Building a relationship with reviewers

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

Damn, first both GG&J were acting sorta "sweet" on the boards around the Holidays, and now Useless sounds reasonable. Damn what's happening here?

No worries Meat...just relax and go to sleep...that's it...nice and relaxed...don't even give that pod behind your chair a second thought

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

Damn, first both GG&J were acting sorta "sweet" on the boards around the Holidays, and now Useless sounds reasonable. Damn what's happening here?

Yes, everything is just fine. Have some more Kool-Aid

[Jel]

I think there is a "nice peoples syndicate" jumping in and being all warm and fuzzy to people.

[Mattinblack]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

WELL SAID, UW! It seems like there's a free site factory somewhere churning out this stuff every day
Ponygirl

Yeah you are right. Somebody emailed me when I first re-entered adult a few months ago offering me a PC based program where you throw pictures, text, links, a recip table and sponsor code into a set of niched directories and out pops as many different (randomised!~) free sites as you like plus a tgp linking to all of em as well. My guess was that the output would be 100% crap so I never sent him his 49.99.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So if you get a rejection notice - ask. After you ignore a few rejections, it becomes so much easier to just blacklist you. No one wants that. Well, Earl wants to blacklist you, but that's only because you hurt his feelings. You bastard.

Very nice post. The sad thing is that a lot of people do not even bother to read the rejection notice which I do not understand.

What you say about rejection notices and having help is very much true from what I see here. Most of the LL owners have gone out of their way to help people. Some have even started entire forums for that. It really is a valuable resource to have. These days it is rare to even have sponsors this accessable.

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by MrYum

No worries Meat...just relax and go to sleep...that's it...nice and relaxed...don't even give that pod behind your chair a second thought

A naked Brooke Adams
Damn she was yummy in her day

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Yes, everything is just fine. Have some more Kool-Aid

Sunshine and Haze were my favs, tho the electri kool ade did do the trick too |egg|

[dareutwo]

Neither Jays or Marks sends out rejections - Unless I know you... hint, post here.
If I see your name in posts, newbie or not, I'll send an email.
A couple of you in this thread got them today

I think the pros and cons have already been covered. But time management is really key.

20 submits to the same category day after day doesn't work.
If you're going to become a webmaster, become a webmaster! notice the "Master" part.
Move outside your boundaries, (or the first sponsor you hooked up with that has free content).
This is a business, enough said.

Buy some content, get a good host, and things will improve for you dramatically!!!
(Ie, same sponsor being promoted - but Without sponsor content - Who gets listed first?)
Submitters have to remember that not only do we run LL's, but many also run tgps, or other stuff. Nearly all of us make our own free sites and pages and most of the time we use the sponsor content there. So by the time you submit, we already have it posted.

On average I only get 3-5 emails per week on why they weren't listed, and I answer them all. Like UW said, get to know the reviewer.
I'd said for the most part we're gatekeepers, but it's not like we don't have a clue.

Nice post UW!

I am accessible, just ask (ok, ask nicely)

[Useless]

Excellent addition, Mark. Very well said.

[KG Gary]

Great post UW, and another great thread. It's encouraging to see professionalism shining through.
Looking forward to starting my freesite submittals very soon and seeing if I've absorbed and implemented all of the advice I've received on GG&J.

[MrYum]

Yup, unlike a few other threads recently...THIS thread is what makes GG&J the definitive resource site for link lists/free sites

Knowing who you're working with on the other side of the keyboard is a huge benefit to us all. Just this morning, I got a pm from one of my submitters telling me my site was down. I already knew it was down as we're upgrading the script, but found it very cool to get a message from a submitter to let me know

Meat...yes indeed she was!

[Al51ex]

As a newbie of 3 to 4 months and with all this info about reviewing sites and checking them for compliance with rules.
Does anyone have an idea why I was blacklisted after 2 months of being listed (I unwittingly had a counter, since removed) a rejection email in the first instance would have set me straight from day 1.

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Al51ex

...Does anyone have an idea why I was blacklisted after 2 months of being listed (I unwittingly had a counter, since removed) a rejection email in the first instance would have set me straight from day 1.

From one of the two threads you started about being blacklisted.

http://greenguysboard.com/board/show...43&postcount=2

http://greenguysboard.com/board/show...43&postcount=7

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Preacher

I feel that bears repeating.

But again, 90%+ submitters to my site set my notification's to off, so either they can't figure out to click the button that says set it to on or they don't care to hear why the sites been rejected.

And as a couple of builder's out there know, if they build good honest free sites and make a mistake, most of the time I'll email them to ask them to change the bad link or whatnot and leave it in pending rather then reject it outright.

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.
Now for me when I get a rejection (not many but there are a few) I have to be worried about asking why on this board. Here's my take on it. I submit a site to 20 LL, I get listed on a few with in the first day or so. Next day I get a rejection. I don't think it's wise for me to advertise that someone rejected me before I get all my mails back or at least run through my checks to see out of the 20 which ones have listed me. I do not want to give any other LL owner ideas from someone else. I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving? Just my toughts, 1 or 2 rejections is worth forgetting about. I email back the WM and ask what the issue is and then go an fix it. But honestly I dont think it's to smart to advertise you are not getting listed for a few sites. Now if you are constantly being rejected by everyone then you need to post and find out what you are doing wrong.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.
Now for me when I get a rejection (not many but there are a few) I have to be worried about asking why on this board. Here's my take on it. I submit a site to 20 LL, I get listed on a few with in the first day or so. Next day I get a rejection. I don't think it's wise for me to advertise that someone rejected me before I get all my mails back or at least run through my checks to see out of the 20 which ones have listed me. I do not want to give any other LL owner ideas from someone else. I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving? Just my toughts, 1 or 2 rejections is worth forgetting about. I email back the WM and ask what the issue is and then go an fix it. But honestly I dont think it's to smart to advertise you are not getting listed for a few sites. Now if you are constantly being rejected by everyone then you need to post and find out what you are doing wrong.

I think you're being a bit paranoid here Jugg

Using GG as an example, he lists some sites that I don't, I list some sites that he doesn't. We've got different rules and standards on some things...so although it's entirely possible (and common) for submitters to build free sites that pretty much everyone will list, there are exceptions to that too. For example, GG won't list anything with vid caps. I will list sites with HIGH QUALITY vid caps, but they've got to be good enough to be above my personal standards

Personally, I rarely read the "why wasn't this listed" threads except for my own, and I know quite a few others do the same thing. I trust in my own judgement while reviewing, so I don't second guess myself just because someone else declines a site

[Useless]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving?

Now, if someone asks why they are blacklisted at the big sites, I do take a look just to see if it's something I blacklist for. But I'm like MadMax in that I don't usually read all that many rejection threads for other lists. Even when I do, I don't often see the same things that the other reviewers do. We all catch different things. If someone gets snagged by another reviewer for having 4 links out on gallery 2, do you think I'm really going to take my time to go back and delete their site? Hell no. Smart submitters will fix the issue that caused the decline anyway.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I think you're being a bit paranoid here Jugg

I would be inclined to agree. There is human nature to think that what he describes does happen, and indeed it probably does;very rarely. In actuality the different Linklist often have rules that which vary considerably. Especially in regards to questions such as "what is a blindlink?" or "What are the content requirements?". Everyone has their own opinion on these things and so they run things accordingly.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Now, if someone asks why they are blacklisted at the big sites, I do take a look just to see if it's something I blacklist for. But I'm like MadMax in that I don't usually read all that many rejection threads for other lists. Even when I do, I don't often see the same things that the other reviewers do. We all catch different things. If someone gets snagged by another reviewer for having 4 links out on gallery 2, do you think I'm really going to take my time to go back and delete their site? Hell no. Smart submitters will fix the issue that caused the decline anyway.

This is absolutely true

I almost never look at other sites decline threads. And even if I do happen to notice that one of my submitters has been declined elsewhere...it makes no difference to me unless the submitter has gone over to the dark side.

Besides, posting site rejection questions in the forums helps everyone in the long run. Smart submitters learn from the mistakes of others and get sites listed more consistently and link lists get cleaner reviews. Ahhh...there's that symbiotic thing again

[Al51ex]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

From one of the two threads you started about being blacklisted.

http://greenguysboard.com/board/show...43&postcount=2

http://greenguysboard.com/board/show...43&postcount=7

Thanks Chopsmith
Thats fine I have checked those and appealed accordingly.
My question is...........
If the sites are so closely reviewed, why was I able to to get listed for two months and then blacklisted when someone noticed I had a counter?
It would have been easier to reject my first site and set me straight.
Al51ex

[Surfn]

I normally only look at decline threads when I see one of my partners name. Or the name of known cheater just see them get caught...again

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Al51ex

If the sites are so closely reviewed, why was I able to to get listed for two months and then blacklisted when someone noticed I had a counter?
It would have been easier to reject my first site and set me straight.
Al51ex

It would have been a lot easier if you would have read the rules first, then you wouldn't have been blacklisted, and then you wouldn't be repeatedly bitching about how YOU fucked up and got blacklisted. What do ya think?

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I will honestly say out of all the LL I submit to I love your account section the best. It provides me with more then enough info about my submitted sites and their status. Just a sweet script you have there.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I mean if someone comes here and asks GG why they did not get listed an he puts up his answer. How many LL owners go back and check their site for that persons submit and how many don't take the next submit from that person or look way to hard at the page before approving?

Perfect example. Cleo --if I recall correctly -- & I both said we'd love to see you submit sites to our webcam directories with webcam screenshots. Greenguy not accepting that kind of content is not going to change my opinion that those make for excellent free-sites for advertising your webcam sites, and I'll list those till the cows come home.

Again, this goes back to the premise of this whole thread...it's about relationships. You asked first, and got our advice and input and we've even traded messages about your free-sites going down temporarily. You're a perfect example of creating relationships and how they are beneficial to both parties.

[Al51ex]

Thanks useless warrior,
Thats cool, not bitching. I already acknowledged my mistake just asking those those questions as a newbie on the learning curve.
The more I know the better I get and as they say the only stupid question is that which goes unasked.

[Beaver Bob]

i think its very cool of reviewers to take the time to send rejection emails. i like to know when i fuck up so i dont do it again

[theboyzlist]

Originally Posted by NetGoonie

Very good UW...

I know for us we send out emails. I also make sure that in the rejection email that if they feel this was in error, I encourage them to reply back with the question. Reason for this is that I know sometimes rejecting or deleting a site submission when you meant to do another can sometimes be a mistake.

One thing I got back on track with now (as of recently), is to send a quick email off to the submitter that if there is something wrong and its something that can be fixed, I will provide a solution. Once done I get them to reply back and then we do a 2nd review.

I think it is important to let the submitter know whether or not they got accepted. I know if I was one, I would want to know if I got in or not so I can move on without going days, weeks, or months wondering "did I" or "didn't I not get accepted" ....if I had recip banners in my sites and didn't know if i was accepted or not, I would be pissed knowing I have been sending traffic to them. At least an email notification by a LL or directory would allow me to know which recip to remove off that site.

I do know though that its all a two way relationship to make it all work. LL's would not be in business if it wasn't for submitters; likewise, submitters would not be doing too well either without them. It really is a business and it is an ongoing learning experience for "everyone" regardless how experienced someone is.

Anyways....its mocha time for me

TO TRUE

Why Netgoonie, you always know how to, erm, get down to it

Iv had an LL last week (no names) who iv heard nothing off, and im not listed ? And i was told they were one of the "big guys"

Who knows, maybe they lost their MoJo |shocking|