Something odd...

Tino · 2003-10-22, 10:55 PM

I was going trough my linksites links and found something that I found a bit odd. Im not saying that this guy is cheating me, just want to know whats going on.

this link:
http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ehiddencamera/

When I do a cache search on google- it shows me a cache of another doorway page. Now I dont have any problems with doorways, but why is it showing another site? Is he somehow asking googlebot to redirect to another site? So it wont spider the page with my link.

Bill · 2003-10-22, 11:43 PM

That is odd. But I don't think it's from some sort of cloaking.

I've seen stuff like this before in the google cache function, I'm more inclined to think of it as a google error.

DangerDave · 2003-10-23, 12:00 AM

It is not that odd.. IMO

and demostrates beautifully the uselessnes of mirror entrances, which I crap on about from time to time.

You will find that this page

http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...omen/hardcore/

and this page

http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ehiddencamera/

are almost EXACTLY the same.. right down to the stupid hidden text BS. Google has decided which page it thinks is the "real" entrance and credited it to this page..

http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...omen/hardcore/

Why ? because the sites are exactly the fukin same..

http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ore/enter.html
http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...era/enter.html

Duplicate content will get you penalised

Word of warning to Link List webmasters... be aware of what you submitters are doing..

I know longer list sites that have/use bad SE tricks and BS in them.. eg the site above with the hidden text.. and lets not forget about his "doorways" - http://latin-sex-pictures.net/mylinks.html + http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latin_girl.html This sort of stuff will get him punished by Google.. not just penalised.. and if you have lots of links to this person.. you too may be tarred with the same brush.

DD

Tino · 2003-10-23, 12:19 AM

Well- I cant really complain about doorway pages. Ive made a few of those myself in my days.

I didnt even see notice the hidden text though. I dont do that.

DD- what do you sugest for free-site makers? A ton of recips? Limit yourself to submitting to 6 grand link list? Thats not very cool for us small link-list owners. Or make unique doorways that link to unique gallerys for every 6 linksite? Thats a LOT of work and a lot of HD space, since you would have to make duplicate folders of each set of pics(not a big prob I guess).

amadman · 2003-10-23, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tino

DD- what do you sugest for free-site makers? A ton of recips? Limit yourself to submitting to 6 grand link list? Thats not very cool for us small link-list owners. Or make unique doorways that link to unique gallerys for every 6 linksite? Thats a LOT of work and a lot of HD space, since you would have to make duplicate folders of each set of pics(not a big prob I guess).

I would really like to know peoples thoughs on this as well.
What would be the 'best' solution?

DangerDave · 2003-10-23, 02:18 AM

I said most of what I think you should do.. here...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=doorways

5 posts from the bottom.

DD

amadman · 2003-10-23, 02:38 PM

Thanks DD. Great post.

I have actually been setting up recip tables to start submitting to a bunch of LL's.

Guess I am going to have to give up on that idea and do a little reading.

docholly · 2003-10-24, 08:42 AM

This should probably be re-directed to the newbie board but since my confusion has stemmed from this post here goes:

From what was posted on this thread and from the GREAT post on the one DD did last month..
and this refers to FS only not LL or hubs etc..

ok i build a freesite *these are fake sites*
index
main
gallery1
gallery2

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Teenangel/

has 9 webmaster receipts..

next using the exact same content

but only switch the index page so it says..

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/

but once the entrance is clicked thru it still uses the original main/gallery1/gallery2 so the only thing that is changing is the index page for purposes of receipts..

OR..

is it more beneficial to make each a stand alone.. where it would be

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/main.html

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/gallery1.html
http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/gallery2.html

rather than...

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/

http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Teenangel/main.html

*************
the Latina site stated above used the "same folder" method.. as opposed to the 1 folder, different index pages method.

*Looking for that *i'm sooo confused* button*...

before making my receipt tables as well i went thru each site and read the rules and only one states implicitly that all pages had to be in the same folder.. most all say on the same domain.. which is 100% understood..

so i guess my real questions are:

1) How relevant to getting listed v SE food are the above scenerios?

2) Is the one place that said all the same folder simply stating what should be obvious or just being picky for their own 'spider' results?

3) have i completely misread this entire thread on my 1/2 cup of coffee and really need to wait a few hours and re-read it???

don't you just LOVE us?????

Thanks for the GREAT info.. even if it did leave me confused..

matt · 2003-10-24, 09:49 AM

Hey Doc,

IMO the first option is a much better one, because it'll provide more incoming links for your main page, which can also get indexed, and that'll provide greater link popularity for your gallery pages...

I know this is small scale and not a massive link pop campaign, but every little bit counts if you're going for not too competetive terms.

DD has a point with having duplicate pages, but I think everyone should remember linklists will also send some traffic (they're not just pr machines), so a few doorways will help you out in the beginning!

And if you think duplicate pages are such an issue, make one page your "index" that you want to get indexed by the se's and put your recips at the top of the other "doorway" pages, because IMO it's the stuff at the top that counts and you'll have different code at the top of each that way

I'm not expert, but I think google has kind of gotten over the duplicate content deal... Yeah it'll only index one of the pages, but I don't think you'll be penalised. (this opinion is not really based on anything really... Just seems that way to me!)

HTH, looking forward to the disagreements

Matt

BTW, with regards to the content in the same folder, I think that's just because!

ChristyB · 2003-10-25, 09:15 PM

I agree with DD, but I also think that's more relevant to sites which are larger than a standard 4/5 page free site & although the principles remain the same there are a few things to think about:

1/. The amount of 'content' on a free site index page is normally a lot less than a 'domain index' or a ll index page, therefore - if you use text links for your recips (and/or alt tags on your recip banner images) & you have 8-10 recips per index - you will be changing the content of your index page substantially...

2/. When you mirror pages & copy in recip tables you also have the opportunity to alter your entry page content (& metas) slightly - therefore increasing the potential keyword coverage for your site.
It's a little extra work for a whole extra set of possible number 1 listings...

3/. What Matt said: These recips are traded for traffic which is what you wanted in the first place & is always more immediate than se traffic & good volume... I wouldn't build a 'standard free site' simply for se traffic & although I could get a LOT of traffic from one set of recip's if I used the 'big lists' there are a lot of longer term / good quality traffic to be gained from smaller ll's.

4/. There are also many niche specific ll's, they can really help with se rankings (excellent link relevance) - unless you only build for one niche, or use a different set of recips for every free site or left out one of the 'bigger' recips each time - you would miss those.

I also agree that - for Doc - the 1st option is better - & your folder names could also be the 'changed' keywords you targetted when you altered that entry page (I'm not sure it helps overmuch but I think it will add a little relevance to the incoming links).

For ll's that insist all pages be within one folder you just have to decide whether they're worthy of being on your 'original index' - or forget 'em.

...sorry about the monster post

2003-10-22, 10:55 PM	#1
Tino Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 61	Something odd... I was going trough my linksites links and found something that I found a bit odd. Im not saying that this guy is cheating me, just want to know whats going on. this link: http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ehiddencamera/ When I do a cache search on google- it shows me a cache of another doorway page. Now I dont have any problems with doorways, but why is it showing another site? Is he somehow asking googlebot to redirect to another site? So it wont spider the page with my link. __________________ Neighbourhoodgirls

2003-10-23, 12:00 AM	#3
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	It is not that odd.. IMO and demostrates beautifully the uselessnes of mirror entrances, which I crap on about from time to time. You will find that this page http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...omen/hardcore/ and this page http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ehiddencamera/ are almost EXACTLY the same.. right down to the stupid hidden text BS. Google has decided which page it thinks is the "real" entrance and credited it to this page.. http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...omen/hardcore/ Why ? because the sites are exactly the fukin same.. http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...ore/enter.html http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latina...era/enter.html Duplicate content will get you penalised Word of warning to Link List webmasters... be aware of what you submitters are doing.. I know longer list sites that have/use bad SE tricks and BS in them.. eg the site above with the hidden text.. and lets not forget about his "doorways" - http://latin-sex-pictures.net/mylinks.html + http://latin-sex-pictures.net/latin_girl.html This sort of stuff will get him punished by Google.. not just penalised.. and if you have lots of links to this person.. you too may be tarred with the same brush. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-10-23, 12:19 AM	#4
Tino Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 61	Well- I cant really complain about doorway pages. Ive made a few of those myself in my days. I didnt even see notice the hidden text though. I dont do that. DD- what do you sugest for free-site makers? A ton of recips? Limit yourself to submitting to 6 grand link list? Thats not very cool for us small link-list owners. Or make unique doorways that link to unique gallerys for every 6 linksite? Thats a LOT of work and a lot of HD space, since you would have to make duplicate folders of each set of pics(not a big prob I guess). __________________ Neighbourhoodgirls

2003-10-23, 02:18 AM	#6
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	I said most of what I think you should do.. here... http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=doorways 5 posts from the bottom. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2003-10-24, 08:42 AM	#8
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	This should probably be re-directed to the newbie board but since my confusion has stemmed from this post here goes: From what was posted on this thread and from the GREAT post on the one DD did last month.. and this refers to FS only not LL or hubs etc.. ok i build a freesite these are fake sites index main gallery1 gallery2 http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Teenangel/ has 9 webmaster receipts.. next using the exact same content but only switch the index page so it says.. http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/ but once the entrance is clicked thru it still uses the original main/gallery1/gallery2 so the only thing that is changing is the index page for purposes of receipts.. OR.. is it more beneficial to make each a stand alone.. where it would be http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/ http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/main.html http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/gallery1.html http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/gallery2.html rather than... http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Angelteen/ http://www.myfreesite.com/fs1/Teenangel/main.html ************* the Latina site stated above used the "same folder" method.. as opposed to the 1 folder, different index pages method. Looking for that i'm sooo confused* button*... before making my receipt tables as well i went thru each site and read the rules and only one states implicitly that all pages had to be in the same folder.. most all say on the same domain.. which is 100% understood.. so i guess my real questions are: 1) How relevant to getting listed v SE food are the above scenerios? 2) Is the one place that said all the same folder simply stating what should be obvious or just being picky for their own 'spider' results? 3) have i completely misread this entire thread on my 1/2 cup of coffee and really need to wait a few hours and re-read it??? don't you just LOVE us????? Thanks for the GREAT info.. even if it did leave me confused.. __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!!

2003-10-22, 11:43 PM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	That is odd. But I don't think it's from some sort of cloaking. I've seen stuff like this before in the google cache function, I'm more inclined to think of it as a google error.

2003-10-23, 02:38 PM	#7
amadman I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been over the edge for yonks.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: padded room Posts: 861	Thanks DD. Great post. I have actually been setting up recip tables to start submitting to a bunch of LL's. Guess I am going to have to give up on that idea and do a little reading.

2003-10-24, 09:49 AM	#9
matt Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 123	Hey Doc, IMO the first option is a much better one, because it'll provide more incoming links for your main page, which can also get indexed, and that'll provide greater link popularity for your gallery pages... I know this is small scale and not a massive link pop campaign, but every little bit counts if you're going for not too competetive terms. DD has a point with having duplicate pages, but I think everyone should remember linklists will also send some traffic (they're not just pr machines), so a few doorways will help you out in the beginning! And if you think duplicate pages are such an issue, make one page your "index" that you want to get indexed by the se's and put your recips at the top of the other "doorway" pages, because IMO it's the stuff at the top that counts and you'll have different code at the top of each that way I'm not expert, but I think google has kind of gotten over the duplicate content deal... Yeah it'll only index one of the pages, but I don't think you'll be penalised. (this opinion is not really based on anything really... Just seems that way to me!) HTH, looking forward to the disagreements Matt BTW, with regards to the content in the same folder, I think that's just because! __________________ Link List Land - Linklist Creation, Design and Implementation.

2003-10-25, 09:15 PM	#10
ChristyB You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try' Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: South West UK Posts: 165	I agree with DD, but I also think that's more relevant to sites which are larger than a standard 4/5 page free site & although the principles remain the same there are a few things to think about: 1/. The amount of 'content' on a free site index page is normally a lot less than a 'domain index' or a ll index page, therefore - if you use text links for your recips (and/or alt tags on your recip banner images) & you have 8-10 recips per index - you will be changing the content of your index page substantially... 2/. When you mirror pages & copy in recip tables you also have the opportunity to alter your entry page content (& metas) slightly - therefore increasing the potential keyword coverage for your site. It's a little extra work for a whole extra set of possible number 1 listings... 3/. What Matt said: These recips are traded for traffic which is what you wanted in the first place & is always more immediate than se traffic & good volume... I wouldn't build a 'standard free site' simply for se traffic & although I could get a LOT of traffic from one set of recip's if I used the 'big lists' there are a lot of longer term / good quality traffic to be gained from smaller ll's. 4/. There are also many niche specific ll's, they can really help with se rankings (excellent link relevance) - unless you only build for one niche, or use a different set of recips for every free site or left out one of the 'bigger' recips each time - you would miss those. I also agree that - for Doc - the 1st option is better - & your folder names could also be the 'changed' keywords you targetted when you altered that entry page (I'm not sure it helps overmuch but I think it will add a little relevance to the incoming links). For ll's that insist all pages be within one folder you just have to decide whether they're worthy of being on your 'original index' - or forget 'em. ...sorry about the monster post __________________ ChristyB I have a little spot I like to show to adult webmasters Feeling submissive? Submit your free sites to my directory