Jays XXX Links Stats - 2005 / 2006 (9/2005 - Present)

[xxxjay]

Sorry, it has taken me forever to update my stats. However, this does provide a good 6 month+ sample of data, so all of the programs listed got a decent amount of traffic and there are no "flukes":

http://jays-xxx-links.com/links/webmasters.html

Feel free to leave you questions and commnets. I will respond in this thread.

[Useless]

Noticed that you don't list Epic or PornKings in your stats.

[Greenguy]

A list of which ones are revshare & which are PPS would be helpful.


Are the "BEST RETAINING / REBILLING REVSHARE" listings ranked on the total rebills or the number of trials that rebilled at least once?


Are all the totals for the last 9 months or are some longer/shorter time frames?


You don't seriously think that Perfect Gonzo is the ONLY program on that list that doesn't publish's 1st page hits?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

...Feel free to leave you questions and commnets. I will respond in this thread.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

A list of which ones are revshare & which are PPS would be helpful.


Are the "BEST RETAINING / REBILLING REVSHARE" listings ranked on the total rebills or the number of trials that rebilled at least once?


Are all the totals for the last 9 months or are some longer/shorter time frames?


You don't seriously think that Perfect Gonzo is the ONLY program on that list that doesn't publish's 1st page hits?

1. On all of the programs that a revshare only...obviously, I go with Revshare. On some like Bangbros, Nastydollars and Hodough -- I like to blend...send half the traffic PPS and the rest revshare. It make for a nice effect. AFF, Triple X Cash, Joins right now -- revshare only. I can get more specific if anyone else has more questions.

2. On "BEST RETAINING / REBILLING REVSHARE" -- it includes both. I took the total amout of income, divided my the number of signups and factored in the # of months so I had an average number to work with.

3. "Are all the totals for the last 9 months or are some longer/shorter time frames?" = Last 9 months.

4. "You don't seriously think that Perfect Gonzo is the ONLY program on that list that doesn't publish's 1st page hits?" = No. I just think they abuse the numbers the worst. I know there are others. I was supposed to have some stats software that would detect and equalize those ratios, but there were some coding bugs, so I had to release the stats just on the info I was getting from them. Next time, I should have it.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Noticed that you don't list Epic or PornKings in your stats.

That's becasue I don't promote them.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

1. On all of the programs that a revshare only...obviously, I go with Revshare. On some like Bangbros, Nastydollars and Hodough -- I like to blend...send half the traffic PPS and the rest revshare. It make for a nice effect. AFF, Triple X Cash, Joins right now -- revshare only. I can get more specific if anyone else has more questions....

Don't you think it's a bit useless to mix the 2? Revshare, especially those with trials, will give you a much lower $/click total. Ranking them along side of PPS programs is useless, but then you throw in the PPS/Revshare mix on some of them & the totals become completely useless. Plus, if it's a revshare program that does not have trials, the conversion rations will be much higher then those that do have a trial & thus, they should not be ranked together. At the very least, post the PPS numbers by themselves & then post the revshare numbers in a different column.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

2. On "BEST RETAINING / REBILLING REVSHARE" -- it includes both. I took the total amout of income, divided my the number of signups and factored in the # of months so I had an average number to work with...

I don't know what that means Can you give me an example of the formula using fake numbers?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

3. "Are all the totals for the last 9 months or are some longer/shorter time frames?" = Last 9 months.

How'd you come up with the numbers for Pussy Cash? I ask because I have Adam send me spread sheets since their admin is not very helpful for running stat totals. You can do it, but you'd have to go in & click each pay period & then click each program & get the totals & then add them up yourself & that's take the better part of a day to do it for 9 months (if anyone doesn't believe me, go find an old pay period & total up your clicks, sales & money and time how long it takes, then multiple that by 18)

There was another one that I found last week when I posted that only gave you the last 3 months (like Flash Cash used to do) but their name escapes me

Originally Posted by xxxjay

4. "You don't seriously think that Perfect Gonzo is the ONLY program on that list that doesn't publish's 1st page hits?" = No. I just think they abuse the numbers the worst. I know there are others. I was supposed to have some stats software that would detect and equalize those ratios, but there were some coding bugs, so I had to release the stats just on the info I was getting from them. Next time, I should have it.

So your list is useless? I mean, you can't compare totals for 1st page & 2nd page clicks like you have them sorted. You might as well just put them in a random or alphabetical order.

And how can you say that Perfect Gonzo is a "good program" if you think their number are off & thus, you have no idea what your ratios & per click numbers are?

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Don't you think it's a bit useless to mix the 2? Revshare, especially those with trials, will give you a much lower $/click total. Ranking them along side of PPS programs is useless, but then you throw in the PPS/Revshare mix on some of them & the totals become completely useless. Plus, if it's a revshare program that does not have trials, the conversion rations will be much higher then those that do have a trial & thus, they should not be ranked together. At the very least, post the PPS numbers by themselves & then post the revshare numbers in a different column.

First, you do a lot better and more thorough job on your stats than I. As far as the mixing goes, I think it is a totally smart thing to do in some instances. Take a program like Bangbros that has ome older sites with a shit-ton of episodes. I find those work out better Revshare ON THE OLDER SITES with more content...there is so much there the people stay forever. For the newer Bangbros sites I just run with the PPS becasue they doon't have a good of a retention. When the two are "blended" it makes for some nice sized checks showing up.

I would love to have the time to break down everything as you said, but these stats are not the bible. If you are submitting free sites to me...they are of use to webmasters becasue they know what is converting. I wish revstats still worked so I could drill down to single sites more than Statsremote does.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I don't know what that means Can you give me an example of the formula using fake numbers?

Ok, say with moneycashmegabankmoneybucksbing I did 30 sales over a nine month period. Say 15 were 5$ trials and didn't rebill (37.50)$. That would be $37.50 on those initials. Then say 15 went to full joins ($225) and then of those 15 that 10 went to retain for an average of 3 months ($15 x 3 x 10 = $450). So we have $37.50 off the batch of crappy trial hoppers, $225 from the initials, and $450 from the rebills for a total of base number of $712.5....then you divide that by the number of initials (30) and you arrive at $23.75. Then you divide the $23.75 by the number of hits it took to make that sale and you have a value per click. So, in this case you would be better off taking a PPS for $30 if everything converted the same, but say that the revshare coverted 50% well as the PPS (mind you, this is all hypothical)...then you would make $35.62 on the same number of outgoing hits. The conversion ratio factors heavily into this.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

How'd you come up with the numbers for Pussy Cash? I ask because I have Adam send me spread sheets since their admin is not very helpful for running stat totals. You can do it, but you'd have to go in & click each pay period & then click each program & get the totals & then add them up yourself & that's take the better part of a day to do it for 9 months (if anyone doesn't believe me, go find an old pay period & total up your clicks, sales & money and time how long it takes, then multiple that by 18)

I used statsremote to figure that one out. I will have to investigate further. Thanks for the 411.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

So your list is useless? I mean, you can't compare totals for 1st page & 2nd page clicks like you have them sorted. You might as well just put them in a random or alphabetical order.

If my list is useless, it is no more useless than yours, hoes.com, onprobation or anyone else that post stats. Yes, I have taken time to try to factor these things, but it is not as simple as "this guy counts first" and "this guy counts second", some programs don't show hits from counrties they can't bill for, so programs don't display hits from certians IPs ect, some programs just plain shave...I could make a career out of just studying that shit if I wanted, but I'd rather not.

I am in beta with some new software (Captianstats) that is a desk based program that can equalize the numbers automaticly based on what is known about the programs hit counting (and no, it isn't my software) -- there were still bugs in it when I published these stats, so I couldn't use it. Anyone can hit me up if they want to try a beta copy (it's free) - I'll put you in touch with the guys that are coding it.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

And how can you say that Perfect Gonzo is a "good program" if you think their number are off & thus, you have no idea what your ratios & per click numbers are?

I make sales. Checks show up. I know the numbers are badly skewed, but it's the money that matters at the end of the day.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

First, you do a lot better and more thorough job on your stats than I. As far as the mixing goes, I think it is a totally smart thing to do in some instances. Take a program like Bangbros that has ome older sites with a shit-ton of episodes. I find those work out better Revshare ON THE OLDER SITES with more content...there is so much there the people stay forever. For the newer Bangbros sites I just run with the PPS becasue they doon't have a good of a retention. When the two are "blended" it makes for some nice sized checks showing up.

I would love to have the time to break down everything as you said, but these stats are not the bible. If you are submitting free sites to me...they are of use to webmasters becasue they know what is converting. I wish revstats still worked so I could drill down to single sites more than Statsremote does....

Bang Bros stats interface is HORRIBLE for anyone that's looking at their stats & wondering what their per click numbers are because you can't separate the PPS totals from the revshare totals. I'm probably going to leave them off any upcoming stats runs that I do because of this. But can you see how even just one trial sale for $2.47 would throw off your per click numbers?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Ok, say with moneycashmegabankmoneybucksbing I did 30 sales over a nine month period. Say 15 were 5$ trials and didn't rebill (37.50)$. That would be $37.50 on those initials. Then say 15 went to full joins ($225) and then of those 15 that 10 went to retain for an average of 3 months ($15 x 3 x 10 = $450). So we have $37.50 off the batch of crappy trial hoppers, $225 from the initials, and $450 from the rebills for a total of base number of $712.5....then you divide that by the number of initials (30) and you arrive at $23.75. Then you divide the $23.75 by the number of hits it took to make that sale and you have a value per click. So, in this case you would be better off taking a PPS for $30 if everything converted the same, but say that the revshare coverted 50% well as the PPS (mind you, this is all hypothical)...then you would make $35.62 on the same number of outgoing hits. The conversion ratio factors heavily into this....

Ok - now that makes sense! You threw me with the "...and factored in the # of months so I had an average number to work with..." statement since you didn't say how the months were factored in. This makes complete sense

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I used statsremote to figure that one out. I will have to investigate further. Thanks for the 411.

That would make sense. I don't use a stats program anymore, but I assume that State Remote does keep the totals for the previous month so I apologize for this comment.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

If my list is useless, it is no more useless than yours, hoes.com, onprobation or anyone else that post stats.

Aside from the 1st few months back in 2002, I have tried my best to not mix & match the PPS & revshare totals (1st revshare totals that I've posted in the last 4 years came out last month)

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Yes, I have taken time to try to factor these things, but it is not as simple as "this guy counts first" and "this guy counts second", some programs don't show hits from counrties they can't bill for, so programs don't display hits from certians IPs ect, some programs just plain shave...I could make a career out of just studying that shit if I wanted, but I'd rather not.

I agree it's not an exact science, but you know that some of those programs count 1st & some of them count 2nd & you can easily sort them out that way instead of ranking them by the per click totals which are off because they are not based on the same factors. A 2nd page program might come in at 8 cents a click & a 1st page program comes in a 5 cents, but if the 1st page clicks were known for the 2nd page program, they might be at 3 or 4 cents a click & thus, worse than the 5 cent 1st page program. Make sense?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I am in beta with some new software (Captianstats) that is a desk based program that can equalize the numbers automaticly based on what is known about the programs hit counting (and no, it isn't my software) -- there were still bugs in it when I published these stats, so I couldn't use it. Anyone can hit me up if they want to try a beta copy (it's free) - I'll put you in touch with the guys that are coding it.

Of course I'm interested in something like that

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I make sales. Checks show up. I know the numbers are badly skewed, but it's the money that matters at the end of the day.

The just post everyone in alphabetical order so that you're not leading people to believe that the ranking are accurate - that's really all I'm saying in this

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Bang Bros stats interface is HORRIBLE for anyone that's looking at their stats & wondering what their per click numbers are because you can't separate the PPS totals from the revshare totals. I'm probably going to leave them off any upcoming stats runs that I do because of this. But can you see how even just one trial sale for $2.47 would throw off your per click numbers?

True, their stats are not the best. That's why I opted for the longer time period instead of just one month (9 months)....then I just took the total amout of money in and divided it by the numbers of sales. As far as mixing the rev and the PPS...I can see where tracking it can be a pain, but there is something nice about a nice base of PPS with rebills coming in on top. Then you don't go "dry" on a bad month.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Ok - now that makes sense! You threw me with the "...and factored in the # of months so I had an average number to work with..." statement since you didn't say how the months were factored in. This makes complete sense

Thanks, I should have explained it better the first time. I blame my fear of calculators.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

That would make sense. I don't use a stats program anymore, but I assume that State Remote does keep the totals for the previous month so I apologize for this comment.

I was a bigger fan Revstats. You don't do everything by hand now...do you? That's alot of work.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Aside from the 1st few months back in 2002, I have tried my best to not mix & match the PPS & revshare totals (1st revshare totals that I've posted in the last 4 years came out last month)

That cool. I don't really worry about trials, no trials, revshare, or pps...its mostly about whatever convert and whatever earns...which is all that really matters at the end of the day anyway.

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I agree it's not an exact science, but you know that some of those programs count 1st & some of them count 2nd & you can easily sort them out that way instead of ranking them by the per click totals which are off because they are not based on the same factors. A 2nd page program might come in at 8 cents a click & a 1st page program comes in a 5 cents, but if the 1st page clicks were known for the 2nd page program, they might be at 3 or 4 cents a click & thus, worse than the 5 cent 1st page program. Make sense?

You know...there really should be some kind of regulation of all this shit. Even though I would hate to see the goverment do it. It would be like if you went to the market and bought steak...they don't have 5 different ways of wieghing the thing...they have one. I really hate that programs have to fudge numbers to try to appear better to webmasters. It is deceptive and even when you think you know something about a program...then you find out you really don't.

Of course I'm interested in something like that

I'll keep you in the loop.

The just post everyone in alphabetical order so that you're not leading people to believe that the ranking are accurate - that's really all I'm saying in this

Hoppefully, if this software works like its supposed to...it will eliminate the guesswork and we can all see some real numbers that mean something.

[Greenguy]

..and so ends my bitchfest

(for this stats run - lol )

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

..and so ends my bitchfest

(for this stats run - lol )

LOL - I never considered it a bitch fest.

This thread really sharpened me up on my stats skills and I appreciate the challenge.

There is actually some good info here now. LOL