3rd time lucky ... checking first

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 10:58 AM

Thanks to Cleo for rejecting my first free site twice so far - it's helping me develop a clean format that I will be able to adopt as a standard going forward.

Rather than strike out three times, I thought I'd ask here first about the (hopefully) final change.

I previously had thumbs linked to a cgi script - purely as an easy way to show the pictures centred in a page with a backlink. I can see how LLs might not like that though, so I'll change it.

Question is: is it ok to have the thumbs linked to a page which shows the full-size picture, or must they only link to the image file itself ? If the link to page is ok, are there then guidelines as to what else can/should go on that page? I only envisaged a javascript backlink and a small copyright footer with text link - could I put ads, banners, etc there?

Thanks

Cleo · 2003-10-05, 11:08 AM

Many places do not allow pics on html, some do, my link list does with one small ad.

I only kind of remember your site. You may want to post the URL of it so that you can get some feedback on it.

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 11:23 AM

Thanks Cleo - it just seemed kinda obvious to me that if the pic links have to open in the same window, then things like centering and some basic navigation were much better than the pic sitting all alone in the corner of a big white window. But hey - what do I know? (A: very little about this business so far, but I'll learn).

The free site in question is:

Bored Housewives

I appreciate any feedback given.

Cleo · 2003-10-05, 11:41 AM

I would remove the really annoying blinking click here image. It isn't going to help with clicks, but it is going to annoying everyone so much that they are going to close the window.

The reason that pics on HTML are not allowed at many places is because it is too easy for webmasters to cheat and too much work for the reviewers. I am very seriously considering changing my rules to ban them as well.

The site is not bad.

RawAlex · 2003-10-05, 12:10 PM

The images are nice, the parts of the site are okay, but a couple of things stand out (IMHO, of course!):

The title of the site isn't clear... "Exposed - Bored Housewives Caught in the Act" I am assuming is the title of this site, but it is some of the smallest major text on the index page. It also doesn't appear anywhere else on the site, so I have no idea that the other pages (such as the mail.html page or the galleries).

Also, the colors and design of the site are not consistant. The design of the gallery pages is in no way related to the index.html page. The galleries I guess are the fixed part (sponsor design), I would attempt to at least use the same colors and basic design through the entire site.

I also think you missed a good chance on your main page to do a sales job. All of that unlinked text on your index.html page might do a better job linked and on the main page, rather than sitting unlinked on the index.html page. It is a good piece of text!

Hope this helps you out a bit.

Alex

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 12:11 PM

Understood ...

Done ... and done

Flashing buttons gone, links go to pics only.

Will resubmit.

Thanks

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 12:24 PM

Alex - was typing while you were ...

Colors - understand and can fix. Too many disparate influences while doing this, time to tie them all together.

I don't follow what you mean re linking text and where it should be (index/main).

Firstly - linked to what? Do you mean linked into main.shtml or linked to sponsors? It's the way it is 'cos a) I thought the only entrance to the site should be beside/after the warning/consent and b) I thought I was limited to the number of sponsor links allowed on these pages.

Secondly - why would I move some/all to main.shtml? My thinking was that surfer arrives at index.shtml and text there has to motivate them into the site or to sponsor. By the time they get to main, I was assuming they would really want to get to the galleries. The price they pay for that is the FPA on the way to and fro - how do you think extra text there would influence them?

Thanks for taking the time to feedback - it ALL helps!

Cleo · 2003-10-05, 01:51 PM

I would kill this banner
http://www.pinkamateurs.com/amateur-home-videos.jpg
Leave the text there unlinked.

Then link the next block of text along with the banner that is there and add some text that says "Click Here to take the tour of Wives Exposed"

Completely remove this banner and ad,
http://www.pinkamateurs.com/free-acc...porn-box-1.gif
especially since I just noticed it says "Enter Here" which is going to get you declined for having two enter links.

With that other block of text linked it this ad is no longer needed and with the Enter Link being clear you will get better listings.

RawAlex · 2003-10-05, 02:08 PM

Cleo, that is as good an answer!

Crazyguy: it is just that you have a really great hunk of text, a really nice sales pitch, and nothing that connects it directly to the sponsor. yes, you have links to that sponsor on other places on the page, but you don't have anything where the text is.

Cleo's answer is just as good - tighten it down a little and link the square banner.

Because you are allowed at least a couple of sponsor links on each page, you might want to add something on the main page. My original idea was to move the text from the index page and put it on the main page instead... but Cleo's has as good idea for that text. So you might want to add an extra banner or text link below your gallery links to add some "flavor" on that page. :-)

Alex

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 03:45 PM

Hey - this is turning into one of those tutorial type thingies. Maybe it should be moved to the newbies forum.

As well as being immensely useful to me right now, hopefully it will help others later ...

... so latest version is online.

I've tried to tie in the same colors across the site now, and have used more common headers.

The index page is restructured as suggested. First text block is unlinked, all of next text block + the graphic and caption are linked to sponsor, with some visual clues in the text.

The "second" "enter here" actually went to the sponsor not into the free site, but there's no point confusing reviewers so it's gone, with the side benefit that the entry to the sites is now moved up to be alongside the warning rather than below it.

I've added some sponsor-linked text to main, below the gallery links - taking advantage of a new interpretation I just noticed of "bored housewives" LOL. At least I amuse myself ...

How are we doing now? Getting close?

RawAlex · 2003-10-05, 04:07 PM

I like it... now all you need is a linkback to findpics.com on there and you'll be PERFECT in my opinion... :-)

Alex

Cleo · 2003-10-05, 04:18 PM

Looks good to me.

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-05, 05:06 PM

Thanks folks - glad I asked first now.

Cleo - I've re-submitted

ALex - I've used your "5 site" submission. Got a "Unable to process this request, checksum failure 0002" error repeatedly at first, but starting over with a fresh form fixed it. and repeatedly got:

RawAlex · 2003-10-05, 10:40 PM

yeah, the forms are all numbers (non sequential) and tracked, so storing a form (cached copy even) can cause errors, as you far too far out of sequence.

Keep the bot builders busy.

Alex

DangerDave · 2003-10-05, 10:58 PM

CrazyGuy,

The ad here - http://www.pinkamateurs.com/bored-housewives/main.shtml - counts as an FPA for me..

also your galleries scroll sideways at 800x 600

Yep I am being harsh, but you asked...

Those too things plus well used sponsor content.. would get you declined.. you havent been yet it is still in my admin.

DD

RawAlex · 2003-10-05, 11:54 PM

Oh, and putting me on a page by myself:

http://www.pinkamateurs.com/bored-housewives/index.html

is a decline right away. Traffic trade, not traffic donation! :-)

Alex

CrazyGuy · 2003-10-07, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
Oh, and putting me on a page by myself ... is a decline right away. Traffic trade, not traffic donation! :-)

Ok ALex - I was treating those as 5 separate links to 5 separate sites. FindPics sends me traffic, I send AllPornLinks traffic etc.

While we're on the subject, we might as well hammer this out right now ...

In every other area of online marketing I'm involved in (I should say I make a successful living as a full-time affiliate but the adult sector is relatively new and small for me at the moment) I would be delighted to be the only outgoing link on someone else's page, yet in this arena, the opposite is embodied in LL rules - everybody only seems to want to be on a page with several other outgoing links.

This flies in the face of everything I thought I knew about SEO so I'd be grateful if you guys would clarify what the thinking is behind this.

Ever eager to learn ...

DangerDave - thanks ... good catch on the sidescroll. I'll test at 800x600 from now on. I'm redesigning with smaller ads to replace the is it/isn't it FPA. Re sponsor content, I hear ya ... I'll be buying content once I am in a position to turn it into a profit. Doesn't look like I'm quite there yet LOL

RawAlex · 2003-10-08, 12:30 PM

CG: The problem is this: I can do those trades myself. I already cross link my own link sites. You can choose to submit to the FIndpics single submit if you like, and get listed on findpics. I just don't my stuff to be lonely... :-)

Some SEOs have suggested that links to "information centers" that are authorities on your subject can sometimes influence your google PR and such. This is not confirmed, but I am seeing sites with NO return links doing much more poorly, no matter how many sites link to them. Not sure why.

Alex

2003-10-05, 10:58 AM	#1
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	3rd time lucky ... checking first Thanks to Cleo for rejecting my first free site twice so far - it's helping me develop a clean format that I will be able to adopt as a standard going forward. Rather than strike out three times, I thought I'd ask here first about the (hopefully) final change. I previously had thumbs linked to a cgi script - purely as an easy way to show the pictures centred in a page with a backlink. I can see how LLs might not like that though, so I'll change it. Question is: is it ok to have the thumbs linked to a page which shows the full-size picture, or must they only link to the image file itself ? If the link to page is ok, are there then guidelines as to what else can/should go on that page? I only envisaged a javascript backlink and a small copyright footer with text link - could I put ads, banners, etc there? Thanks

2003-10-05, 11:08 AM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Many places do not allow pics on html, some do, my link list does with one small ad. I only kind of remember your site. You may want to post the URL of it so that you can get some feedback on it. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-05, 11:41 AM	#4
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I would remove the really annoying blinking click here image. It isn't going to help with clicks, but it is going to annoying everyone so much that they are going to close the window. The reason that pics on HTML are not allowed at many places is because it is too easy for webmasters to cheat and too much work for the reviewers. I am very seriously considering changing my rules to ban them as well. The site is not bad. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-05, 01:51 PM	#8
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I would kill this banner http://www.pinkamateurs.com/amateur-home-videos.jpg Leave the text there unlinked. Then link the next block of text along with the banner that is there and add some text that says "Click Here to take the tour of Wives Exposed" Completely remove this banner and ad, http://www.pinkamateurs.com/free-acc...porn-box-1.gif especially since I just noticed it says "Enter Here" which is going to get you declined for having two enter links. With that other block of text linked it this ad is no longer needed and with the Enter Link being clear you will get better listings. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-05, 04:18 PM	#12
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Looks good to me. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2003-10-05, 11:23 AM	#3
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	Thanks Cleo - it just seemed kinda obvious to me that if the pic links have to open in the same window, then things like centering and some basic navigation were much better than the pic sitting all alone in the corner of a big white window. But hey - what do I know? (A: very little about this business so far, but I'll learn). The free site in question is: Bored Housewives I appreciate any feedback given.

2003-10-05, 12:10 PM	#5
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	The images are nice, the parts of the site are okay, but a couple of things stand out (IMHO, of course!): The title of the site isn't clear... "Exposed - Bored Housewives Caught in the Act" I am assuming is the title of this site, but it is some of the smallest major text on the index page. It also doesn't appear anywhere else on the site, so I have no idea that the other pages (such as the mail.html page or the galleries). Also, the colors and design of the site are not consistant. The design of the gallery pages is in no way related to the index.html page. The galleries I guess are the fixed part (sponsor design), I would attempt to at least use the same colors and basic design through the entire site. I also think you missed a good chance on your main page to do a sales job. All of that unlinked text on your index.html page might do a better job linked and on the main page, rather than sitting unlinked on the index.html page. It is a good piece of text! Hope this helps you out a bit. Alex

2003-10-05, 12:11 PM	#6
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	Understood ... Done ... and done Flashing buttons gone, links go to pics only. Will resubmit. Thanks

2003-10-05, 12:24 PM	#7
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	Alex - was typing while you were ... Colors - understand and can fix. Too many disparate influences while doing this, time to tie them all together. I don't follow what you mean re linking text and where it should be (index/main). Firstly - linked to what? Do you mean linked into main.shtml or linked to sponsors? It's the way it is 'cos a) I thought the only entrance to the site should be beside/after the warning/consent and b) I thought I was limited to the number of sponsor links allowed on these pages. Secondly - why would I move some/all to main.shtml? My thinking was that surfer arrives at index.shtml and text there has to motivate them into the site or to sponsor. By the time they get to main, I was assuming they would really want to get to the galleries. The price they pay for that is the FPA on the way to and fro - how do you think extra text there would influence them? Thanks for taking the time to feedback - it ALL helps!

2003-10-05, 02:08 PM	#9
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Cleo, that is as good an answer! Crazyguy: it is just that you have a really great hunk of text, a really nice sales pitch, and nothing that connects it directly to the sponsor. yes, you have links to that sponsor on other places on the page, but you don't have anything where the text is. Cleo's answer is just as good - tighten it down a little and link the square banner. Because you are allowed at least a couple of sponsor links on each page, you might want to add something on the main page. My original idea was to move the text from the index page and put it on the main page instead... but Cleo's has as good idea for that text. So you might want to add an extra banner or text link below your gallery links to add some "flavor" on that page. :-) Alex

2003-10-05, 03:45 PM	#10
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	Hey - this is turning into one of those tutorial type thingies. Maybe it should be moved to the newbies forum. As well as being immensely useful to me right now, hopefully it will help others later ... ... so latest version is online. I've tried to tie in the same colors across the site now, and have used more common headers. The index page is restructured as suggested. First text block is unlinked, all of next text block + the graphic and caption are linked to sponsor, with some visual clues in the text. The "second" "enter here" actually went to the sponsor not into the free site, but there's no point confusing reviewers so it's gone, with the side benefit that the entry to the sites is now moved up to be alongside the warning rather than below it. I've added some sponsor-linked text to main, below the gallery links - taking advantage of a new interpretation I just noticed of "bored housewives" LOL. At least I amuse myself ... How are we doing now? Getting close?

2003-10-05, 04:07 PM	#11
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	I like it... now all you need is a linkback to findpics.com on there and you'll be PERFECT in my opinion... :-) Alex

2003-10-05, 05:06 PM	#13
CrazyGuy Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 21	Thanks folks - glad I asked first now. Cleo - I've re-submitted ALex - I've used your "5 site" submission. Got a "Unable to process this request, checksum failure 0002" error repeatedly at first, but starting over with a fresh form fixed it. and repeatedly got: Last edited by CrazyGuy; 2003-10-05 at 05:09 PM..

2003-10-05, 10:40 PM	#14
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	yeah, the forms are all numbers (non sequential) and tracked, so storing a form (cached copy even) can cause errors, as you far too far out of sequence. Keep the bot builders busy. Alex

2003-10-05, 10:58 PM	#15
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	CrazyGuy, The ad here - http://www.pinkamateurs.com/bored-housewives/main.shtml - counts as an FPA for me.. also your galleries scroll sideways at 800x 600 Yep I am being harsh, but you asked... Those too things plus well used sponsor content.. would get you declined.. you havent been yet it is still in my admin. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-10-05, 11:54 PM	#16
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Oh, and putting me on a page by myself: http://www.pinkamateurs.com/bored-housewives/index.html is a decline right away. Traffic trade, not traffic donation! :-) Alex

2003-10-08, 12:30 PM	#18
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	CG: The problem is this: I can do those trades myself. I already cross link my own link sites. You can choose to submit to the FIndpics single submit if you like, and get listed on findpics. I just don't my stuff to be lonely... :-) Some SEOs have suggested that links to "information centers" that are authorities on your subject can sometimes influence your google PR and such. This is not confirmed, but I am seeing sites with NO return links doing much more poorly, no matter how many sites link to them. Not sure why. Alex