Is this ethical to put your tgp archive behind an avs? - Page 2

GeorgeTH · 2005-05-04, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

MMM AVS as it use to be a way to pre-qualify your traffic it would be a great idea all you would be doing is allowing only surfers who have a cc to see it but that was in the older model nowadays who knows

Yep = I did it on 3xSeries.com back in 1999, and the guy who bought it from me continued doing so for several years...

Though, I used to pep it up a little: not only archived submissions, but also the best of my "Galleries of The Week" (I used to have one series gallery on the top of my TGP, fresh content with clean images and little advertising, old ones went into the AVS archive), and then to get these series images in higher resolution (which I didn't publish for free) you had to upgrade to premium AVS (my own upsell) - that worked well back then, but [quote MrMaryLou] "nowadays who knows"

Tommy · 2005-05-05, 10:33 AM

Back in the day I use to have like 100 avs entrances for Tommys Bookmarks

15 to 20 hits a day of good traffic for each doorway

of course today it isnt like that but...

ronnie · 2005-05-05, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Back in the day I use to have like 100 avs entrances for Tommys Bookmarks

15 to 20 hits a day of good traffic for each doorway

of course today it isnt like that but...

Use to be able to do alot with AVS's, you cant do or dont work any more. Alot of the traffic sure dried up.

ronnie

Northeu · 2005-05-06, 01:48 PM

I claim: Any sponsor who do not want their free content used behind a password in a avs site don't know how to make money.

And like Tommy said - I would never have asked because I could never imagine that a sponsor didn't want that to happen.

I started with AVS 3 years back when Jeff from Karups adviced me to use content from karupspc in avs sites as its the best traffic. Today the traffic quality from avs is still good compared to all other free places eventhough the avs companies are fewer.
Traffic is low but it converts. I found 3 good avs and thats fine.

Toby · 2005-05-06, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Northeu

...because I could never imagine that a sponsor didn't want that to happen...

Check the terms for this sponsor. AVS are mentioned specifically.

http://www.naughty4cash.com/terms.htm

In fact, I find similar statements within the terms of many of the sponsors I promote, which is what prompted my inital response to this topic.

If you're using purchased content to build the AVS, and only linking banners etc. to the sponsor, that's an entirely different critter. I don't think any sponsors would have issues with that.

digifan · 2005-05-06, 04:44 PM

Good advice and I see your point

I am always checking the tos first and contact the program owners and I am not using their free content except when it is exclusive. It gets over saturated too fast.

Toby · 2005-05-06, 05:17 PM

I promote mostly single girl amateur sites. Using purchased content isn't really an effective option in that case.

I have been thinking about building some galleries and free sites with purchased content and sending the traffic to my "hub site", where I have categorized sponsor galleries.

Northeu · 2005-05-06, 05:24 PM

Toby, I am a bit surpriced I admit. I never thought any sponsor would have an attitude like that. So the sponsor do not care their content is seen over and over again on TGP's but on sites where members have proved to have a CC and have proved to be willing to pay for porn, they do not want traffic? Its a bit strange but so be it.
For niche sites its easier to sell a site when You show some of the stuff for that site. Ex. If You sell Max Hardcore its easier with moviesamples and pics showing some of his extreme stuff.
And if You sell a facial gangbang site like cum on her face its easier to sell it by using cum on her face content and I have no doubt that these big sites and many many others accept their content used on avs sites.

Torn Rose · 2005-05-06, 05:49 PM

Northeu

It's a different world when it is you, your wife, husband, whoever is the one in the pics.

When you pay a model or buy content you see it as just content. But when it's your life in those pictures you see it as your life and want total control over it, and want to make sure you are not being represented in ways where it’s you who is looking bad.

Now I answered at first without fully thinking it out, and the more I thought of it the more open to the idea I am, but I think I would still be leery of it, (if I did not know the person using it) since I can not see how the content is being used.

What good is that sale to me when the customer could be subjected to false advertisement, installers or whatever else that could happen and wants to charge back? Who is he going to blame, some site with 100’s of other sites or the site he joined expecting one thing and getting another?

digifan · 2005-05-06, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Torn

Northeu

It's a different world when it is you, your wife, husband, whoever is the one in the pics.

When you pay a model or buy content you see it as just content. But when it's your life in those pictures you see it as your life and want total control over it, and want to make sure you are not being represented in ways where it’s you who is looking bad.

Now I answered at first without fully thinking it out, and the more I thought of it the more open to the idea I am, but I think I would still be leery of it, (if I did not know the person using it) since I can not see how the content is being used.

What good is that sale to me when the customer could be subjected to false advertisement, installers or whatever else that could happen and wants to charge back? Who is he going to blame, some site with 100’s of other sites or the site he joined expecting one thing and getting another?

I appreciate your comment about your wife, relative etc. promoted properly.

But you cannot meet each and and every webmaster... and if it is an avs you can always ask for a U/P to see how the content is promoted or buy one and check it out yourself anytime without a warning. By some site with 100's of other sites you mean the avs, correct?

Now if a tgp archive is behind the avs, it is listing tgp galleries promoting sponsors and upsells and I have no idea why a tgp gallery sale would end in a chargeback?

You can get exploits, installers anytime without joining an avs... here is just one example, all this problem caused by a hitbotter recently.
http://www.webhelper4u.com/CWS/cwshotoffers41105.html

MrMaryLou · 2005-05-06, 07:39 PM

The tgp archive behind an avs is a good theory but in todays market you would be hard pressed to find an avs (for lack of a better term since avs as is was is dead) that would even let you even use them

Tommy · 2005-05-06, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Torn

What good is that sale to me when the customer could be subjected to false advertisement, installers or whatever else that could happen and wants to charge back? Who is he going to blame, some site with 100’s of other sites or the site he joined expecting one thing and getting another?

I dont wanna seem like I am picking on you but....

does that mean if I have an avs or a paysite
I cant even run your banners inside it ??

no text links .. nothin

digifan · 2005-05-06, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

The tgp archive behind an avs is a good theory but in todays market you would be hard pressed to find an avs (for lack of a better term since avs as is was is dead) that would even let you even use them

My case is special then, I was invited by the owner of the avs to do it... actually it was his idea.

Torn Rose · 2005-05-06, 09:17 PM

I never said that Tommy and I also do not feel like I am being picked on.

What I was referring to is, using my content, what is going to stop someone from advertising that she takes 2 dicks in her ass and does ATM, (which she doesn’t do), I’ve seen a site advertise her as that and I had it stopped.

Speaking as someone whose wife is the content as well as being in the content myself; I think you are going to be far more protective of how your content is used when it’s your life in those pictures and not just “a job”, and knowing that it is not always about the money.

If it is my hosted galleries I have no issue with it being used, but hosted galleries were never mentioned so I am referring to downloaded content. If some “unknown” wrote me asking me for content so he can put it behind a AVS I am going to have to think about it for a while to see what is in my best interest, which isn’t always the $.

digifan · 2005-05-06, 09:21 PM

And they have no probs at all... I just referred him a friend who had the content but not enough money to start a pay site and pay the $750 or 700 to Visa and with only a few hard link trades, without any significant traffic the guy made 49 sales in his first period.

Useless · 2005-05-06, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by digifan

My case is special then, I was invited by the owner of the avs to do it... actually it was his idea.

Let me guess, the word dog is in his name...

digifan · 2005-05-06, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Let me guess, the word dog is in his name...

I am a dog person UW

Gotta get some sleep, I am up for 36 hr again sorry and my eyes are blinking and running.

bret · 2005-05-10, 02:01 PM

i think it's a great idea. if you have alot of bookmakers i bet the conversion on the AVS will be really good. as long as you make the sponsors money, they wont complain. as long as everyone is making money, everyone is happy. a good way to filter your traffic, i say go for it.

2005-05-05, 10:33 AM	#27
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2005-05-06, 04:44 PM	#31
digifan ...and since we know an end will come it makes our living so much fun Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In your dreams, baby Posts: 3,835	Good advice and I see your point I am always checking the tos first and contact the program owners and I am not using their free content except when it is exclusive. It gets over saturated too fast. __________________ Webair Rocks

2005-05-06, 05:17 PM	#32
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	I promote mostly single girl amateur sites. Using purchased content isn't really an effective option in that case. I have been thinking about building some galleries and free sites with purchased content and sending the traffic to my "hub site", where I have categorized sponsor galleries. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2005-05-06, 07:39 PM	#36
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2005-05-06, 09:21 PM	#40
digifan ...and since we know an end will come it makes our living so much fun Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In your dreams, baby Posts: 3,835	And they have no probs at all... I just referred him a friend who had the content but not enough money to start a pay site and pay the $750 or 700 to Visa and with only a few hard link trades, without any significant traffic the guy made 49 sales in his first period. __________________ Webair Rocks

2005-05-06, 01:48 PM	#29
Northeu If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 36	I claim: Any sponsor who do not want their free content used behind a password in a avs site don't know how to make money. And like Tommy said - I would never have asked because I could never imagine that a sponsor didn't want that to happen. I started with AVS 3 years back when Jeff from Karups adviced me to use content from karupspc in avs sites as its the best traffic. Today the traffic quality from avs is still good compared to all other free places eventhough the avs companies are fewer. Traffic is low but it converts. I found 3 good avs and thats fine.

2005-05-06, 05:24 PM	#33
Northeu If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 36	Toby, I am a bit surpriced I admit. I never thought any sponsor would have an attitude like that. So the sponsor do not care their content is seen over and over again on TGP's but on sites where members have proved to have a CC and have proved to be willing to pay for porn, they do not want traffic? Its a bit strange but so be it. For niche sites its easier to sell a site when You show some of the stuff for that site. Ex. If You sell Max Hardcore its easier with moviesamples and pics showing some of his extreme stuff. And if You sell a facial gangbang site like cum on her face its easier to sell it by using cum on her face content and I have no doubt that these big sites and many many others accept their content used on avs sites.

2005-05-06, 05:49 PM	#34
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Northeu It's a different world when it is you, your wife, husband, whoever is the one in the pics. When you pay a model or buy content you see it as just content. But when it's your life in those pictures you see it as your life and want total control over it, and want to make sure you are not being represented in ways where it’s you who is looking bad. Now I answered at first without fully thinking it out, and the more I thought of it the more open to the idea I am, but I think I would still be leery of it, (if I did not know the person using it) since I can not see how the content is being used. What good is that sale to me when the customer could be subjected to false advertisement, installers or whatever else that could happen and wants to charge back? Who is he going to blame, some site with 100’s of other sites or the site he joined expecting one thing and getting another?

2005-05-06, 09:17 PM	#39
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	I never said that Tommy and I also do not feel like I am being picked on. What I was referring to is, using my content, what is going to stop someone from advertising that she takes 2 dicks in her ass and does ATM, (which she doesn’t do), I’ve seen a site advertise her as that and I had it stopped. Speaking as someone whose wife is the content as well as being in the content myself; I think you are going to be far more protective of how your content is used when it’s your life in those pictures and not just “a job”, and knowing that it is not always about the money. If it is my hosted galleries I have no issue with it being used, but hosted galleries were never mentioned so I am referring to downloaded content. If some “unknown” wrote me asking me for content so he can put it behind a AVS I am going to have to think about it for a while to see what is in my best interest, which isn’t always the $.

2005-05-10, 02:01 PM	#43
bret Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 110	i think it's a great idea. if you have alot of bookmakers i bet the conversion on the AVS will be really good. as long as you make the sponsors money, they wont complain. as long as everyone is making money, everyone is happy. a good way to filter your traffic, i say go for it.