUL EROTIC ENTERTAINMENT.
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