Recurring or PPM

Mike-mijen · 2009-08-06, 06:32 PM

Just wondering. Do you prefer recurring or pay per member? Just trying to get a better feel of what to go after with my sponsors. Thanks

bDok · 2009-08-06, 07:01 PM

depends on the sponsor. For a lot of sponsors I try the rev share if the stuff looks like they update frequently. Some you have no choice so that makes it easy. If the rev share doesn't work out though after while better than there pps options.. that is money earned per member than I switch to PPS.

Let the money earned per members and $/click be your guide.

Greenguy · 2009-08-06, 10:25 PM

My choice goes in this order:
PPS Trial
Revshare No Trial
PPS No Trial
Revshare Trial

NY Jester · 2009-08-06, 10:42 PM

^^

What Greenie said.

Jeremy · 2009-08-06, 10:43 PM

A mix of both.

The trouble with revshare is that you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. Most of my revshare sponsors are averaging about $35 / sign-up - so it all kind of evens out.

I find the revshare sponsors who have high $ / sign-up values also happen to be the ones for whom it takes a lot of traffic to generate sales.

flip.green · 2009-08-07, 01:22 AM

Mix it up revshare sponsors you have to keep a close eye on but the recurring is a life saver during rough times.

PPS is great immediate income but when things go sour you may be left scrambling.

Pros and cons to each just keep a good mix, think of the different sponsor payout schemes as investments in a portfolio. It's always good to diversify,

Useless · 2009-08-07, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by flip.green

Mix it up revshare sponsors you have to keep a close eye on but the recurring is a life saver during rough times

If it wasn't for a few good recurring sponsors over the last several months, I'd be screwed.

Wazza · 2009-08-07, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If it wasn't for a few good recurring sponsors over the last several months, I'd be screwed.

I concur

bluemoney · 2009-08-07, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If it wasn't for a few good recurring sponsors over the last several months, I'd be screwed.

Me too

Greenguy · 2009-08-07, 07:25 AM

Oddly enough, I agree with that as well

Mike-mijen · 2009-08-07, 11:05 AM

Well it looks like recurring is for these times we are in right now

HowlingWulf · 2009-08-07, 11:35 AM

Depends on the site, but it seems there's very few revshare sites that can beat the $35 PPS.

My lifetime highest revshare avg: $47.77 per member. Lowest: $17.35. Lots in the 20s. I'd lean to PPS nowadays.

furiousmale · 2009-08-07, 02:59 PM

It all depends on the sponsor, the backend of the sites, my current traffic flow and type etc.

I am running 70% PPS and 30% Revshare right now. I would love to add more revshare but its tough to trust how long a company will be around in this climate.

smutguy · 2009-08-07, 06:02 PM

revshare
however with the economy the way it is i might start testing pps

ecchi · 2009-08-08, 05:16 AM

It depends how you promote them. If you lead the surfer to expect more than they get, you are wasting your time on recurring, but if you are more honest, recurring beats PPS.

Note that this also applies to the site's tour. If it appears to offer too much the surfer will not stay, in which case either choose a different sponsor or go PPS (eg "over a million photos, 100,000 videos" usually means that about 10% will be on the genre the site advertises, the other 90% are from access to the company's other sites, and how many people who signed up for "skinny teens" will be happy with "BBW MILF" material? Also the surfer will see "over 100,000 videos" as meaning 100,000 full length features, when they find that they are mostly only a few minutes long, they leave).

So basically what I do is pick my sponsors carefully, write my ads carefully, and go for recurring. Except in the case of sites that offer a good payout for "Free" memberships, those I go PPS since they are easy to sell, but I know most surfers will fuck off as soon as they realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch!

hashbury · 2009-08-08, 09:07 AM

I base all my bis on recurring, if a sponsor dosent rebill good i move on. There are so many sponsors right now its easy to find a handful of ones that rebill well. I just stick with them.

Mike-mijen · 2009-08-08, 10:32 AM

If I am hearing this right. And it makes since. A well establish sponsor would be safe to have recurring sales. Not so establish run with PPS. That make good sense to me. this is where Greenie's stats will come in handy.

ecchi · 2009-08-09, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike-mijen

If I am hearing this right. And it makes since. A well establish sponsor would be safe to have recurring sales. Not so establish run with PPS. That make good sense to me. this is where Greenie's stats will come in handy.

Yes and no. Replace "well establish sponsor" with "good sponsor" and "Not so establish" with "bad sponsor" and you have it. Just because a sponsor is well established does not mean that they have good retention. Similarly, new sponsors can be competent enough to retain customers long term. The only way to tell the difference is trial and error. Put up their recurring link code and watch your stats. If the average customer retention is good keep them like that, if not start using PPS and also start using a different sponsor. When you have enough sponsors who make more for you via recurring that the PPS ones do, drop the PPS.

There are a lot of good sponsors, and a good recurring will make you more in the long run than PPS. If you have enough good recurring sponsors on your books, there are only three reasons to use PPS:

1. If they are kick ass converters (e.g. you make less than half as much per sale, but you get over three times as many sales). The only sites of this type that I am aware of are the "free membership" sites.

2. If they sell something that is not in conflict with your main business, so acts as extra sales (penis enlargement, Viagra, electronic cigarettes, porn eBooks, etc...).

3. You know you have a lot of bills about to hit, so you want a lot of money next month and are prepared to loose out long term so that you can make next month's electricity/card/whatever bills.

ecchi · 2009-08-09, 05:57 AM

Re-reading my above post I just realised I am taking the long winded way of stating the bleeding obvious. The answer to your original question (and all questions about what type of sponsor to use) is simply:

Try them out and watch your stats. If you make more money from one sponsor/method than another sponsor/method , keep them and drop the other sponsor/method. If you make less money from the new sponsor/method, drop them and keep the original sponsor/method. Repeat until you have a kick ass selection of sponsors/methods, then sit back and become a multi millionaire!

Allfetish · 2009-08-09, 05:10 PM

All I will say is that for the last six months there have been many affiliates living mainly on revshare.

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2009-08-06, 06:32 PM	#1
Mike-mijen What do you mean, my birth certificate expired? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fla Posts: 995	Recurring or PPM Just wondering. Do you prefer recurring or pay per member? Just trying to get a better feel of what to go after with my sponsors. Thanks

2009-08-06, 07:01 PM	#2
bDok bang bang Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SD/OC/LA Posts: 3,241	depends on the sponsor. For a lot of sponsors I try the rev share if the stuff looks like they update frequently. Some you have no choice so that makes it easy. If the rev share doesn't work out though after while better than there pps options.. that is money earned per member than I switch to PPS. Let the money earned per members and $/click be your guide. __________________ submit to Nymphotic submit to Moistlace

2009-08-06, 10:25 PM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	My choice goes in this order: PPS Trial Revshare No Trial PPS No Trial Revshare Trial __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2009-08-06, 10:42 PM	#4
NY Jester ICQ:147079406 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RockMEHardplace Posts: 2,996	^^ What Greenie said. __________________ The Sexy Side of Porn

2009-08-06, 10:43 PM	#5
Jeremy Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: AU Posts: 406	A mix of both. The trouble with revshare is that you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. Most of my revshare sponsors are averaging about $35 / sign-up - so it all kind of evens out. I find the revshare sponsors who have high $ / sign-up values also happen to be the ones for whom it takes a lot of traffic to generate sales. __________________ XXX Porno Hardcore

2009-08-07, 01:22 AM	#6
flip.green WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 43	Mix it up revshare sponsors you have to keep a close eye on but the recurring is a life saver during rough times. PPS is great immediate income but when things go sour you may be left scrambling. Pros and cons to each just keep a good mix, think of the different sponsor payout schemes as investments in a portfolio. It's always good to diversify, __________________ ICQ# 585156759

2009-08-07, 07:25 AM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Oddly enough, I agree with that as well __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2009-08-07, 11:05 AM	#11
Mike-mijen What do you mean, my birth certificate expired? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fla Posts: 995	Well it looks like recurring is for these times we are in right now

2009-08-07, 11:35 AM	#12
HowlingWulf Me fail English? That's unpossible! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,381	Depends on the site, but it seems there's very few revshare sites that can beat the $35 PPS. My lifetime highest revshare avg: $47.77 per member. Lowest: $17.35. Lots in the 20s. I'd lean to PPS nowadays. __________________ WordPress Porn directory theme => Maddos Create a Porn Tube => Video Pornster

2009-08-07, 02:59 PM	#13
furiousmale If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 30	It all depends on the sponsor, the backend of the sites, my current traffic flow and type etc. I am running 70% PPS and 30% Revshare right now. I would love to add more revshare but its tough to trust how long a company will be around in this climate. __________________ ShaneG*CreativeCoin.com

2009-08-07, 06:02 PM	#14
smutguy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 662	revshare however with the economy the way it is i might start testing pps __________________ Hushmoney V2 now powered by Nats

2009-08-08, 05:16 AM	#15
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	It depends how you promote them. If you lead the surfer to expect more than they get, you are wasting your time on recurring, but if you are more honest, recurring beats PPS. Note that this also applies to the site's tour. If it appears to offer too much the surfer will not stay, in which case either choose a different sponsor or go PPS (eg "over a million photos, 100,000 videos" usually means that about 10% will be on the genre the site advertises, the other 90% are from access to the company's other sites, and how many people who signed up for "skinny teens" will be happy with "BBW MILF" material? Also the surfer will see "over 100,000 videos" as meaning 100,000 full length features, when they find that they are mostly only a few minutes long, they leave). So basically what I do is pick my sponsors carefully, write my ads carefully, and go for recurring. Except in the case of sites that offer a good payout for "Free" memberships, those I go PPS since they are easy to sell, but I know most surfers will fuck off as soon as they realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch!

2009-08-08, 09:07 AM	#16
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	I base all my bis on recurring, if a sponsor dosent rebill good i move on. There are so many sponsors right now its easy to find a handful of ones that rebill well. I just stick with them. __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2009-08-08, 10:32 AM	#17
Mike-mijen What do you mean, my birth certificate expired? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Fla Posts: 995	If I am hearing this right. And it makes since. A well establish sponsor would be safe to have recurring sales. Not so establish run with PPS. That make good sense to me. this is where Greenie's stats will come in handy.

2009-08-09, 05:57 AM	#19
ecchi Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: About to be evicted!!!! Posts: 4,082	Re-reading my above post I just realised I am taking the long winded way of stating the bleeding obvious. The answer to your original question (and all questions about what type of sponsor to use) is simply: Try them out and watch your stats. If you make more money from one sponsor/method than another sponsor/method , keep them and drop the other sponsor/method. If you make less money from the new sponsor/method, drop them and keep the original sponsor/method. Repeat until you have a kick ass selection of sponsors/methods, then sit back and become a multi millionaire!

2009-08-09, 05:10 PM	#20
Allfetish If you really need money, you can sell your kidney or even your car Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	All I will say is that for the last six months there have been many affiliates living mainly on revshare.