Gallery page submit?

[cockhungryhoes]

Ok,
I read something and I am a little confused now. That is this: "subbing galleries to a freesite LL can get you banned/black listed." I have a gallery page www.cockhungryhoes.com I don't want this to happen. My question is what type of site should I be submitting too? TGP's? I have been doing link lists because after reading many TGP's rules I have generally found they want 50 hit's a day and don't have have those kind of number. I have heard you should start with free site to get traffic and then turn it into a link list? I know I have many question in here but how exactly does a free site make money?

[Greenguy]

Link Lists link to Free Sites & TGP's link to Galleries.

[ecchi]

I am guessing that you read:

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Ok,
"subbing galleries to a freesite LL can get you banned/black listed."

in the rules of your sponsor who supplies the galleries. They are referring to the fact that you are using galleries not on your site. If you want to submit to link lists or TGPs you have to have your own galleries on your own site, not free hosted galleries.

If you don't know what I mean look at :
http://www.wildjunglesex.com/free-po...pussy-licking/
Once you enter the site, look at 'gallery 1' and 'gallery 2', you will see that they are both on the same domain as the index, and so are all the pictures. If you could check the domain (you cannot, it is 'whois protected') you would see that it is registered to me. That is the sort of site you need if you want it listed on link lists, and those are the sort of galleries you need if you want them listed on TGPs.

As far as I know, no link list or TGP will accept your listing free hosted galleries, and yes, many will blacklist you if you do submit them.

If you are wondering what the point of free hosted galleries and free hosted site is, they are used mostly by link list and TGP owners to pad out their lists and/or make a buck. People who have TGPs and link lists will list their sponsor's free hosted galleries/sites, with their own affiliate id code.

[cockhungryhoes]

Thanks Ecchi, you and Greenie explain thing very well. I thought the sponsor made you do it like that because of the way the use restrictions. I also have done it that way because I am with a paid host but a very cheap host and when I put alot of pic on my site its so slow people leave. Sound like I have kind of a catch 22. Moneys tight, and I am married tring to keep expenses down. I will just have to change it and make it right. I dont want to make people mad. That explains why so many of my link dumps dont send me hits.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

when I put alot of pic on my site its so slow people leave.

Assuming you are not using too big a picture (file size not width) then change host. A slow host will kill a lot of sales. It will also get you blacklisted on some link lists/TGPs. A decent host can be got for a dollar a gig, so why put up with a lousy host?

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

How do you do a 'whois protect'

I don't, I pay my domain register to do it for me. I think it costs a dollar a year, and for that they put their details in place of my contact details and only give out my true details when someone has a genuine legal claim (e.g. if I use someone else's copyright material).

[cockhungryhoes]

How do you do a 'whois protect'

[cockhungryhoes]

Ya I am with godaddy. I was with webair but man they were expensive and you didnt get much bandwidth. Now I do for cheap but its not worth it. Who is good and decently priced? I feel like I been set back to step 1 but its about getting it right you know.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Ya I am with godaddy.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Do a search on this board for threads about 'GoDaddy', but make sure you have some clean underwear ready before you read any of them, you will need it afterwards.

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Who is good and decently priced?

If you mean as a register, I use http://www.registerfly.com Apart from a few teething problems when they split from Enom I have had no problems, and their prices are OK. But their new site design is not as easy to navigate as it should be. If you mean as a host, I use http://www.exmasters.com/index.php?ref=ecchi for most of my sites.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

I feel like I been set back to step 1

Never think that. Even if you start all over again, you will find that you will re-use some old stuff to do it. Also remember you have moved ahead by all that you have learnt. Nothing is a "step back to square one" it is "regrouping for a new attack".

[cockhungryhoes]

Thanks man, I will look into how shitty godaddy is and then find someone else. I will check out your link.

[cockhungryhoes]

Well ok,
So Godaddy IS pretty shitty. I have never seen that on here. Not sure why I didnt see it. How much GB is needed would you say for a free site? Is 10gb enough? This will be the third host since Feb so I would like a good one. Its hard to keep switching. After reading the godaddy stories it good at least my domain is through directnic.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by cockhungryhoes

Well ok,
Is 10gb enough?.

10Gb a month is more than enough, unless you intend to submit the galleries to someone like the Hun. When I first got proper hosting I think I went for 1Gb per month.

Remember a good host will let you upgrade your package at any time (When I moved to Exmasters, I think I had 10Gb a month, and I have steadily built it up till I now have a dedicated server and a scary bandwidth bill every month). Most will also allow you to buy additional bandwidth if you get close to your limit.

[cockhungryhoes]

Well I would like to go with the cheapest just until I see a little cash even if it's $20 dollars. I just didnt want to get screwed. I would like just a 1GB. Then upgrade. Cool so your not locked in. I will do that this week then. I will use your link just give me a 2 or 3 days. I need to go learn a little.

[Useless]

cockhungryhoes - don't put whois protection on the domains you intend using for free site or gallery submissions. Many, if not most, link lists won't list anything on a whois protected domain.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

cockhungryhoes - don't put whois protection on the domains you intend using for free site or gallery submissions. Many, if not most, link lists won't list anything on a whois protected domain.

Really? I've never seen that in any rules?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Really? I've never seen that in any rules?

Neither have I, yet I know it to be true. There are a lot of policies that aren't stated in "the rules". Anyone who reads the link list forum regularly would know about the whois issue.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

There are a lot of policies that aren't stated in "the rules".

Well that is called Cheating. Any webmaster who does not list a site for reasons he does not state in his rules is a linkback thief. No honest webmaster wants to be listed on any website like that.

And as to actually having it as a rule, the reason for whois protect is to prevent spam and direct mailing. Anyone who actively works against whois protect, is at best encouraging spammers, and at worst a spammer himself. Any webmaster who submits to a LL or TGP that he believes has this rule is a fool, because you are sending your email address to someone you know is likely to sell it. And as your 'submit' email address cannot really use any spam filtering (because many 'confirm' emails contain words that will triggers spam filters) you most definitely don't want that to happen.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Neither have I, yet I know it to be true. There are a lot of policies that aren't stated in "the rules". Anyone who reads the link list forum regularly would know about the whois issue.

I do now have it posted on my rules page, but this has been discussed so many times...anyone who's on top of the free sites game should know about it. Also, I notify people when it's an issue...so it's not like this is some 'secret' reason to decline sites.

Ecchi...sometimes your cluelessness is truly amazing

[Beaver Bob]

cockhungry hoes - 10GB should be fine for your first month of submitting. It will go up pretty quick tho, but you will be making sales to compensate.

[Greenguy]

I'm not a big fan of protected whois info, because that makes me believe that you have something to hide & that you're not a legitimate business.

I am also the furthest thing from a spammer that you will find & I'm offended that ecchi tied those 2 things together.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I am also the furthest thing from a spammer that you will find & I'm offended that ecchi tied those 2 things together.

Sorry I offended you.

I should also point out in case anyone who does not know G. has read my post and his reply and is putting 2 and 2 together to make 5: I have had free sites listed on his link list that are whois protected so you should not assume I am inferring anything about his site.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm not a big fan of protected whois info, because that makes me believe that you have something to hide & that you're not a legitimate business.

When I have voiced this opinion privately (i.e. not on an open board) the answer most people give is along the lines of "Why don't you just give false info when registering a domain, like I do?", so by the law of averages I would say that people who don't use whois protection are more likely to be 'untrustworthy' than those who do. (And before I offend anyone else I had better point out that I do NOT mean that everyone who does not use whois protect is dishonest).

Originally Posted by Preacher

always has a line that says something to the equivalent of, 'your page is listed at my discretion'

What this usually means is 'So don't try to be clever and get round my rules on a technicality' Also, although some have this rule, "Always" is an exaggeration.

Originally Posted by Preacher

and most go further and say they may just not list a site if it is unattractive or they are in a bad mood.

Well, one or two say this, not most. The 'unattractive' part is a rule like any other rule, they are saying 'your sites must look good' so fair enough, that is their rule. The 'bad mood' part I have only seen a few times. Once on a site that listed everything I submitted, so presumably this was a joke, and all the other sites that said it (or something similar) sent so little traffic when they did list that I now take it to mean "I'm a newbie, don't bother to submit unless you have a lot of time on your hands"

Originally Posted by Preacher

I can gaurentee you that my submission email address has never received any SPAM whatsoever.

Then you are either the luckiest webmaster on the planet or only submit to sites that were recommended by someone you knew.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You know what, ecchi - fuck you. ........ Piss in your tea.

Now take a look at Preacher's, MrYum's, and Greenie's post and compare and contrast it with yours. What they are using is called 'reasoned argument'. They have not convinced me of their point, and I don't expect I have managed to convince them of mine. But at least we all tried. But a post like "fuck you......Piss in your tea" is an insult to everyone who visits this board, you are not just insulting me you are urinating in their playground as well. If you want to swear at me, feel free to PM me, I do read all PM's. It is just as effective (or ineffective) as posting on the board, but that way 'innocent parties' don't have to read it.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by ecchi

that way 'innocent parties' don't have to read it.

careful UW you might corrupt us or something

sorry, I shouldn't get involved but I couldn't resist...I'm baaaad

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Now take a look at Preacher's, MrYum's, and Greenie's post and compare and contrast it with yours. What they are using is called 'reasoned argument'. They have not convinced me of their point, and I don't expect I have managed to convince them of mine. But at least we all tried. But a post like "fuck you......Piss in your tea" is an insult to everyone who visits this board, you are not just insulting me you are urinating in their playground as well. If you want to swear at me, feel free to PM me, I do read all PM's. It is just as effective (or ineffective) as posting on the board, but that way 'innocent parties' don't have to read it.

Fuck you - go piss in your tea.

You aren't new here. If you've read my posts and found my manner expression in poor taste in the past, then you could have said something then. But no - it's only wrong when I say it to you. And how anyone else on this board would take it as an insult towards them is beyond my scope of comprehension. I did, after all, say "You know what, ecchi - fuck you."

EDIT: Oh! Top sig placement on page 2.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

And how anyone else on this board would take it as an insult towards them is beyond my scope of comprehension.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear enough about why I objected to your post, both you and a couple of other people seemed to have misunderstood what I meant:

I was NOT saying that I felt personally offended by your post, or by being told to 'piss in my tea'. You are entitled to your opinion, and I have a worse said to me. The point I was making was that just posting comments like that rather than making a point is beneath this board. I would not have objected if you had said something like "Ecchi you are (insert favourite insult here) because when you say......you do not realise that....". Just posting "You know what, ecchi - fuck you. I'm not in the mood to argue. I'm right. You're wrong. Piss in your tea." is the sort of response you see on some boards, but not usually here. The reason I said it was "an insult to everyone who visits this board" was not because they may be offended that you used these words, but because this ain't that kind of board.

Originally Posted by Preacher

From Greenie's rules page: "27. If we just plain do not like the site (this happens when I'm in a bad mood)" I guess the green part of his refers to him being new at this whole linklist thingy.

Read my original post through again.

Originally Posted by Preacher

By that logic, where the Hell will we get our News from now....foxnews.com Fox News Network, LLC

You are listing Fox News as a good source of news???? Please tell me you are joking!

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Just posting "You know what, ecchi - fuck you. I'm not in the mood to argue. I'm right. You're wrong. Piss in your tea." is the sort of response you see on some boards, but not usually here. The reason I said it was "an insult to everyone who visits this board" was not because they may be offended that you used these words, but because this ain't that kind of board.

I'm going to ask cd34 to check VBulletin for bugs. No way can you have 767 posts here and be surprised that I would respond that way.

Take note that I wasn't at all offended or insulted by:

Originally Posted by ecchi

Well that is called Cheating. Any webmaster who does not list a site for reasons he does not state in his rules is a linkback thief.

or

Originally Posted by ecchi

Anyone who actively works against whois protect, is at best encouraging spammers, and at worst a spammer himself.

or

Originally Posted by ecchi

Any webmaster who submits to a LL or TGP that he believes has this rule is a fool.

or

Originally Posted by ecchi

you are sending your email address to someone you know is likely to sell it.

I'm still not in the mood to argue the original point though. I'm shocked that you didn't realize that that is pretty much a general policy amongst mature link lists, but I don't give two (or even one) shit(s) whether or not you agree with it.